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lifesnotfair

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I had a 300ZX TT, and now my Supra is 1JZ TT... both heavy cars, they're harder to control than the lighter ones.

I had an RX-7 87 Turbo, and man that was like silk, very easy to control when being sideways. I can see why many "kids" go with the 240SX and SR20 engine, it's a great platform for drifting I bet. And btw, the SR is not just "a 200hp engine" as someone stated before. Even the oldest of the SR20DET that people use, the one from the Silvia S13, has like 205hp and 220 lb-ft of torque or something? (correct me if I'm wrong), and that's stock.. and at like 7psi... we all know what a couple of BPU's can do to that, and remember, they're WAY lighter than a MKIII so they don't need to dyno 300hp in order to drift.
 
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MassSupra89 said:
I agree with you, but this is the only way this thread seems to go. lol.
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haha, yeah, it's so sad too. There could be some good conversation about this too.

lifesnotfair said:
I had an RX-7 87 Turbo, and man that was like silk, very easy to control when being sideways
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The FC RX7 has 50/50 weight distribution which would be why it felt like silk, haha. S13's are nose heavy, and understeer like a bitch so you have to ride them harder in order to get good drifts. The S14 is about the same as the FC and as long as you can get the rear to slide it's easy to control, almost no understeer in these bad boys unless you're hauling ass.

I actually have no idea what the Supra's weight distribution is, but I'm pretty sure it's front heavy and would probably understeer a lot (I'm talking stock suspension...I don't have stock and never did, so I have no idea how it handles), but with the right suspension setup you could eliminate that. All I know is that my baby likes to slide...and it slides so easily. I've also yet to wreck *knocks on wood*
 
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SupraDerk said:
I actually have no idea what the Supra's weight distribution is, but I'm pretty sure it's front heavy and would probably understeer a lot (I'm talking stock suspension...I don't have stock and never did, so I have no idea how it handles), but with the right suspension setup you could eliminate that. All I know is that my baby likes to slide...and it slides so easily. I've also yet to wreck *knocks on wood*
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I think I remember reading someone recently weighed their car and it was around 55-45, move the battery to the back and lose some small stuff and you'll be very close to 50-50
 
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^Haha, there you go. I think I'm gonna pick up an Optima battery in about a month, so I'll probably be relocating it. It'll be interesting to see how differently it handles.
 
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Turbo. Targa. Life. said:
Oh holy fuck now we're arguing about someone wrecking their car?? I believe someone here smashed theirs in a tunnel. Hold on lemme go find out who it was...**will return with the edit**
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im not argueing just dont understand where someone else wreaking their car is his problem
 
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Not you munky man, I was referring to Topher, whom I actually like, but his opinion on the subject isn't necessarily reflecting of other people's opinion.

BTW I can't find the damn person who wrecked their car in the tunnel. Whoever it was said they hit a patch of oily shit in the bottom of the tunnel and slid out
 
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Turbo. Targa. Life. said:
BTW I can't find the damn person who wrecked their car in the tunnel. Whoever it was said they hit a patch of oily shit in the bottom of the tunnel and slid out
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I remember that thread too. I remember the pictures also but can't find the link either.

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so removing the AC and all that other shit plus moving the battery would give you 50/50? or near it? maybe like 49.5/40.5...
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That adds up to the car only having 90% weight....:icon_conf lol. I know what you mean though, but also take into consideration if you've done anything else like remove the spare tire, backseats, and other things from the back.
 
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^ yeah, removing the spare, backseats and other things in the rear will make understeer your best friend unless you make adjustments to your suspension
 
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^It's still a heavy car so there would obviously be more momentum on the heavier car than the lighter car at the same speed. But if the heavy car were 50/50 then weight transfers while drifting would be smooth and shouldn't cause the car to make any unwanted movements.

ie. 60/40 you'd have to really lock the rear wheels somehow to cause a big weight transfer to the front in order to drift

ie2. 40/60 you'd just have to let off the gas and the rear would probably come sliding out and you'd have to be counter-steering IMMEDIATELY

ie3. 50/50 the car should behave like you want it to. Weight transfers should be smooth so you shouldn't have to slam on the brakes or do a huge feint motion in order to drift, and the rear shouldn't whip around unwanted during a drift or during recovery.
 
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SupraDerk has it down. 40/60 would be like an NSX or MR2. Very difficult cars to slide so I am told.

In a drift car, you actually want a little bit of understeer. Cars that are oversteer prone are slower, more difficult to control, and boring to watch. In a car that is neutral with a little bit of understeer dialed in you spend more time on the throttle which = more smoke.
Remember when the RX-8 came out? Auto mag writers where complaining about its tendancy to understeer, yet it posted the fastest slalom time of any production car at that time! Why? Because they could be on the throttle more and just steer which gave the drivers that extra 1.5 MPH to eek out a record slalom time.

I love reading these posts where people are trying to say drifting is faster. Guys. Get with it. Watch some racing and tell me how many cars are sliding. ZERO. Better yet, go to a drift day and try it your self. Then go to and HPDE and see how long you last. hahaha
The argument that "Keichi used to do it" is moot. That was in the 70s when tires where garbage. Talk to any racer who was driving back then and they will tell you that with those shitty old race tires it was a little faster to get the tail out a little bit coming into a corner to help rotate the car. Modern tire, suspension, and aero technology have combined to eliminate that type of driving as fast.
Spinning tires means that you are not accelerating as fast as you could be. That is engine power that you are converting into smoke and not MPH. That is slower no matter how you look at it.
 
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I love reading these posts where people are trying to say drifting is faster. Guys. Get with it. Watch some racing and tell me how many cars are sliding. ZERO. Better yet, go to a drift day and try it your self. Then go to and HPDE and see how long you last. hahaha
The argument that "Keichi used to do it" is moot. That was in the 70s when tires where garbage. Talk to any racer who was driving back then and they will tell you that with those shitty old race tires it was a little faster to get the tail out a little bit coming into a corner to help rotate the car. Modern tire, suspension, and aero technology have combined to eliminate that type of driving as fast.
Spinning tires means that you are not accelerating as fast as you could be. That is engine power that you are converting into smoke and not MPH. That is slower no matter how you look at it.
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YES!! +1 to you sir!

I've known one guy who tried to drift an AW20 and he said he almost shit his pants, lol.
 
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