Quit your job at McDonalds and get a better job. Save your money and buy new struts and springs.
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Quit your job at McDonalds and get a better job. Save your money and buy new struts and springs.
albo_bizak;1015530 said:
Quit your job at McDonalds and get a better job. Save your money and buy new struts and springs.
I know someone who works at McDonalds, makes a ton, and goes to school.
His grades aren't as good as mine, but he's helping his family. 10.50 an hour for flipping burgers isn't bad these days, IMO. (he doesn't flip most of the time, he just serves)
Zumtizzle;1015529 said:I also like to contest what Joe says MK4 owners don't get in the spot light because they don't post when they blow their Head Gaskets or blow their motors and quietly send them off to Sound Performance or who have ya, and cut them a check and have it fixed with the works. I'm also sure they have ghetto mods out there but not cut springs because even cutting one coil ruins the delicate engineering for the spring.
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The difference is usually they can afford to fix their mistakes and you don't hear about it as much because it's an opportunity to take a negative and turn it into a positive. Some of the most built Supras came about from a simple replace or upgrade plan that snowballed into a full build from the ground up.
When a problem happens, broke ass shit owner posts "My Supra don't run and leaks green stuff, wut does I do?" Owner that can afford the car he bought says "Ran into some problems. Just got Supra back from some upgrades."
OneJoeZee;1015536 said:
That explains most of the stroked Supras. :icon_bigg
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=486801&highlight=green
^ Remember theres always exceptions Joe.
Every community has it's idiots/cheap people but I don't know about this community. :nono: I'll crush my car before i sell it to anyone.
Quick, somebody find that video on YouTube of the car with blown shocks hitting the brakes at 25 MPH and getting the rear end hopping 3ft off the ground because of the shitty shocks.:biglaugh:
you just can't stand that someone would make a car look better for a little while with cut springs and then get a good suspension setup. getting the car down from looking like a truck. the fact remains that if someone lowers thier car by cutting the springs and you say that they will halfass everything is a stupid and rediculous statement and you should be ashamed of yourself.
drift40;1015575 said:
I've done the ghetto mod route. It's not worth it. Hell, I destroyed my first MKIII by doing ghetto mods. I know a lot of members on here will agree with me that I'd rather save up $1400 for a really nice set of adjustable coilovers (such as my TEIN Flex Control Master's) and suffer with the stock ride height in the mean time then to ride around in a Supra with a very dangerous suspension setup. Having cut springs can cause major damage and quite easily cause a major accident to due heavily reduced ride quality.
drift40;1015575 said:
i wasn't going to say anything in this thread, but it seems inevitable.
who cares if it looks like a truck, it's not your car, so don't worry about it. if it IS your car, save up for a proper setup. the reason people think if you half ass something, you'll half ass everything is the mentality that is has become so mainstream to do so. there is a difference between a cheap owner and a broke owner. cheap owner = free shit to upgrade stupid things. broke owner = wants an upgrade to a particular part, but doesen't have cash. sadly, most broke owners are cheap owners. i, for one, am a broke owner. i want to upgrade a lot of things, but i'm going to wait until i come up with the money to buy a proper upgrade for it.
i remember one of my buddy's wanted to cut his springs on his car. i owned his ass everytime he would mention it, til he finally came up with cash for a set of springs. then he rode in a car that had cut springs and thanked me for making him hold out.
Project N00b wants his car lower and doesn't have money right now, but cutting springs is/was never an option (thankfully!
), he keeps bugging me for my eibach springs. It feels good to see a MKIII owner that cares for his car enough to not sacrifice something as big as suspension just to lower his car. if you can't afford it, save for it. don't cheap out. it will just hurt in the end. Cutting Springs is not only stupid, but dangerous!
Calm down, take two steps back and breathe deeply.drift40;1015575 said:
Chances are, Joe is speaking statistically rather than finger pointing at you in particular.
That said, you appear to be dangerously close to becoming a member of the statistical group he is upset with. Let's call them the Ghetto Crew. The Ghetto Crew is a real problem, and it's not a new problem, we've seen it crop up time and time again. Essentially it goes something like this:
- Guy buys Supra.
- Guy couldn't really afford Supra, so he doesn't have any spare cash.
- Guy can't afford to maintain Supra, so it's constantly broken.
- Guy is always online here, asking for help, handouts, knowledge, and bemoaning his constantly breaking Daily Driver Supra. (One guy actually claimed he was going to live in his non-running Supra on the street so he could save enough money to buy a 2JZ swap for it. I mean, seriously, WTF?)
- Guy loses Supra (blows it up, crashes it, mother takes it away, can't pay for speeding tickets and loses his license, etc)
I'm not making this shit up - it's happened, HUNDREDS of times, and yes, we've had a mom take away her son's Supra.
man guys you bombed on him so bad he's not even defending himself, ill tell you what he is supose see me today or this weekend i forget, ill tell you how it rides, if its a bouncy 3 ton car from hell or if it actually did better, because you say toyota did there time in making sure that their spings were perfect, maby so, most car manufacters do, but yet they still couldnt make a soild cast were that expansion plug was in the EGR cooler. some cars arent nessisarly that bad after a cut spring job, yes it is cheap, not the most effective. but the thought crosses many peoples minds to do it because they just dont have the money. i will review the ride qualitys of it when i see it today and inform you if its a "pogostick" or if it is actually better. 1 - 1 1/2 coils isnt much of a difference. now what i saw from another post on melting them to sag them is a better way of doing it, your spring rate will be near the same but it will still bounce but it will still have the support of those extra coils and will also still have room to expand to its fullest so its not popping off the boot or whatever that thing is called again. the design in a spring is very important expecially when your building a car for a specific sport "autocross/drifting/drag/ect.." but if your just using it for looks and dont care then shit just cut them. but again thats only if its for a sittin pretty car. if the ride isnt that bad and it feels close to stock then your probably still in the good for a daily driver, but i would still recommend getting real springs and new shocks. blues and ebaich at least. if you have the money and your really into A.driving it hard "like most of us do" or B. are planning on taking it out for runs on the track then you might as well go with coil overs w/ adjustable dampeners
How exactly do cut springs blow the shocks, as opposed to just lowering springs??
I wouldn't cut the springs just because with less compression height you need a stiffer spring to keep from bottoming out.
Did I just answer my own question?
Don't criticize him for doing something cheap. The problem is not that it's cheap, even though that's why he did it.
I wouldn't cut the springs just because with less compression height you need a stiffer spring to keep from bottoming out.
Did I just answer my own question?
Don't criticize him for doing something cheap. The problem is not that it's cheap, even though that's why he did it.
GrimJack;1015593 said:
Thank you, Grim.
Shit owners all had to start somewhere. It's not like I'm making this up. I and others like Grim have been here long enough to see shit owners come and go because they couldn't afford to own their car. It's happened far too many times to count here. Anybody who's been around here for awhile will say the same thing. Look at the bad rep the 7M has for BHG and rodknock. Who is ultimately at fault? Shit owners and shit members who glorify treating a Supra like shit.
If this offends you, then good. It's probably because you're part of the group who sees nothing wrong with cutting corners and tries to compromise by saying "it's just springs." Replace springs with any other part of the car and it's the same. This guy may not be a shit owner yet and have a nice example of a Supra but starting with cut springs, I won't be surprised if there's threads posted a month or two from now about typical BHG followed by rodknock issues.
I'd rather have a bone stock clean 4X4 Supra than a 400hp shitbox example.
These cars deserve better than to be treated like a civic(no offense to anyone with a clean honda). Something is very wrong when a clean Supra is the exceptional and not the standard.
I'm going to want another Supra eventually and I'm not looking forward to searching through a ton of shit Supras.
89+ springs will lower your car cheaply, or if you have some money (but still wanna be a cheap skate) you can go for TT-R springs...
there's no excuse for cutting springs...
there's no excuse for cutting springs...
see the problem is that I drift on those cut spring that everyone and their brother is critizing. I know that a proper suspension is the best bet. but to say that someone with cut springs is ghetto and have no idea of what they are doing is a bad statement. there is no other way around the fact that cut springs are the lowest on the totem pole hell they could even be the dirt that the totem pole sits on, but it is all up to the person to gain some idea on how to mod their own car. cut springs have been around since the first person whanted a lowered car and the fact is that some of the people we look up to now laugh at someone doing the samething, it's not that they are laughing at that person they are laughing at theirselfs cause they did that when they were in the same spot. lastly if you have the money go for it. if you can save the money go for it. if you want to try things your own way then i will support you in that cause that is how this person is going to help the next person that trys the samething. *sigh*
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