and too bad half the MK3s are rodknocked BHG paper weights?*CryoSlash said:
I'd rather have a 2J NA-T anyday over a 7M.
Why I ditched my 7MGTE and went 2JZ NAT with AEM
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I'd rather have a 2J NA-T anyday over a 7M.
I think this is going to become a popular swap, there are several others working on similar setups.
I can see the 2JZGE and AEM for ~$2000, but the turbo stuff is going to add quite a bit to that. And waht are you doing for a trans?
Why did you post this in 7MGTE tech? There is a whole sub-forum for this stuff.
Glen
I can see the 2JZGE and AEM for ~$2000, but the turbo stuff is going to add quite a bit to that. And waht are you doing for a trans?
Why did you post this in 7MGTE tech? There is a whole sub-forum for this stuff.
Glen
Yes, the turbo stuff will add up, but no more than it would for the 7M. A turbo is a turbo, and the braced manifold was only 170 bucks. Turbo lexus setups can be had for under 200 bucks from ss autochrome and they include the downpipe, intake pipe, mani (unbraced) and wastegate dump tube.
R154 for the transmission with a 1jz bell housing and 1jz clutch.
If I posted in the 2JZ section would you say the same thing? Its about 2jz and 7m so this could go either way. I thought more people would see it here. If you want to ask any technical questions about the 7M in relation to the 2JZ i just put together I can probably answer them - ive rebuilt a few.
R154 for the transmission with a 1jz bell housing and 1jz clutch.
If I posted in the 2JZ section would you say the same thing? Its about 2jz and 7m so this could go either way. I thought more people would see it here. If you want to ask any technical questions about the 7M in relation to the 2JZ i just put together I can probably answer them - ive rebuilt a few.
Sounds like you have everything covered, just wanted to make sure you and everyone reading this knew it was going to be well over $2K to finish.
What 7M specific engine stuff will you have left in the car? Just the CPS, right?
What 7M specific engine stuff will you have left in the car? Just the CPS, right?
Lets look at cost differences - that is, costs that are UNIQUE to each powertrain to make safe for 500+ hp and give both engines similar performance characteristics. These estimates do not include other things like injectors, turbo, manifold, etc because you would have to purchase those for BOTH motors anyway....
Yeah, a 2jz will cost over 2k to finish. But its easy to drop that on a 7m to get a similar built engine and you still wont have an EMS. Look at the following:
7MGTE-----------------
OS valves that will be the similar (but still not as big) to 2JZ valves $500 minimum (if you can fit a good set of 2jz valves in a 7M head) 1500 minimum for a Ferrea valvetrain.
Forged pistons $600 minimum
Stronger rods $400 minimum
Machine work $400 minimum
Higher idle oil pressure and no scored cams - - - Please let me know how much this costs and how to do it......
ARP rod/head bolts - $50
TOTAL - ~2000-3000
2JZGE --------------------------
Good used engine with harness- $400-700
Machine work for resurface - $50
Thick Head gasket - $300
1jz Bell housing and flywheel - $500
BIC motor mounts (if pre 89) - $175
AEM EMS - $1400 shipped (shop around)
TOTAL ~3000 (1500 w/o EMS)
Yeah, a 2jz will cost over 2k to finish. But its easy to drop that on a 7m to get a similar built engine and you still wont have an EMS. Look at the following:
7MGTE-----------------
OS valves that will be the similar (but still not as big) to 2JZ valves $500 minimum (if you can fit a good set of 2jz valves in a 7M head) 1500 minimum for a Ferrea valvetrain.
Forged pistons $600 minimum
Stronger rods $400 minimum
Machine work $400 minimum
Higher idle oil pressure and no scored cams - - - Please let me know how much this costs and how to do it......
ARP rod/head bolts - $50
TOTAL - ~2000-3000
2JZGE --------------------------
Good used engine with harness- $400-700
Machine work for resurface - $50
Thick Head gasket - $300
1jz Bell housing and flywheel - $500
BIC motor mounts (if pre 89) - $175
AEM EMS - $1400 shipped (shop around)
TOTAL ~3000 (1500 w/o EMS)
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MKIIINA said:
I have included a lot of technical reasons as to why the 7M is what I moved away from. I think it is very much about about 7M tech. If you want to get more technical ask some 7M questions.
EDIT: Removed all my jibber jabber about why this belongs in the other section as it got moved while I was typing.
Have you looked at the new AEM F/IC vs. the full EMS? Looks well suited to this type of application.
http://aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=116
Have you looked at the new AEM F/IC vs. the full EMS? Looks well suited to this type of application.
http://aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=116
Good question, haven't heard an answer to that one yet. There is a thread on the AEM forums about it, and I also started threads on SF and clubna-t.
where did you get the EMS for only 1400, and did it include the wideband and o2 sensor options? when they were a bit newer i remeber seeing them closer to that price but nopw it looks like it would cost at least 2k
89supturbo said:
Shop around - SF and there is one person on this forum that you could probably get it from....
Just in case you are wondering how the stock rods hold up, it looks like a GT42 running 35psi and pushing a Ford Probe into the low 9s (yes I know it sounds wierd) finally did it in.
http://www.clubna-t.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2912
http://www.clubna-t.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2912
Those crazy guys from Fargo, I'm sure you already know about Dave's car.
http://www.boostwerx.com/ForSale/
http://www.boostwerx.com/ForSale/
so as far as power goes, everyone feels a 2jz with stock internals and a standalone can perform better than a built 7m with a standalone?
SMP142 said:
Yes - I cant think of one reason why not. I wish I would have had the opportunity to go this route sooner
Keep in mind that only recently have the ebay manifolds become available. Everybody talks trash about them because they are inexpensive. I got one from a guy in Canada- braces included on the runners for under 200 bucks... Cant beat that. It looks very well put together.
The 2jz cams are much beefier, but the basic construction of the head is the same.
Think about all the money people spend on 7ms to make them able to handle 500+ with forged pistons and rods. And compare that to the amount of power people are making with stock 2jz blocks (with valves that are already 1.5mm BIGGER than the 7m valves, stout rods from the factory)