Supracentral said:
Agreed, its like preaching abstinence as a means of birth control. There is nothing wrong with the theory...Except that it doesnt work in the real world.
War on Drugs = failure
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Agreed, its like preaching abstinence as a means of birth control. There is nothing wrong with the theory...Except that it doesnt work in the real world.
JustAnotherVictim
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I'm sure Chappelle was high a lot. Richard Pryor sure as hell was, both of them are hilarious. :icon_biggbigaaron said:
SupraOfDoom said:
People choose to destroy themselves like that. Let them do it.
How many people are killed in car accidents each year? We should ban cars.
JustAnotherVictim
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DreamerTheresa said:
I guess it's fine that people destroy themselves if that's how you want to look at things. The problem is that others get dragged down with them.
Lets have somebody in the group who's parent(s) were drug addicts or complete drunks who couldn't perform their duties as parents speak up about 'others' who suffer as a result of the addiction. I was lucky enough to have sober parents, but I know people who weren't as lucky.
As long as the issue goes beyond simply chosing whether or not to destroy yourself, and as long as a substance can't be used in a non-abusive manner (such as alcohol, and I will even grant you pot to a point), then we have a responsibility to ban it. Isn't that obvious? EDIT: and that obviously doesn't apply to cars, life, bananas, or whatever other comparison people want to try and make - all can be used without abuse.
JustAnotherVictim
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So we agree - alcohol can be used without abuse, and I've already said that. I also said that marijuana can be used without abuse to a point, and I think legalization of it can be fairly debated.
There is absolutely no way you can say that heroin, crack, cocaine, meth, etc can be used without abuse - they all result in rapid and complete intoxication with a freakishly strong possibility of a liife destroying addiction. If you believe they can be used responsibly or without abuse then please give your supporting arguments of how that is, because that would be the meat behind your position of across the board drug legalization. But, I don't believe the beef is there to begin with.
There is absolutely no way you can say that heroin, crack, cocaine, meth, etc can be used without abuse - they all result in rapid and complete intoxication with a freakishly strong possibility of a liife destroying addiction. If you believe they can be used responsibly or without abuse then please give your supporting arguments of how that is, because that would be the meat behind your position of across the board drug legalization. But, I don't believe the beef is there to begin with.
Shytheed Dumas said:
That's amazingly level headed. +1.
Shytheed Dumas said:
You can easily use cocaine without the problems mentioned.
There are quite a few examples of people throughout history that have used heroin and survived it just fine. English writer John Keats comes to mind. Elizabeth Barrett Browning is another.
Even in the American old west, you'll find examples. Wild Bill Hickock and Kit Carson were both well know heroin addicts, and spent more time in opium dens than saloons...
There are also stories of people destroying themselves that we know all too well, Janis Joplin, John Belushi, Kurt Cobain, etc...
However, this is all besides the point. Would I ever use herion? No, certainly not, I know enough about myself to know better. But it's my belief that it is not your right nor is it mine to tell people what they can and cannot do to themselves.
This is the basic separation between our two philosophies. I believe that your life is yours to do with what you please, up to and including killing yourself. How can you be free when your own life isn't yours to control?
If you take drugs, and then perform illegal acts under the influence of those drugs, I believe you should be tried and convicted of those crimes. But it's still your decision to use or not use those drugs.
Again, lowest common denominator. It's a bad place to legislate from.
JustAnotherVictim
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thesandymancan said:
Theres hundred of instances like that.
George washington had acres of marijuana in the back of his house. He smoked every day.
Global teacher told me that one!
Are children more likely to die from drowning in swimming pools or guns at home? Swimming pools. Let's ban pools.
JustAnotherVictim
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Shytheed Dumas said:
Heroin, crack, cocaine, meth, etc can be used without abuse.
There, I said it, and it's true.
Brewster said:
It is true.
Ive done drugs.
I am not addicted. Havn't done anything in almost a month. And have no reason to!