The use of LC VOIDS YOUR WARRENTY-Nissan GTR

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Clueless;1156758 said:
for $100k, I'd go get a real skyline, not any of this cheapass japanese v8 garbage.

A real Skyline? What an R32,33,34? The new GTR has a V6 not V8...I'd take one of the new VR38 over an RB25/RB26 any day. You must be biased toward I6 motors, and have not even attempted to learn about anything else.
 

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Rennat;1156770 said:
you realize the nissan skyline is and always has been a 6 cylinder right? LOL

Yea, it's been a long day at work....

x10secondzx2;1156772 said:
A real Skyline? What an R32,33,34? The new GTR has a V6 not V8...I'd take one of the new VR38 over an RB25/RB26 any day. You must be biased toward I6 motors, and have not even attempted to learn about anything else.

damn right I'm biased, I6 ftmfw!! :evil2:

Justin727;1156773 said:
LOL and the new GTR is infact a V6 not a V8. Anyhow the car is built in japan damn near hand made.

See above
 

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MKIIINA;1156733 said:
It's reliable? Really? Have you driven it? No? Do you have scientific research to back up your claim? (true delta comes to mind) No? Then surely GM has put a powertrain together in the same configuration on a previous car and its been proven to be reliable right? NO??!?!?!?!

Now I can see from your posts that your an american mfg nut swinger (heck i'm a die hard Mopar guy myself) but please try and keep some rational here.

The GTR on paper seems like a great car. Yes I agree that its pretty dumb to have a car with LC and then expect people not to use it. American mfgers have alot of the same problems with first year cars too (didn't the new Z'06's have a problem with roofs delaminating?)

Now I don't know about you but I drive my Supra pretty hard but I don't do a drag start at every stoplight, maybe once a month at best. Heck I bet most of the LC launches will take place on the GTR before an owner even takes possession of the car.

hope thats enough of my soapbox rant for you guys...

American mfg nut swinger? haha...The drivetrain was tested on the Z06 platform actually to prepare for the higher horsepower on the ZR-1...transmission is very similar and has been proven...Tremec as you may or may not know, makes some outstanding stuff.

I give credit to where it is needed...you can ask the people that know me or have met me or have talked to me about cars and they will tell you that I like all vehicles...just like some more haha. No need to get you panties in a knot...just stating some opinions and facts. If you feel like bashing me then do it through PMs and don't spam up the OPs topic.
 
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03bamaGT;1156784 said:
American mfg nut swinger? haha...The drivetrain was tested on the Z06 platform actually to prepare for the higher horsepower on the ZR-1...transmission is very similar and has been proven...Tremec as you may or may not know, makes some outstanding stuff such as

I give credit to where it is needed...you can ask the people that know me or have met me or have talked to me about cars and they will tell you that I like all vehicles...just like some more haha. No need to get you panties in a knot...just stating some opinions and facts. If you feel like bashing me then do it through PMs and don't spam up the OPs topic.

I agree T-56 FTW. If im not mistaken the T-56 in the new ZO6 uses the same(or very similar) gears as the Viper's T-56 and is good for 800+ lbs-ft.
 

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x10secondzx2;1156789 said:
I agree T-56 FTW. If im not mistaken the T-56 in the new ZO6 uses the same(or very similar) gears as the Viper's T-56 and is good for 800+ lbs-ft.

Your correct...the Z06 trans is good for 800++lb ft. with the proper clutch. Tremec has got their stuff in order. The Cobra, Z06, and Viper all use the T56 in different variances.
 

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03bamaGT;1156784 said:
American mfg nut swinger? haha...The drivetrain was tested on the Z06 platform actually to prepare for the higher horsepower on the ZR-1...transmission is very similar and has been proven...Tremec as you may or may not know, makes some outstanding stuff.

I give credit to where it is needed...you can ask the people that know me or have met me or have talked to me about cars and they will tell you that I like all vehicles...just like some more haha. No need to get you panties in a knot...just stating some opinions and facts. If you feel like bashing me then do it through PMs and don't spam up the OPs topic.

i dont see how i was spamming the thread as it was about the GTR and not the Tremec transmission, the ZR1 or the new camero so lets start with that about whos OT. and while the C6 chassis was tested with the supercharger setup this is the first time its officially in production same as the new nissan dual clutch setup.

now let me reiterate, i am anxious to see the what the real world yields for the GTR and that Nissan can get over its first year teething problems, adjust the transmission as needed and make things even better for the GTR V-Spec that should be out in coming months.

more back on topic - anyone hear exactly what is failing in the transmission? i wonder if its like in the R154 where hard launches toast thrust washers...
 

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I6 > V6

I6 = 7 mains
V6 = 4 mains

Not to mention the splayed rod journal on the crank. I6 will hold more power than a V6 with everything being equal...
 

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x10secondzx2;1156298 said:
Thats not the point. It should be able to do 100000000 launch controled launches in a row. The car is $80k. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mercedes, ect can build the car to do launch after launch after launch. Why can't Nissan. And the launch control is similar to every other car with it. Put it in first, push a button, hold brake, floor gas, let off brake, there you go.....
This is from Edmunds.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqeedNRR27o

You're forgetting was 99.9% of people who look at this argument seem to ignore - The fact that the car does NOT have Launch Control. As far as I'm concerned, that video proves it - There isn't a "Press Here for Epic Launch" button like you get in other cars. You have to fanny about with that sequence that is no where to be found in the owner's manual (as to your "Other cars can do it" theory, I know for a fact that Ferrari implement a two launch limit on their F430 and it is a fully dedicated and supported feature on that car!)

I don't see the logic in Nissan being responsible for a feature that as far as they're concerned doesn't exist let alone acutally support? From what I understand, they have to sign a legally binding contract saying that they won't use the feature "Too Much" (granted, stupid wording on Nissan's part) That makes a lot of sense... Just because something is there isn't a justification to use it - I bet a Corvette could quite happily bounce off of the limiter from a cold constantly, should GM be responsible when I toast an engine? Likewise, If I bought a new car with an automatic box and did several 6,000RPM N to D gearbox dumps, should I have a new transmission coming to me because the car "allowed me" to do it?
 

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You're trying to make the RMA generation accept personal resposibility for their own idiot actions..... ain't gonna happen.

UNDOCUMENTED FEATURE

Wonder how many of these guys wailing about the GTR LC have returned PC parts after cooking them though an overclock or pulled the "I was just riding/driving along" when the engine exploded into a 1000 pieces and now I want you to warranty it.....
 

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IJ.;1161104 said:
You're trying to make the RMA generation accept personal resposibility for their own idiot actions..... ain't gonna happen.

UNDOCUMENTED FEATURE

Wonder how many of these guys wailing about the GTR LC have returned PC parts after cooking them though an overclock or pulled the "I was just riding/driving along" when the engine exploded into a 1000 pieces and now I want you to warranty it.....

It's not impossible
 

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It was an intended feature, just hidden.

Them expecting people to not find it is laughable after them advertising it in their early articles...
 

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I know a guy that put a hole in his block the size of his fist on his Ranger Level II...he had 3 inches of lift, gears, and the usual offroad stuff. He was a spirited driver and enjoyed his truck. Ford replaced his engine under warranty with no questions asked. I guess I don't see a problem...the warranty is there for a reason and should be honored as long as nothing YOU put on there voids it. Obviously bigger turbos for you guys or a supercharger for me would void the warranty but if its factory stuff it should be covered.
 

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And while Nissan may makr it as an undocumented feature, or say it should be used rarely, or discourage uit's use entirely.

Hell even if they say never use it, we've made it hard to get to because you shouldn't!

Then they certainly shouldn't use it's result, that being a very quick time to whatever Kph, as a major marketing feature and major "Gee look at what this car can do, look at what you will be capable of doing if you buy our wizzbang car" in there press through magazines etc. If you arn't actually allowed to do it in the car after you do buy one.

I could just see it now if there were a hidden feature that allowed the supra to rev to 14,000RPM and have boost for one or two tries at 4 bars that allowed it to be the fastest productiion car ever made to 60, and did the 1/4 mile in 7 seconds flat. But then after getting the car you are forbidden to do it, but it seemed like such a shiny feature they touted over and over.

Come to think of it, I bet the car could rev to 14k..............once, LOL, they, knowing toyota, probably would in fact warrenty you anyways because they are damn good like that.

Hell, I've driven my supra freaken hard, from the day I bought it, back in 1990. Yes, I'm the original owner. My tranny has sustained, from day one, without one complaint ever, countless waterbox burnouts, 1/4 mile runs and 2-500RWHP 7m's and one 600+RWHP 7m with nothing more than a clutch upgrade.........ever. I'm about to drop a even more powerful 2j into it's lap now, and only now will I open the thing and give it a once over and refresher. I seruiously doubt from the sounds of it that the GTR tranny would fair life so well in place of my good ol r154.

Bottom line, don't tell us the car can do.....blah blah blah.......if your not allowed to do ......blah blah blah.......ever once you buy it without voiding your warrenty.

It's a sportscar for gods sakes, not a soccor mom mover! (no offense to soccor mom's intended)