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yea i though drifting was created by useing it in really tight corners that you could slide through faster then you could drive a smooth line through hence the wrc 180 turn where they slide the car.
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rally driving is a totally different subject. While it is similair to drifting, it's also no where near the same. BTW, hot drift video--check out the 360*'s they pull!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGx_QaiikF0&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGx_QaiikF0&NR
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It's just a form of power oversteer. (or rear brake induced slide if you don't have the power or the right vehicle type to induce power oversteer.)
Reminds me of many other sports where power oversteer is used.
Dirt track racing of any type. (Outlaws, sprints and bikes to name just a few.)
WRC on tarmac or dirt/gravel/snow etc.
Supermotard. (Try drifting on a street motorcycle... That's fun for sure... NOT.) It is however very intertaining to watch.
It's cool that D1 and other event "drift" competitions here in the USA have caught on, and are growing, but I doubt that they will surpass NASCAR or INDY type open wheel racing here, or world wide. (Look at F1 for the top use of technology. Same thing with LeMans race cars. Either type of racing has pushed everything to the limits. So much so, that to keep teams competitive, they have to ban things like traction control, steering control and active suspensions. The cars were getting just too fast, and it was based on programming and computer systems, not talent or skill.)
Let's try and see if this can be the last post on this subject....? Just a thought.
Reminds me of many other sports where power oversteer is used.
Dirt track racing of any type. (Outlaws, sprints and bikes to name just a few.)
WRC on tarmac or dirt/gravel/snow etc.
Supermotard. (Try drifting on a street motorcycle... That's fun for sure... NOT.) It is however very intertaining to watch.
It's cool that D1 and other event "drift" competitions here in the USA have caught on, and are growing, but I doubt that they will surpass NASCAR or INDY type open wheel racing here, or world wide. (Look at F1 for the top use of technology. Same thing with LeMans race cars. Either type of racing has pushed everything to the limits. So much so, that to keep teams competitive, they have to ban things like traction control, steering control and active suspensions. The cars were getting just too fast, and it was based on programming and computer systems, not talent or skill.)
Let's try and see if this can be the last post on this subject....? Just a thought.
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Ahh...you want it to be the last post, yet you stir the pot.
Drifting is not merely an oversteer, but the means of controlling said oversteer in a way to impress those who are judging. There are lines to be held, just like in any other form of racing. There is technique, just like in any other form of racing.
Drifting is not merely an oversteer, but the means of controlling said oversteer in a way to impress those who are judging. There are lines to be held, just like in any other form of racing. There is technique, just like in any other form of racing.
everyone has thier own opinion, and if the person you think is inferior i suggest they search on it, maybe on wikipedia.
cruzinbill said:
You seem like the kind of person who likes a underground band because they think they are the only one who knows about them, then when they make it big you say they are a sell out then you hate them even though their music is still good.
Just because it came to the US and became popular does not mean the roots are not still there and that it is not still a cool motor sport that is very fun to watch. I like that real drift cars are tuned at a high level and to be competitive takes a skillful driver and a well rounded car that does everything well. It also takes some major balls to go into a corner sideways at 80mph, they make it look easy!
how so wrc doesnt always race in the dirt and they will slide the car on pavement too i have the game and with it set on pro or whatever if you do no "drift" through every corner you will not win the rally. (yes i do relize its just a game as i drive formula cars myself)Turbo. Targa. Life. said:
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Did not stir the pot.
I just pointed out that this is just yet another form of racing involving power oversteer. (Watch some ice races if you like this, it's very entertaining.)
I think that outlaw dirt track racing has more sliding involved than "D1" anyday. And they are going faster than 90mph in many cases... Ever see a drifter pull a wheelie out of 4 corners in a row at nearly 100mph while sliding sideways? I've seen that in outlaw races, and it's not uncommon. (Very powerful V8 engine, light chassis, and huge wings to keep it all planted on the track at speed.)
The best part of drift competitions is that the cars are all based on stock platforms. It's one of the few race events where that's still the case. Just about every other race format has somewhat stock looking bodies, but total race cars with a tube chassis under it. (And you watch, as "D1" becomes more competitive, it's going to change the setup levels of the winning cars.) The bad part is that means teams with sponsors will become the only ones winning the races (As if that has not already happened...) and the little guy racer will have no hope in winning on talent alone.
Ok, all together now... Last post please? LOL
I just pointed out that this is just yet another form of racing involving power oversteer. (Watch some ice races if you like this, it's very entertaining.)
I think that outlaw dirt track racing has more sliding involved than "D1" anyday. And they are going faster than 90mph in many cases... Ever see a drifter pull a wheelie out of 4 corners in a row at nearly 100mph while sliding sideways? I've seen that in outlaw races, and it's not uncommon. (Very powerful V8 engine, light chassis, and huge wings to keep it all planted on the track at speed.)
The best part of drift competitions is that the cars are all based on stock platforms. It's one of the few race events where that's still the case. Just about every other race format has somewhat stock looking bodies, but total race cars with a tube chassis under it. (And you watch, as "D1" becomes more competitive, it's going to change the setup levels of the winning cars.) The bad part is that means teams with sponsors will become the only ones winning the races (As if that has not already happened...) and the little guy racer will have no hope in winning on talent alone.
Ok, all together now... Last post please? LOL
wow. so i posted this and forgot about it...
anywho.....
drifting is just like any other thing that undergoes a sudden jolt in media attention, in that there are all the new people getting into it for the first time who act like they've been into it before it got big, and the old timers who resent EVERYTHING.
first off, it IS a form of racing. or at least, it started out that way. If any of you have seen Keiichi Tsuchiyas video 'drift bible', you'll notice that 99 percent of drifting technique is SPEED DRIFTING. ie, not drifting for style, but drifting to keep your rpm band high, and therefore keep your car moving faster then heavy braking associated with normal racing, ESPECIALLY on tight mountain tracks. Drifting evolved from japanese drivers driving the mountain passes, and trying to go faster and faster while turning led to lots of tailsliding while driving, and that tailsliding led to controlled drifts, and its RIDICULOUS to say that you cant have a race while doing so. Competition drifting, where its based on speed and ANGLE, which is more for show, is fundamentally different. Tsuchiya grew up admiring show drifters, but also perfected his skill as a speed drifter, and if you look at his records, actually won races by drifting his car in NON DRIFTING competitions. So saying that drifting doesnt have racing applications is ridiculous.
I have plenty of movies of a local group of tuners (including me )drifting around. i live in a valley, so we do it in mountains, and if someone tried to brake and NOT slide their car around, they would lose every race.
The real reason i started this post was to ask if anyone had heard of people using MK3s before as drift machines. i use it because its what i have, but i know its a real heavy mofo, and was wondering if there were other tuners out there who had made the MK3 supra into a drift machine.
OH, and i have plenty of body damage on my mk3, i actually have about 5 panels in my room next to me that ive gotten from junkyards, and are here just for when i dent up my car next week. because every drifter in the world will tell you, including Tsuchiya, making mistakes is all about getting better.
blah! that was long.
anywho.....
drifting is just like any other thing that undergoes a sudden jolt in media attention, in that there are all the new people getting into it for the first time who act like they've been into it before it got big, and the old timers who resent EVERYTHING.
first off, it IS a form of racing. or at least, it started out that way. If any of you have seen Keiichi Tsuchiyas video 'drift bible', you'll notice that 99 percent of drifting technique is SPEED DRIFTING. ie, not drifting for style, but drifting to keep your rpm band high, and therefore keep your car moving faster then heavy braking associated with normal racing, ESPECIALLY on tight mountain tracks. Drifting evolved from japanese drivers driving the mountain passes, and trying to go faster and faster while turning led to lots of tailsliding while driving, and that tailsliding led to controlled drifts, and its RIDICULOUS to say that you cant have a race while doing so. Competition drifting, where its based on speed and ANGLE, which is more for show, is fundamentally different. Tsuchiya grew up admiring show drifters, but also perfected his skill as a speed drifter, and if you look at his records, actually won races by drifting his car in NON DRIFTING competitions. So saying that drifting doesnt have racing applications is ridiculous.
I have plenty of movies of a local group of tuners (including me )drifting around. i live in a valley, so we do it in mountains, and if someone tried to brake and NOT slide their car around, they would lose every race.
The real reason i started this post was to ask if anyone had heard of people using MK3s before as drift machines. i use it because its what i have, but i know its a real heavy mofo, and was wondering if there were other tuners out there who had made the MK3 supra into a drift machine.
OH, and i have plenty of body damage on my mk3, i actually have about 5 panels in my room next to me that ive gotten from junkyards, and are here just for when i dent up my car next week. because every drifter in the world will tell you, including Tsuchiya, making mistakes is all about getting better.
blah! that was long.
I couldnt have said it better. Like he said the reason i got interested in drifting is because i knew it would help me as a perfessional racecar driver so i would have the ability to drift through a thight corner and not have to competely slow for it. I have a realy good way to explain how it works and why its fast but it would confuse alot of people without being able to draw it out for them.JibithofJib said:
I'm alittle late on this... but for those regarding the Viper as "too easy to drift", I believe it was tuned in the lower 600hp range... So it isn't a 900+ machine going out and competing with cars half as powerful, also take into the account the Viper is longer, heavier, and more akward of a car to hold sideways. Ever driven/sat in one? it's much more intimidating than a Silvia or a Corolla.
The Viper also sounds pretty disgusting(in a bad way)
The Viper also sounds pretty disgusting(in a bad way)
it may be easyer to start the drift in the viper yes but you still have to know how to control the drift.
I knew it was too good to be true...I finally thought this thread was dead...but no! It has returned!
So are you all about dumping money into a car that's sole purpose (racing wise anyways) is to travel in a straight line...for a quarter of a mile? It stands about as much chance as hitting a wall drag racing and could potentially suffer more damage. And I would consider it to be less fun, but I don't knock those that want to do it.
I said it once...I'll say it again. If you like drifting, cool...if you don't cool, but for fucks sake...to each their own!!!
Topher E said:
So are you all about dumping money into a car that's sole purpose (racing wise anyways) is to travel in a straight line...for a quarter of a mile? It stands about as much chance as hitting a wall drag racing and could potentially suffer more damage. And I would consider it to be less fun, but I don't knock those that want to do it.
I said it once...I'll say it again. If you like drifting, cool...if you don't cool, but for fucks sake...to each their own!!!
SupraDerk said:
I agree with you, but this is the only way this thread seems to go. lol.
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