Religion rant (if easily offended, should probably not enter)

[Yellow 13]

What about fate. All that God has a plan for you jive? What If were pre-destined to have those opinions.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

But this is do to free will that God supposedly gave us. If he didn't give us free will, then we would love God, no matter what. The same could be possible for parents too, if we had no free will then we could possibly love them no matter what, or hate them no matter what. All according to God

....And what would be the point?

If you were forced to love, then you wouldn't know love.

If you know hate, then you know love.

If you know death, then you know life.

The Aisian religions explain it as "Yin and Yang." Science teaches "For every action, there is a reaction."

 

[foreverpsycotic]

But this is do to free will that God supposedly gave us. If he didn't give us free will, then we would love God, no matter what. The same could be possible for parents too, if we had no free will then we could possibly love them no matter what, or hate them no matter what. All according to God

alas, we can not speculate what would happen, as we do have the right to choose.

 

[Yellow 13]

BTW everyone on this page is a SUPRA GOD (Edit: Excluding foreverpsycotic). Do I get a religion? :biglaugh:

 

[foreverpsycotic]

BTW everyone on this page is a SUPRA GOD. Do I get a religion? :biglaugh:

this is where you are wrong, as i am not:cry: . but i do accept donations of reputation ::naughty:

edit, you edited before i could post

 

[SupraDerk]

You are asking me why God did the things he did? I will tell you the lottery numbers about the same time.

All animals have free will. We cage them against their will for our benifit. We were given dominion over them. Animals taste great!

If anybody rejects the Lord, he says no problem. The real "hell" as described in the Bible is isolation from him. Just what you want.

So a dog can love God and potentially go to heaven or deny him and potentially go to hell? I don't believe that. If so, why isn't there church for animals?

And still, if he loves us so much, why would he give us the opportunity to deny him and spend all of eternity isolated from him when he could've easily just not given us free will and ensured we'd all spend eternity WITH him?

 

[MDCmotorsports]

What about fate. All that God has a plan for you jive? What If were pre-destined to have those opinions.

GREAT QUESTION! It works like this. Your life is a tree. Examine that tree. It has a base, a trunk, branches, stems, leaves, and capilaries in those leaves. At the end of each capilary (sp?) is the termination of the path from ground to sky.

And so is Gods plan for you and "fate" or "predestination".

Your life is the tree as a whole, but all of your choices and where they end are those little capilaries in the leaves.

Immagine a giant oak tree with millions of leaves, and even more millions of capilaries in the leaves.

God knows every path you could go - you have the choice. The paths to a human mind are infinite.

 

[SupraDerk]

....And what would be the point?

If you were forced to love, then you wouldn't know love.

If you know hate, then you know love.

If you know death, then you know life.

The Aisian religions explain it as "Yin and Yang." Science teaches "For every action, there is a reaction."

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure if he created love he could allow us to feel love. Then 100% of the beings he created could be with him. So why free will? Why give people the chance to be hurt?

 

[foreverpsycotic]

So a dog can love God and potentially go to heaven or deny him and potentially go to hell? I don't believe that. If so, why isn't there church for animals?

And still, if he loves us so much, why would he give us the opportunity to deny him and spend all of eternity isolated from him when he could've easily just not given us free will and ensured we'd all spend eternity WITH him?

it sais in the begining of the bible (albeit a made up story about adam and eve IMO) that all manner of beast and bird and fish were placed on the earth for man to rule over.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

So a dog can love God and potentially go to heaven or deny him and potentially go to hell? I don't believe that. If so, why isn't there church for animals?

And still, if he loves us so much, why would he give us the opportunity to deny him and spend all of eternity isolated from him when he could've easily just not given us free will and ensured we'd all spend eternity WITH him?

Youre missing the point.

Free will = pure love = God

No free will, no God simply stated since you can't grasp this subject.

 

[7MA61]

 

[Yellow 13]

GREAT QUESTION! It works like this. Your life is a tree. Examine that tree. It has a base, a trunk, branches, stems, leaves, and capilaries in those leaves. At the end of each capilary (sp?) is the termination of the path from ground to sky.

And so is Gods plan for you and "fate" or "predestination".

Your life is the tree as a whole, but all of your choices and where they end are those little capilaries in the leaves.

Immagine a giant oak tree with millions of leaves, and even more millions of capilaries in the leaves.

God knows every path you could go - you have the choice. The paths to a human mind are infinite.

But doesnt god know past, present, and future? So shouldnt he know what all my choices are gonna be?

If he doesnt and I asked him what I was gonna do next and he were wrong, Him being infalliable (Sp) and all. Wouldnt the world end or some shit?


I guess if he said "I dont know" Then he'd be right and we'd all be ok.

 

[SupraDerk]

GREAT QUESTION! It works like this. Your life is a tree. Examine that tree. It has a base, a trunk, branches, stems, leaves, and capilaries in those leaves. At the end of each capilary (sp?) is the termination of the path from ground to sky.

And so is Gods plan for you and "fate" or "predestination".

Your life is the tree as a whole, but all of your choices and where they end are those little capilaries in the leaves.

Immagine a giant oak tree with millions of leaves, and even more millions of capilaries in the leaves.

God knows every path you could go - you have the choice. The paths to a human mind are infinite.

So God's plan for me is every possible choice I could have ever made in life? The fate that he chose for me is not determined until I die? That's like saying hindsight is 20/20 isn't it?

If that's the case then every dead person's fate can be "predicted"

 

[MDCmotorsports]

But doesnt god know past, present, and future? So shouldnt he know what all my choices are gonna be?

If he doesnt and I asked him what I was gonna do next and he were wrong, Him being infalliable (Sp) and all. Wouldnt the world end or some shit?

Well as we all have a calling to have a direct and personal relationship with God, you just let me know when you actually can hear God's voice.

Yes God knows all of your choices - EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IN THIER INFINITE POSSIBILITIES.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

But doesnt god know past, present, and future? So shouldnt he know what all my choices are gonna be?

If he doesnt and I asked him what I was gonna do next and he were wrong, Him being infalliable (Sp) and all. Wouldnt the world end or some shit?

a great question yellow, and the answer is yes he does know what all of your choices will be, but he allows you to choose and create your own destiny instead of following a fate line like the ancient greek religions.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

So God's plan for me is every possible choice I could have ever made in life? The fate that he chose for me is not determined until I die? That's like saying hindsight is 20/20 isn't it?

If that's the case then every dead person's fate can be "predicted"

Um no you missed the point entirely.

God has MANY plans for you, but KNOWS EVERY PATH AND CHOICE THAT YOU WILL MAKE.

 

[Yellow 13]

a great question yellow, and the answer is yes he does know what all of your choices will be, but he allows you to choose and create your own destiny instead of following a fate line like the ancient greek religions.

Greek religious characters were stolen from the Babylonians and renamed.

 

[SupraDerk]

Youre missing the point.

Free will = pure love = God

No free will, no God simply stated since you can't grasp this subject.

That's flawed...because God created everything. If God chose not to create free will, then there'd be no free will right? Or are you saying free will created God? In which case man would've created God

 

[foreverpsycotic]

Greek religious characters were stolen from the Babylonians and renamed.

then you understand where im coming from?

 

[Yellow 13]

Where did God come from?