Why does everyone underestimate the MKIII?

[Nick M]

Factory tests put he stock MKIII at .89G on the skidpad and the stock MKIV at .98G, a considerable difference.

However the MKIV is lighter and comes from the factory with considerably wider tires. Also with the MKIV there was more of a focus in the reduction of unsprung weight.

With all that said, comparably equipped MKIII's and MKIV's with the same sized tires on aftermarket rims tend to handle about the same. The primary difference being the weight of the cars.

In other words, you can make both cars handle about the same. If you can trim some of the fat off the MKIII and get it down to MKIV weight, the cars handle almost identically.

Anyone who tells you a MKIII can't handle is ignorant.

Good post. The later 91 and 92's scored better with the Eagle GSD, over the gator back. But then again, it has been a long time, and maybe I don't remember as I think.

Same suspension style. Small differnces in mounting and angles from different chasis. The 93+ is lighter and lower, as posted above. With big sticky tires.

From the sales brochures:

3530 1989 Supra Turbo 5 Speed
3613 1989 Supra Turbo 5 Speed w/ Sport Roof
No weight listed 1997 Supra Turbo 6 Speed
3505 1997 Supra Turbo 6 Speed w/ Sport Roof

My 91 A340, sport roof, SRS, ABS, 7MGTE equiped MA71 weighs 3640. ::w00t::

 

[toyo4life]

Same susension style. Small differnces in mounting and angles from different chasis. The 93+ is lighter and lower, as posted above. With big sticky tires.



Yep 92's had 225's with a tread wear of 240-260 all around.
93's had 235's front 265's rear with a tread wear of 140-160. Guess where alot of that extra grip came from.

 

[toyo4life]

Does the rust on my car make it heavier or lighter?:3d_frown:

 

[BlackMKIII]

MK3s are good for highway runs

THIS

 

[quake]

it's all in how you represent the car is right. People place too much emphasis
on how it looks. If you have a big spoiler and lots of chrome under the hood it must be fast..

Last night i took off my rims and put the stocks back on. Car now has snow tires on it front and back and looks like shit. So i went to get food and on the way home i bump into an evo it has paint, cat back, rims, pillar gauges, it must be fast... :3d_frown: Get moving a bit and he pulls next to me and hits it just as the fun starts red light. I look over and the kid in the passenger seat looks over and motions with his hand not bad. I laugh, the light turns green and i take off easy. Second gear and i hear his turbo spooling the car is quick so i hit it 4200rpm comes and the gate opens (open dump) tires spin a bit and i'm gone.. you should have seen the look on his face.:biglaugh:

 

[Adjuster]

Yep, the 928 was the design target, and they also wanted to beat, or at least equal the vette at the time power wise.

The design chief for the MK3 body actually stated way back in 85 that they over built the body of the car to make sure it was rattle and shake free. (And more crashworthy.) Guess what they were practicing for at that time?

Lexus. This car was the test bed for many things Toyota put into the Lexus models that followed it. (The Silicone filled engine mounts on the 89+ for example. Or the shock/vibration dampening setup the first ones had to fight NVH.) This car was built to be powerful, smooth and quiet.

The competition at the time was also underpowered, and not very refined. (The 928 for example was pretty nice, but heavy as can be. The V8 did not make much more power either IIRC.) I know the vette in 85 and 86 was a dog. Was rated at like 215hp or something really low for a 5.7L motor. (Crossfire injection engine was a true POS.) Heck, when TPI came out, and the Camaro and Vette got it, everyone was happy to see 250hp.

The Supra was rated at 230hp, but with a few simple mods, was a easy 300hp car. (Exhaust, and air cleaner, bump up the boost to 12psi and your there.) HKS and others sold quite a few bolt on mods that made correctly built Supra's pretty fast, but they were pretty rare in the USA. Most MK3's ended up being used for the comfortable daily driver they are. (A prelude to the Lexus SC300 and SC400 that would follow.)

Today, if you have a 450+ rwhp street car, it's not likely that your going to see many others that will be much faster from the roll, but from the stop light, there are plenty of faster cars than the MK3, or MK4 for that matter.



I remember when Cartech was putting out a NA to Turbo mod for this car, and it was somewhere in the 300+ rwhp area... Very fast indeed compared to what someone could go buy a car off the dealer lot and drive around in.

 

[suprageezer]

Heres a good comparison on weights I sold my 68 440 dodge charger it weighed around 3300 lbs, it looked twice as big as my Supra that weighs 200 lbs more, although with totally modified suspension it handled pretty awesome it was no where near what my Supra with a set of goodyear F1's can do. That's why I ended buying a Supra, beside the beef factor it has.

 

[Nick M]

I remember when Cartech was putting out a NA to Turbo mod for this car, and it was somewhere in the 300+ rwhp area... Very fast indeed compared to what someone could go buy a car off the dealer lot and drive around in.

Yep, the Supra and Cressida showed Toyota their plan for a high end luxury car would work.

The Cartech turbo 7MGE ran 13.x@107 acording to one scanned story online.

 

[Ma70.Ent]

Today, if you have a 450+ rwhp street car, it's not likely that your going to see many others that will be much faster from the roll, but from the stop light, there are plenty of faster cars than the MK3, or MK4 for that matter.

Finally someone who agrees with me. Even my N/A feels pretty quick on a roll, just not from a stop. Good power, not so good weight

 

[Datsrboi]

Simple. Put the MKIII on the next fast and furious and it will be famous............ 2JZ no Shiet.

 

[Jaguar]

If you are building your car for the approval or the intimidation of others, you are in the wrong hobby.

These cars are what you make of them. If it's clean and decent looking it will get the respect that you seek. My car, for all intent and purpose is stock, but every comment that I get, is that it must be the fastest thing on two wheels.

Take care of the car instead of trying to be a world-beater, and you will see results. 90% of these cars suck. They are busted, beaten, rusted, and ragged.

Resurrection is a tough, arduous, and expensive task. However, if it's worth it to you, it can be extremely rewarding. Whatever you do, don't do anything to hurt the community and the public's view of these cars.

People like this guy selfinfliction are the ones that give us a bad name. Too broke/lazy/stupid to do it right so they start screaming "sleeper".

that's why my build is the greatest. it's got dents, scratches, faded paint and a badly cracked dash. between the hood and the drivetrain will be about$4000 worth of go faster materials though :biglaugh:

set the expectations low from first sight, then make them feel bad about themselves

:3d_frown:

Sounds like an excuse to have a beater.

:werd:

yeah it's a beater, that's why i have about $1500 in engine parts and machine work in it right now. come see me in another week and i'll be $2500 additional in the hole.

i don't give a crap what this car looks like, it's a sleeper. if i want to "look pretty" i have a $24k supercharged cobalt sitting in the garage i'll take out for a spin.

thanks for playing :biglaugh:

A Cobalt? :biglaugh:

Sleepers dont have to be ugly beaters... A stock looking car that's clean with a lot of power is a sleeper.

A 10 sec rust bucket is still a rust bucket. Doesn't matter how much money is under the hood.

Still sounds like an excuse not to fix the car.

Joe is clicking on all cylinders here.

there's no rust on it

and why would i waste the money on cosmetics? i already said i don't care what it looks like. i have a nice car already, if i wanted a nice looking supra, i would've looked for a nice looking supra.

lastly, i am fixing the car. just not the part that lets me brag about how fast my car looks sitting in the parking lot at walmart

instead it looks right at home in the WalMart parking lot.

 

[IJ.]

No need for name calling.... :nono:

 

[IJ.]

Starts at Tards ends in flames and bullshit that I have to deal with....

 

[donnys90T]

Maybe so but the rest of it sure needed to be said. Especially that part about Walmart

 

[Jaguar]

I edited it.

 

[st2b]

A mustang owner ran his mouth all day about my buddy's 1995 Supra.

We kept telling him he shouldn't race us.

Okay so we end up on I-65, as soon as he floors it we spool, and get him by about 9 car lengths. Supercharged Mustang.

End of story.

Anyone who doubts the Supra needs to open their eyes, the Supra has set MANY world records. Autobahn motorsports ran 228MPH at Texas mile, and became the worlds fastest street car in a mile.

 

[IJ.]

I edited it.

Thanks.

 

[Sawbladz]

I've always been a firm believer in making the car look good before making it fast. The reasoning behind this is that if the car ever breaks (even something small), the car isn't looked upon as worthless. There is motivation to repair the car because you see it as a valuable asset. This includes fixing all rust, dents, paint, missing trim or any other noticeable eyesores.

I don't know about you, but if I had a broken down car that looked like ass sitting in my driveway, I'd be awful tempted to call the junk yard.

 

[Jaguar]

We were talking about the 86.5-92 Supra, not the 1995. Every fan-boy with a DVD player knows what a 93+ Supra is capable of... it's the A70 that lacks respect.

A mustang owner ran his mouth all day about my buddy's 1995 Supra.

We kept telling him he shouldn't race us.

Okay so we end up on I-65, as soon as he floors it we spool, and get him by about 9 car lengths. Supercharged Mustang.

End of story.

Anyone who doubts the Supra needs to open their eyes, the Supra has set MANY world records. Autobahn motorsports ran 228MPH at Texas mile, and became the worlds fastest street car in a mile.

 

[Ma70.Ent]

We were talking about the 86.5-92 Supra, not the 1995. Every fan-boy with a DVD player knows what a 93+ Supra is capable of... it's the A70 that lacks respect.

and with good reason...all of the MKIV owners I see/hear of are "financially healthy" and get very expensive parts and pay professionals to do maintenance. MKIII owners are the exact opposite of MKIV owners. They're cheap, they cut corners, they're broke, and MKIII's are older, in which they tend to look worse cause they've had more time to rot

EDIT: in case anyone doesn't read the post I made after this, these are generalizations and there are some exceptions.