what kinda oil to use in 1j?

bountykilla0118

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i agree the man is great to bounce ideas off because he knows alot. But that does not make anyone wrong or right unless you have something to show that cant be argued basically the difference between fact and opinions(even really well reasoned ones). I am not sayin he is not telling the truth nor do am i saying that i agree i just say show me the hard core fact from all this "research".

It would be great to have actual bearing wear from any car to support the cold start with the different brands and viscosity.

Other wise its just like when people say the 1jz have no torque but people change that way of thinking when the 1jz puts out 650rwhp and 570lbs of tq because it is proven :)
 

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I was going to go into this long explanation of how a journal bearing works on automotive engines...it's a lot more complicated than it looks. But decided not to do that for fear of multiple eyes glazing over staring at the screen. ;)

If you want to know more, Google boundary, hydrostatic, and hydrodynamic lubrication....journal bearings go through all 3 states as rpm increases from zero up, but primarily operate in the hydrodynamic region.

The number one reason bearings fail is due to contamination or (more obviously) lack of oil. Ask anyone that's had a BHG and didn't change the oil right away...I am convinced this is what causes rod knock in the majority of the motors you see on this forum. In the old days, air and oil filters were not that great and would allow dust to get into your oil. Bearing clearances were also not as tight a tolerance and the oils were not as good either. This is where the 50W and change your oil every 3000 miles came from. A heavier weight oil does a very good job of encapsulating particles suspended in it...this would reduce the wear to the bearings by keeping the particle from direct contact with the bearing surface. The larger clearances allowed the heavier weight oil to flow without producing excessive pressure due to restriction.

Fast forward to the present. Filter and oil technology has come a long way...synthetic oil will handle the heat produced much better without big reductions in viscosity; a good filter keeps most particles out of the oil. Bearing clearances are a lot tighter making oil flow through the bearing much more important to keep the proper film thickness (pressure) and to keep the bearing cool. A lighter weight oil will flow through a modern bearing much better. Take a look at what oil the various racing teams are using worldwide today on some extremely high HP motors.

Now, am I ever going to be able to prove by a study on the bearings used in Supra motors the effect of a 50W oil over time? No, I'm not...it's never going to happen. I don't have access to a statically large enough sample of engines. Any pictures I may be able to come up with could also have damage from other causes...you would have to know exactly what the owner did to determine the cause. The only way to prove anything would be to have a controlled study...there are too many variables in bearing dynamics and outside conditions that will affect the evidence. So, asking me to "show proof" is an impossible question to answer.

Based on what I know about modern lubricants and filters:

- A true synthetic oil is best...especially for the heat a turbo motor produces. A synthetic can go 8,000 miles easy between changes w/ a filter change at 4,000 miles. But, if that bothers you, an oil/filter change at 5,000 miles will work. If you really want to know what's going on in your motor, have an oil analysis done every 5,000 miles and keep running it until the Total Base Number (TBN) drops to 2-3. An analysis will also tell you what contamination is in the oil and the wear metals present...other good reasons for changing the oil (not to mention figuring out why these are present).

- Use the best filter you can get. Particles as small as 10 microns can case wear to bearing surfaces. Like I've said many times, Wix or PureOne are the best...if you really want to keep your oil clean, get a remote dual filter head and use a Wix/PureOne in combo with a Trasko bypass filter. The ultimate is the Canton/Mecca set-up. It all depends on how much you want to spend ;)

- Use the weight oil that will give you a 10 psi increase in pressure per 1000 rpm. On a Supra 7M (the way the oil relief valve is set-up) 40-60 psi is about optimum. I shimmed the relief valve (2 washers) on my new oil pump to provide 10-15 psi at idle and 40-50 psi at 3000 and above rpm. If the 1J motor uses the same type pump, this holds true. Typically a multi-grade 30W on a newer motor or a multi-grade 40W on a high mileage motor will provide all the pressure you need and the flow (especially at start) to keep the bearings working as designed. Keep in mind heavier weight oils produce more pressure due to restriction caused by viscosity through the bearings. It reaches a point where more pressure is not better, especially cold...this is the major reason why I don't use 50W oil.

- You can use whatever oil you want...almost any modern oil will work fine in any motor. At least look at the oil data sheets (available at company websites) so you know exactly what you're putting in your motor viscosity wise...it might surprise you. Additive packs are important as well...viscosity improvers like soluble moly are a plus for cutting down engine wear. If you're going to invest the $$$ in this car, at least know what your running in it.
 

bountykilla0118

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JDUB when u moving to atlanta sooo i can bug you every day and pick your brain for all this good info man???? You have my all my respect :) however i still use 20w-50 (my 7m)in my 90-100degrees in the summer time :evil2: and 10w-30 in my mild winters ...... But honestly i do see the light i 10w-30 syn. will do just fine in the summers
 
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I'm originally from Birmingham...right next door...Mom still lives there ;)

Yes you can run a 10W-30 all year...if you want to make a winter change, go to a 0W or 5W-30 in the winter. If your motor has a lot of miles on it, go to a 10W-40 in the summer. The big reasons I like the German Castrol is 1) it's a true synthetic...2) it's on the "thick" side for a 30W at operating temp...3) it flows very well even cold...4) I can use it all year long here in AZ.
Whatever oil you use, keep using a synthetic...your turbo will thank you for it ;)
 

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The Mobile 1 is a Champion filter with a cellulose/synthetic blend media...it's a very good filter, but you are going to pay double for it.

If you like that filter, the K&N is also a Champion filter (same design) with a different media, but it flows a bit better than the M1 and is also cheaper. Bank for the buck, it's hard to beat a PureOne or a Wix ;)

Change the filter every 4-5,000 miles.
 

The Reaper

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where do they sell PureOne's or Wix?

i've never seen em

i might have seen a PureOne at Advance or AZ but it just sounds mad generic so i steered clear from em
 

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I've heard the PureOne filter doesn't flow very well. I'm not sure if theres a napa around the area to get a Wix.. I guess I'll probably just stick with K&N.. that nut comes in handy sometimes.. I think the M1 is cheaper then the K&n though.. like $9 vs $12..
 

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reaper - Pep Boys carries the PureOnes...NAPA Gold is a Wix. You can get filters on-line for good pricing.
That's a great link!

tissimo - if the M1 is cheaper where you are, use it vs the K&N...cellulose/synthetic blend media material is better quality.
The PureOne filter flows plenty well enough for our motors.

For those that might have missed it...the Wal-Mart SuperTech is also a Champion filter ;)
Different media from the M1 or K&N, but a well designed filter that does a good job.
 

The Reaper

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yea the M1 is cheaper here but the K&N has the little nut thing for a socket wrench so its a little easier to take off but i dont know if that nut is worth the extra $3
 

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its probably safe to run the german castrol 0w-30 oil in the winter but is it safe to run it in the hot hot heat in oklahoma during summer?
 

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Well...take a look at the summer temps here in AZ (115 deg in July).
Ran it for two summers now...oil pressure stayed right where I like it ;)