Model 1 sales is cheap, youre better off going theough Del-ton or coleman tyler. Del-ton has some nice custom setups where you choose your barrel, stock etc.
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thanks for the heads up. checking out the del-ton site now. looks like the options are less than some other sites i've seen
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Vote with your feet in CA.
Move away from the Liberal laws. (Of course, the way this current government is going, it's all going to be like CA soon..)
Then it's all going to end as a country if the Russian guy is right.
Move away from the Liberal laws. (Of course, the way this current government is going, it's all going to be like CA soon..)
Then it's all going to end as a country if the Russian guy is right.
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My new Colt M4 match target and EOtech 553. Going to the range this weekend to zero the carry handle, my POS military issue BUIS and the eotech. Also, added a spare rail system I had laying around.
Usually for target shooting, I get cheap old Winchester 100rd "white box" ammunition from Wal-Mart, but the 3 stores within 1/2 hour of here have been out for 2-3 months now.
I called the local gun store and they are out of 9mm and 45ACP of any kind, all except 45 JHP, and I don't want to target shoot with hollow points - it is not cost effective [compare ~$20 for 20 JHP to $34 for 100 regular].
Is anyone else experiencing a shortage? I would like to go shooting this weekend, but I don't want to deplete what I have when there's no telling how long it will be before I can get more. It is insanity, that I should have to put ammunition on back-order..
I called the local gun store and they are out of 9mm and 45ACP of any kind, all except 45 JHP, and I don't want to target shoot with hollow points - it is not cost effective [compare ~$20 for 20 JHP to $34 for 100 regular].
Is anyone else experiencing a shortage? I would like to go shooting this weekend, but I don't want to deplete what I have when there's no telling how long it will be before I can get more. It is insanity, that I should have to put ammunition on back-order..
drunk_medic;1274332 said:
dude....get smart and buy ammo online during sales and order it in bulk...
gaboonviper85;1274342 said:
Last time I bought online was October. They didn't tell me it was not in stock, and it took 2 months to get to me - then I saw how much they had at WalMart at the time, for a good price. I have since burned it all off. Where do you buy online that has good prices on bulk ammo in-stock?
drunk_medic;1274347 said:
The wal-marts near me get ammo very regularly, they just sell out as soon as it arrives. The guy at the counter said they get shipments about twice a week in ammo.
I've been keeping a close eye on their stock and finally was able to show up right after they'd received shipment. The ammo case was about half full and I'm sure it was about empty by the end of the day.
I've searched online, but no site has come anywhere close to walmart's blazer brass CCI cost. 12.49 for 50 rounds. Cheapest I've seen it shippid online was ~20 for 50.
Also, you can try Sports Authority if you have those local to you. They carry handgun ammo and I've always seen them 100% fully stocked. I paid ~37.99 for a box of 100 in .40.
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Last time I checked at WalMart, bought two WWB 9mm 100's, and two Federal .223's for about 74.00...
Nothing else has been around lately..
Local Sportsmans Wherehouse has some limited 9mm and .223, but they want 19 to 29 per 20 for the .223, and about the same for 50 9mm in tricked out moly coated HP stuff that I'd use for carry rounds, but not for target shooting.
Found a few boxes of 9mm 124gr ball, Remington, for 13.99 a box.. bought two, and they have a few cases, so I'll go back later for more, and to use the range. (Impact Guns.. and they gave me 5 hours of free range time.. so basicly the ammo paid for the range time and then some.. Those guys know I'll be back, and shoot 250 rounds, and buy every one of them from them... LOL)
What really sucks is that the prices are not going to go down people. They are going to only go up from here out. (And if they mandate that serial numbers be added to every round, and tracked.. the prices will go up 2x or more.)
Reloading supplies can't be found in many places. The shelves are bare. It's like communist Russia supermarket stores.. Weird for sure.
Nothing else has been around lately..
Local Sportsmans Wherehouse has some limited 9mm and .223, but they want 19 to 29 per 20 for the .223, and about the same for 50 9mm in tricked out moly coated HP stuff that I'd use for carry rounds, but not for target shooting.
Found a few boxes of 9mm 124gr ball, Remington, for 13.99 a box.. bought two, and they have a few cases, so I'll go back later for more, and to use the range. (Impact Guns.. and they gave me 5 hours of free range time.. so basicly the ammo paid for the range time and then some.. Those guys know I'll be back, and shoot 250 rounds, and buy every one of them from them... LOL)
What really sucks is that the prices are not going to go down people. They are going to only go up from here out. (And if they mandate that serial numbers be added to every round, and tracked.. the prices will go up 2x or more.)
Reloading supplies can't be found in many places. The shelves are bare. It's like communist Russia supermarket stores.. Weird for sure.
I have a question for Firearm owners regarding shipping firearms....
My dad has a few guns he want to give me but he is in Florida and I live in Maryland. A rifle , a shot gun and a .22 hand gun. It seems like the laws have changed recently and UPS/fedex/DHL are not allowed to ship from individual to individual. It must be from and to an FFL dealer. Is this true? and has anyone done somethinging like this within the leats few months?
Im curious what all is involved and ballpark cost. I'm going to call a gun store later this week just wanted to see if anyone knew off the top of their head...
thanks in advance.
My dad has a few guns he want to give me but he is in Florida and I live in Maryland. A rifle , a shot gun and a .22 hand gun. It seems like the laws have changed recently and UPS/fedex/DHL are not allowed to ship from individual to individual. It must be from and to an FFL dealer. Is this true? and has anyone done somethinging like this within the leats few months?
Im curious what all is involved and ballpark cost. I'm going to call a gun store later this week just wanted to see if anyone knew off the top of their head...
thanks in advance.
You cannot ship firearms across state lines to an individual. You must ship direct to a dealer who holds a valid FFL. Your dad can ship them personally to a gun shop of your choice, and you can pay the transfer fees (usually about $15-25 per weapon) to the gun shop. There may also be a background check fee required by local law. This is why you're better off dealing with a gun store as they will know your local laws as well.
Go to a local gun store and talk to them about it. They'll tell you exactly what you need to do, and will help you get it done.
Go to a local gun store and talk to them about it. They'll tell you exactly what you need to do, and will help you get it done.
Today I took my conceal carry permit classes and now as soon I turn 21 everything is in line for me to start carrying. I opted for a utah carry license and a Minnesota carry license. So I will have all the states that recognize Utah's carry and not have to get a purchase permit by having a carry permit in Mn.
I -DO NOT- recommend Independence ammunition, at least not in 230g FMJ 45ACP.
H&K USPs are well known for eating pretty much anything you feed them - the only thing I have ever heard was BAD for a USP was Wolf ammunition [steel case, lacquered]. I have put ~100rds of Federal American Eagle, ~300rds of Winchester "white box", 50rds of Aguila and 50rds of Independence through the USP. I cannot recall ONE misfed round in all that I had shot, until the Independence. Not only did the accuracy seem terrible, but I experienced a misfeed every 10 rounds. A 10% failure rate, whether it is feed or fire, on a USP is something an ammo company should be ashamed of, especially when the cheap stuff [WWB] has NEVER failed me. I might also add that the ammo shot very dirty - a bit more cleanup left in the barrel/chamber/gun than I am used to, and the bottom halves of spent brass seemed quite "smoked".
On a good note, I found that I had a few unopened boxes of ammunition stashed, so my ammo situation is not quite as dire as I had thought a week ago. I am still going to buy a bit more, probably as soon as I find it available.
H&K USPs are well known for eating pretty much anything you feed them - the only thing I have ever heard was BAD for a USP was Wolf ammunition [steel case, lacquered]. I have put ~100rds of Federal American Eagle, ~300rds of Winchester "white box", 50rds of Aguila and 50rds of Independence through the USP. I cannot recall ONE misfed round in all that I had shot, until the Independence. Not only did the accuracy seem terrible, but I experienced a misfeed every 10 rounds. A 10% failure rate, whether it is feed or fire, on a USP is something an ammo company should be ashamed of, especially when the cheap stuff [WWB] has NEVER failed me. I might also add that the ammo shot very dirty - a bit more cleanup left in the barrel/chamber/gun than I am used to, and the bottom halves of spent brass seemed quite "smoked".
On a good note, I found that I had a few unopened boxes of ammunition stashed, so my ammo situation is not quite as dire as I had thought a week ago. I am still going to buy a bit more, probably as soon as I find it available.
It begins. For you guys that don't know, Georgia Arms is a ammunition reloader that purchases large amounts of military .45, 9mm, .223 and .308 brass for that purpose. This e-mail was sent out by Georgia Arms summarizing a new DOD directive to destroy surplus brass...it's supported by the next two emails that outline the government's desired outcome. Say goodbye to any quality brass in quantity.
I'm going to write my Representative and both Senators. This is a ploy to further reduce the availability of military caliber ammunition as a reloading component. Basically, the government is trying to increase the price to put the cost of this type of ammo out of reach for most Americans. At the same time, reloading suppliers and reloaders like Georgia Arms will take a severe impact to business...perhaps to the point where they must shut down ops.
This is an outrage...time to make it public. If you are a member of a gun related forum or gun club, make the members aware of what is happening.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:gaarms@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tue, March 17, 2009 11:22 AM
To: Larry
Subject: To our Valued Customers
To our Valued Customers,
Effective 3/12/09 DOD Surplus, LLC is requiring the mutilation of all spent shell casings. This, of course is designed to prevent the recycling of these cases. This creates a situation that would appear to be the opposite of what our national focus is reported to be. As we are asked to recycle and move to GREEN products on one hand, we are being instructed to destroy this brass rather than recycle it on the other. First, this decreases the value of this surplus product to the government by about 80%, wasting revenue that we desperately need in these economically stressed times. Second, destroying this brass creates a huge expenditure of energy to resmelt, realloy, restamp and redraw this now unusable product to make it usable again. How is that going green and how does that benefit anyone? Third, it puts unnecessary economic stress on our job market. There is no question that this new policy will result in layoffs to some of our employees. I believe our goal should be to create more jobs, not more unemployment. This is not to mention the obvious We all need to contact our representatives and let them know how destructive this new directive is to our economy.
We are evaluating our present inventory of 223, 308 brass to determine how best to supply these ammunition's to orders on hand as far back as 10/08. We will advise you, our customer, this week on website & through email our decisions on future sale, shipments.
Thanks
Georgia Arms
Below are two emails that we received from DOD (Department of Defense):
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
March 12, 2009
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180
Re: Event 7084-6200:
Dear Larry Haynie,
Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.
If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.
Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.
Sincerely,
Government Liquidation.
I'm going to write my Representative and both Senators. This is a ploy to further reduce the availability of military caliber ammunition as a reloading component. Basically, the government is trying to increase the price to put the cost of this type of ammo out of reach for most Americans. At the same time, reloading suppliers and reloaders like Georgia Arms will take a severe impact to business...perhaps to the point where they must shut down ops.
This is an outrage...time to make it public. If you are a member of a gun related forum or gun club, make the members aware of what is happening.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:gaarms@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tue, March 17, 2009 11:22 AM
To: Larry
Subject: To our Valued Customers
To our Valued Customers,
Effective 3/12/09 DOD Surplus, LLC is requiring the mutilation of all spent shell casings. This, of course is designed to prevent the recycling of these cases. This creates a situation that would appear to be the opposite of what our national focus is reported to be. As we are asked to recycle and move to GREEN products on one hand, we are being instructed to destroy this brass rather than recycle it on the other. First, this decreases the value of this surplus product to the government by about 80%, wasting revenue that we desperately need in these economically stressed times. Second, destroying this brass creates a huge expenditure of energy to resmelt, realloy, restamp and redraw this now unusable product to make it usable again. How is that going green and how does that benefit anyone? Third, it puts unnecessary economic stress on our job market. There is no question that this new policy will result in layoffs to some of our employees. I believe our goal should be to create more jobs, not more unemployment. This is not to mention the obvious We all need to contact our representatives and let them know how destructive this new directive is to our economy.
We are evaluating our present inventory of 223, 308 brass to determine how best to supply these ammunition's to orders on hand as far back as 10/08. We will advise you, our customer, this week on website & through email our decisions on future sale, shipments.
Thanks
Georgia Arms
Below are two emails that we received from DOD (Department of Defense):
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
March 12, 2009
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180
Re: Event 7084-6200:
Dear Larry Haynie,
Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.
If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.
Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.
Sincerely,
Government Liquidation.
I saw this on the Georgia Arms webpage on one day:
"Attention!!
Due to new government regulations concerning the purchasing of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice. Below is a copy of the email we received from Government Liquidations.
'Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.'
This is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. The value of these products is reduced by 80% by going from a recycled product to a scrap product.
CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!!!!!!!!"
The very next day, the website said something else regarding this issue - I do not remember the exact wording.
Two days later, this was posted on their website, and it still remains:
"NOTICE!!!
A hardy congratulation is due to our loyal customers, our good friends, and our fellow shooting enthusiasts through out this great nation! Due to the diligent and overwhelming effort of many thousands of you, calling, writing, and emailing our elected officials, DOD Surplus, LLC, has rescinded its prior directive that ALL small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled. This was a huge victory for common sense and we would like to thank each and every person who made an effort and played a role in correcting this mistake. We at Georgia Arms are proud of everyone who took the time and had the courage to stand up for our rights. We believe, that by your outpouring of anger and dismay, you not only extended our liberty and freedoms but also took a stand for economic common sense in a time when we know our government should be trying to reduce costs at all levels rather than throwing money away for some politically correct reason or the other. Again, our hat is off to everyone who helped and thanks to God as well. We will roll up our sleeves and go back to work; we have 223’s and 308’s to build! (Below is a copy of the email we received from DOD on 3/17/09 @ 4:30pm)
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!!
(This was pertaining to an outstanding bid on a lot of brass that we won prior to the mutilation order. DOD sent us a bill for the brass after we had refused it due to the mutilation requirements. DOD on Monday sent us a bill for the brass and when we responded that we had already refused it due to the mutilation clause, we received this reply via email.)
I am sorry you hadn’t been informed –
Word came down that all shells 50 caliber or smaller CAN still be purchased without the mutilation requirement as long as kept in the US.
(As it was in limbo, I did not sent your EUC to Battle Creek until today, also why I have not contacted you for payment until today.)
Thanks!"
Looks like it has been squashed - for now.
"Attention!!
Due to new government regulations concerning the purchasing of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice. Below is a copy of the email we received from Government Liquidations.
'Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.'
This is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. The value of these products is reduced by 80% by going from a recycled product to a scrap product.
CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!!!!!!!!"
The very next day, the website said something else regarding this issue - I do not remember the exact wording.
Two days later, this was posted on their website, and it still remains:
"NOTICE!!!
A hardy congratulation is due to our loyal customers, our good friends, and our fellow shooting enthusiasts through out this great nation! Due to the diligent and overwhelming effort of many thousands of you, calling, writing, and emailing our elected officials, DOD Surplus, LLC, has rescinded its prior directive that ALL small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled. This was a huge victory for common sense and we would like to thank each and every person who made an effort and played a role in correcting this mistake. We at Georgia Arms are proud of everyone who took the time and had the courage to stand up for our rights. We believe, that by your outpouring of anger and dismay, you not only extended our liberty and freedoms but also took a stand for economic common sense in a time when we know our government should be trying to reduce costs at all levels rather than throwing money away for some politically correct reason or the other. Again, our hat is off to everyone who helped and thanks to God as well. We will roll up our sleeves and go back to work; we have 223’s and 308’s to build! (Below is a copy of the email we received from DOD on 3/17/09 @ 4:30pm)
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!!
(This was pertaining to an outstanding bid on a lot of brass that we won prior to the mutilation order. DOD sent us a bill for the brass after we had refused it due to the mutilation requirements. DOD on Monday sent us a bill for the brass and when we responded that we had already refused it due to the mutilation clause, we received this reply via email.)
I am sorry you hadn’t been informed –
Word came down that all shells 50 caliber or smaller CAN still be purchased without the mutilation requirement as long as kept in the US.
(As it was in limbo, I did not sent your EUC to Battle Creek until today, also why I have not contacted you for payment until today.)
Thanks!"
Looks like it has been squashed - for now.
That is outstanding!
We all need to keep our guard up though...this type thing is a policy change. All that has to happen is a directive from SecDef, there is no debate and no paper trail as to who initiated it. Perfect tactic for our comrades in the current administration.
We all need to keep our guard up though...this type thing is a policy change. All that has to happen is a directive from SecDef, there is no debate and no paper trail as to who initiated it. Perfect tactic for our comrades in the current administration.
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