Religion rant (if easily offended, should probably not enter)

[MDCmotorsports]

Look at the human genome and then look at the genome of a mouse, there isn't much that differs, this supports theory that we all came from the same original single celled organisms and due to natural selection different species have evolved.

Means nothing.

Simply a building block.

Just because one vehichle uses the same turbo as another - doesn't mean they are the same.

Also, since you want to talk genetics:

The natural vibration frequency of the human geene and the white mouse geene are both 42.

 

[7MA61]

If your neighbors house was burning down, would you tell them?

Depends which neighbour, the one to the left yes, the one to the right no:icon_razz

 

[SupraDerk]

And other on your side complain about being forced to do something. :3d_frown:

How could it be any other way?

I kind of think I understand what you mean by that, but I'm not sure. Could you elaborate on that (seriously not trying to be rude or anything )

 

[Kai]

House burning down? Not my job - they should have bought a smoke alarm - it aint my job to point out the flamin obvious

 

[7MA61]

Means nothing.

Simply a building block.

Um thats my whole point everything evolved from the same building block ie single celled organisms and hence share a fairly common genome.:biglaugh:

 

[MDCmotorsports]

But Swaq just said God gave us free will in order to choose or not choose him. So if we were meant to be with him, why would he give us the opportunity to burn in hell?

And once Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, couldn't he have just fixed it so that it was like it never happened? He created everything, so couldn't he just turn back the clock a little or tweak them a little and give them back their holiness? (I think I spelled it right , haha)


But about Dolphins from wolves. I don't know if those two are on the same evolutionary path, but I'm sure if you follow the fossil records far enough back you'll see where they'd have a common ancestor

Well burning in hell isnt really an opportunity. :nono:

Its a choice.

And you might be shocked to know its a bi-product. It wasn't created for us. It was created for satan and any Angel, being, or person who decides to join his army. This includes people who deny Christ and God.

As for the dolphin vs wolf - there isn't any fossil records to prove it.

 

[Nick M]

But Swaq just said God gave us free will in order to choose or not choose him. So if we were meant to be with him, why would he give us the opportunity to burn in hell?

What don't you get about free will?

And one Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, couldn't he have just fixed it so that it was like it never happened? He created everything, so couldn't he just turn back the clock a little or tweak them a little and give them back their holiness? (I think I spelled it right , haha)

He did. Just because you are narcissistic doesn't mean he is.

But about Dolphins from wolves. I don't know if those two are on the same evolutionary path, but I'm sure if you follow the fossil records far enough back you'll see where they'd have a common ancestor

The connection to mammals and fish is greatly exegaterad and well documented.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

Um thats my whole point everything evolved from the same building block ie single celled organisms and hence share a fairly common genome.:biglaugh:

So you mean to tell me that since my supra has a to4E in it that is must of come from Catapiller industries and was a semi truck?

Nope, don't buy it.

 

[Nick M]

I kind of think I understand what you mean by that, but I'm not sure. Could you elaborate on that (seriously not trying to be rude or anything )

So he should force you to love him? Is that how it works with people in your life?

I am glad some of you are so dense that you do not get the analogy to judging people and your house burning down.

 

[Kai]

I'm so dense, i float in water.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

I'm so dense, i float in water.

You may if you keep eating all that peanut butter and wearing those frozen shoes.

 

[SupraDerk]

What don't you get about free will?

I know about free will. But if we're supposed to be with God then why create us with free will? What purpose does it serve?

He did. Just because you are narcissistic doesn't mean he is.

Narcissistic...no, but it's a good word to describe a lot of religious folks. I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where Adam and Eve became holy again and humans were able to see and speak to God without some kind of prophet like Jesus

 

[SupraDerk]

So he should force you to love him? Is that how it works with people in your life?

I am glad some of you are so dense that you do not get the analogy to judging people and your house burning down.

You still haven't explained what the need for free will is. If I'm creating something something why would I create it to be able to hate me? Why don't dogs, cats, rocks, fish, dirt ... etc have free will?


If what I created never had choice, how could it ever miss free will? How could it feel sad about not having a choice? Nothing would ever oppose me as God, so therefore I would not be setting it up to potentially feel pain forever (ie hell)

 

[Kai]

It's all america's fault for making this peanut butter, its so good, it is actually illegal to posess here. Had to have it smuggled into the country in a 'care package'

 

[MDCmotorsports]

I know about free will. But if we're supposed to be with God then why create us with free will? What purpose does it serve?

It serves the Ultimate Love. The love of free will.

 

[Nick M]

Look at the human genome and then look at the genome of a mouse, there isn't much that differs, this supports theory that we all came from the same original single celled organisms and due to natural selection different species have evolved

Two things, you are obviously overstating the simliarities to humans and a mouse. Something are obviously the same. We breathe the same air, drink the same water, and even eat some of the same food. They were created in the same world we were, so they should have some important similarities.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

You still haven't explained what the need for free will is. If I'm creating something something why would I create it to be able to hate me? Why don't dogs, cats, rocks, fish, dirt ... etc have free will?


If what I created never had choice, how could it ever miss free will? How could it feel sad about not having a choice? Nothing would ever oppose me so therefore I would not be setting it up to potentially feel pain forever

when perants create their children (god creating us all) the parents have no way of making us love them. instead they allow you to hate you, but remain there in case you come back to love them

 

[Nick M]

You still haven't explained what the need for free will is. If I'm creating something something why would I create it to be able to hate me? Why don't dogs, cats, rocks, fish, dirt ... etc have free will?


If what I created never had choice, how could it ever miss free will? How could it feel sad about not having a choice? Nothing would ever oppose me so therefore I would not be setting it up to potentially feel pain forever

You are asking me why God did the things he did? I will tell you the lottery numbers about the same time.

All animals have free will. We cage them against their will for our benifit. We were given dominion over them. Animals taste great!

If anybody rejects the Lord, he says no problem. The real "hell" as described in the Bible is isolation from him. Just what you want.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

You still haven't explained what the need for free will is. If I'm creating something something why would I create it to be able to hate me? Why don't dogs, cats, rocks, fish, dirt ... etc have free will?


If what I created never had choice, how could it ever miss free will? How could it feel sad about not having a choice? Nothing would ever oppose me so therefore I would not be setting it up to potentially feel pain forever

Interesting question.

Id like to think of it both or one of two ways:

-Either the animals worship God in a way we don't know
-The animals were made just for us and not for God.

It's all america's fault for making this peanut butter, its so good, it is actually illegal to posess here. Had to have it smuggled into the country in a 'care package'

And you call us Christians "absurd" for thinking that there is an All Mighty Creator and yet you have to have bloody freakn peanut butter smuggled in across the big pond?!?!?!

HOLY SMASHING PUMPKINS LUV!

 

[SupraDerk]

when perants create their children (god creating us all) the parents have no way of making us love them.

But this is do to free will that God supposedly gave us. If he didn't give us free will, then we would love God, no matter what. The same could be possible for parents too, if we had no free will then we could possibly love them no matter what, or hate them no matter what. All according to God