yea, your right, you dont need an ASE cert to put fart cans on civics but if you plan to do any proffesional work bo one is gonna take you seiously without them and they dont just know the tip they are the ice burg. Now if the oiling system on a 7m is so ingenious then why isnt the 2j's oiling system a cary-over from the 7m, if you knew anything about turbo cars you would know that you cant use a high pressure ssystem because it will blow turbo seals. now if you would like to further argue your point show me some 7m's that make 600hp unopened or 1000hp modified then I'll take you seriously. the superiority of the 2j has been proven over and over again and i'm positive that if you asked toyota's engineers they will tell you that the motor they made 7 years later was better and that they actually worked on design flaws of the 7m in that time they dont get payed fror nothing. and just one last thing and i know its been said over and over again but HONDAS ARE GAY
Why I ditched my 7MGTE and went 2JZ NAT with AEM
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JustAnotherVictim
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all thats been claimed is that its low pressure high volume if i stated otherwise then it was a mistake
89supturbo said:
apparently you missed my other post in the other section.
see 7mpower.com Orian and trent. Those are two that chose to leave there names up even two years after the fact. Bone stock save for turbo
actaully you CAN use high pressure system
you just restrict the flow (Perfect EXAMPLE of Bernoulli's principle at work again!) to the turbo and you are set. See why you use a -04 line to feed the turbo and not a -06 lines.1000 hp modified? Ok apparently you missed Mibrum over in Europe, 1350 hp on a 7m and still climbing
As for professional work, Please, to touch a Porche, Ferrari or any other racing maching, needs training from that particular manufacture, they could care less about the ASE cert.
That is three strikes against you..
as for your last comment, why pray tell did you even spew out that ignorant waste of bandwidth?
JustAnotherVictim
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89supturbo said:
claimed? no man those are facts.
the 7m oiling system has always been high volume low pressure system. From a techincal standpoint it does what it needs to do and that is lubricate.
As to why the change? quite simple really. People are stupid, they see 30 psi in every other car and then go to the 7m supra and then saw below 10psi, OmG iTs g0inG to Bl0WWWww!!!1
Had nothing to do with a techincal aspect, had to do with peoples PERCEPTION.
89supturbo said:
Foreal? Is that why they made oil restrictors for CHRA's ?
I dont need an ''ASE'' to be taken seriously, perhaps you might want to know know what the hell ASE is for. I dont run a maintenance shop and follow state laws.
Kthx.
ok thats one 1000hp plus modded engine but there are 2js that have put out 0ver 1500whp, you still havent come up with one that was unopened and made 600hp which ius all that really matters when comparing engines stock for stock. victim read that post carefully
JustAnotherVictim
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What you insinuated from the way you worded it, is that the 7m is a high pressure system.
That may not be what you meant to put that that's what it says.
That may not be what you meant to put that that's what it says.
you dont neccisarilly need the ASE to be taken seriously but i have to know you or know that you have experience with exactly what it is I'm doing. now YOU need to learn up a bit, its perfectly legal to work on cars without
ASE certifications, what am i supposed to take you seriously based on? the fact that you have a honda or the fact that your friend has a non turbo supra?
ASE certifications, what am i supposed to take you seriously based on? the fact that you have a honda or the fact that your friend has a non turbo supra?
JustAnotherVictim said:
see the word cant there before high pressure, i did no such thing, READ CAREFULLY
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cnewingham
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I know you didnt just say that!! Obviously you have never worked at a dealership or mech. shop where all its techs are ASE certified yet only 5% (if your lucky) know there head from there ass. Certs dont mean shit other than you sat in a class and took a test. Wanna see all my I-car certs? How do you think I got them? Now ask me if I ever worked in a bodyshop. No I havent!
89supturbo said:
Who the fuck are you? Your getting owned and saying complete bullshit and you think you can talk to me about what I have?
Sorry homeboy you cant hang with me, I'm doing things you dont.
your in a supra discussion, prepare to get people questioning your qualifications if you've never worked on a supra
MidShipCivic said:
yeah I read about your KA motor build up
very nice undertaking!
is that a VG motor ?
It's a 4.5L V8 from a Nissan Q45.
I've already worked on an MK3 Supra an engine is an engine.
I'm gonna just go on ahead and call you stupid for messing the thread up.
I've already worked on an MK3 Supra an engine is an engine.
I'm gonna just go on ahead and call you stupid for messing the thread up.
for the record, dana westover (1491 hp) here in vegas is not ase certified, and his supra (2jz of course) has held records for several years. he also built a 7m a few years back. the difference is that his 2jz has years of design and research on his part, plus an 85000 dollar price tag. i dont think that anyone has ever dumped that sum of money into a 7m, who knows why. and who knows the outcome. the reason that there are so many 2j's up there instead of 7m's is that the car that the 2j came in was more popular and generally liked by everyone than the mkiii.
just my .02
just my .02
MmmBoost said:
I know Dana
what people (nor the Rookies) understand is that no matter how you cut it, it takes MONEY and a SHIT load of money to make power RELIABLY! The engine is IRRELEVANT.
Luckily unlike the MKIV guys that had to pay R&D costs to get this going (and that cost quite a bit of money as no company will even pay attention with out greenbacks on the table) we are lucky because it don't take much R&D to get the parts to fit the 1jz or even the 7m for that matter. I should know as I was the one that had to fork over my own money to Get ATI to produce the 7m Harmonic Damper.
I just want you to know that my engine failed because of a THRUST BEARING which killed one of my ROD BEARINGS. It was because of the clutch being too tight IMO and not due to the oil system.
I do think that there is an oil flaw in the 7M. The rate for rodknock is very high compared to other cars. Like I said before, you dont get a bunch of threads about rodknock just because the owners are irresponsible..... You can look at the supply system coming out of the pump and see the restriction.
I was referring to the rods, pistons and oiling system. Not the cast block itself.
figgie said:I know Dana
what people (nor the Rookies) understand is that no matter how you cut it, it takes MONEY and a SHIT load of money to make power RELIABLY! The engine is IRRELEVANT.
Luckily unlike the MKIV guys that had to pay R&D costs to get this going (and that cost quite a bit of money as no company will even pay attention with out greenbacks on the table) we are lucky because it don't take much R&D to get the parts to fit the 1jz or even the 7m for that matter. I should know as I was the one that had to fork over my own money to Get ATI to produce the 7m Harmonic Damper.
Why do you keep referring to me as a rookie? WTF?
The 2JZ is cheaper and SUPERIOR. If you think that the 7M is SUPERIOR to the 2JZ then you are RETARDED