Best Way To Build An 11 Second 7MGTE
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supra1 said:
That's stupid, a 2jz wouldn't fit in a dsm engine bay without serverley cutting the fire wall, let's compare Shep's Talon to Woon's Supra who's got a better time? Shep! Not to discredit Woon in anyway his car is amazing, and a 4g63 is a great engine in race form, but yes it is DEFINATLY not a good car to just start modding, shit breaks as I've learned from my 2 current dsm's, and yes we know dsm trannies suck ridiculously huge balls.
A 5 speed can be just as useful as an auto on the track if you can drive it. Sticky d/r, a good clutch, and preferably a 4.30lsd will hold well and you don't get as much drivetrain loss as an auto, better driveability and won't kill you on gas because of a massive stall.
Mods needed:
60-1 CT or 60+mm turbo
Fuel (afpr, 550's or +, at least a 255lph fp)
Good clutch
D/R or slicks
Definatly ARP's and a MHG on a machined head
Tuning device (Maft, safc, emanage, w/e you prefer)
Proper gauges, wideband, boost, EGT
Full exhaust
Gonna be at least 3.5k assuming you don't need other maintence or work.
And if that isn't enough with boost, a small shot of nitrous should do it if everything is setup right, good luck happy motoring.
7Mboost said:
Agreed.
a 2jz wouldnt fit in the DSM engine bay as its a straight six vs 4 cylinder.
Likewise the Supra is a bigger heavier car to cope with that size and power which again gives us the apples to oranges comparison.
Both great motors for sure but shep's car is anything but street usable at present. It cannot be street driven at all. He has a filled block and therefore no water runs through it! to run 55psi boost on the 4G that may be needed Im guessing?
I dont think he runs with an alternator now either...meaning his car cannot currently be street legal (I know it was though in the recent past) but Im fully aware it was streetable when he ran in the low 8's....!
Conversely, Ryan Woons car can run long road trips if he so required as he still runs a radiator and water cooled block....and full electrics and even ICE..
Basically too difficult to compare cars as they are so different. We've Just got to love them both being speedfreaks :evil2:
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The 4G63 have great cylinder heads. But who cares when its only 2.0 liters and 4 cylinders. Your limitted by displacement and amount of cylinders(and ports).
And why are some people comparing a methonal-powered race car running 50psi to a street car?
And why are some people comparing a methonal-powered race car running 50psi to a street car?
Get a 1972 Datsun 240z (weighs about 2500lbs IIRC)
Get a 7M Motor, Toss a bunch of mods and supporting mods. Like the ones listed, and get some GOOD Drag Radials, and you have an easy 11 second car. If 400hp in a full weight 3600lb car can do 11's, then a 2500lb car could do 11's alllllll day.
Am i right? Cause thats my plan, only... a lot more HP.
Get a 7M Motor, Toss a bunch of mods and supporting mods. Like the ones listed, and get some GOOD Drag Radials, and you have an easy 11 second car. If 400hp in a full weight 3600lb car can do 11's, then a 2500lb car could do 11's alllllll day.
Am i right? Cause thats my plan, only... a lot more HP.
From what I have read online, it seems like you need more balls than HP to run 11s. Ill find out what it will be like to run 11s in the spring (hopefully on pump gas
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I just got back from barnes and noble, and in the current "turbo" magazine, there are 2 cars that blow my mind. Both are street cars, and put down better numbers then supras with the same mods. the first is a dd integra type r. It has a gt35r and put down 647 rwhp out of its little 1.8 liter. And the amazeing thing is, it didn't use ANY nitrous, and that was at 33psi. It did have 9.7:1 compression, but it was very impressive non the less. Sure it was built to the hilt, but a 7m and 1j would be hard pressed to get that kind of power out of their motors, even with the higher displacements. There was also an evo that had a 35r that put down high 500's. Amazeing. I would love to build a 1j that revs to 9k and makes that kind of horsepower.....
those hondas are everyday where I am from dude.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkzg...onda-portal.com/honda-videos.php?video_id=617 this is one of my boys cars and there is many more were that came from. They are quick but there is no torque. They are fast because there Lite and obviously make horsepower. You and everybody else feels torque. One of those cars with 500hp or more have less the everyday driveability feel. Trust me I knowgilberjj said:
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turbodriz said:
I'm just amazed they were able to extract significantly more horsepower out of a 1.8 liter when compared to ij's 7m, or any other 35r powered 7m
Thats because the honda has many more mods than your typical supra. Put cams, intake manifolds, ported heads, bigger valves, standalone engine management and the supra engines will make that power too with a 35R.
Most of the guys who go all out with supras are the ones usually running a much bigger turbo than a 61mm.
Most of the guys who go all out with supras are the ones usually running a much bigger turbo than a 61mm.
MRSUPRA said:
Bingo. Right on the money with that IMHO.
if you build the 7m as heavily as the Hondas HAVE to be to run a GT35r 'reliably', they would be near those numbers.
However the 7m is not as revvier a motor as the little 1.8 4 pot, but it puts out a lot more torque I would bet due to the massive increase in displacement between the two.
I would like to see the dyno plot for the Honda, I wonder when it hits full boost?
what im saying is.... IJ runs an internally gated gt35r, motec ecu, fully built motor with large cams, and is making mid 500's if i remember correctly. It IS through an automatic, but I would think the 7m would make more peak power too.... maybe IJ tuned it for midrange punch, but I know his cams are huge, and pull good to 8k rpm.
My boys honda makes 630 hp on a built bottom. The head has stock cams. After market valve springs , valves and retainers. The valves are standard size and the head is not ported. He runs a gt4067 and gets max boost at 5grand. Alot of the succes with honda motors come from the hemi design pistons and being rev happy.MRSUPRA said: