War on Drugs = failure

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Shytheed Dumas said:
A fair question, and I will say it for the 10th time tonight.
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Say what? You STILL haven't answered the question...

Shytheed Dumas said:
You say anything goes as long as it doesn't tread on anybody elses rights. I think the catalyst for the revival of this topic tonight clearly demonstrates that it does negatively affect the rights of innocent people. Are you going to contradict yourself now, or agree that prohibition of drugs that show a serious propensity for abuse should be supported by even you?
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There's no contradiction. I support legislation that punishes ACTIONS that infringe on an individuals right to life, liberty & property. The act of an adult taking drugs (or drinking for that matter), does not affect me one iota. Nor does it affect you. If they decide to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, THAT act, not the drug use, is the problem.

Someone steals to support a drug habit? STEALING is the problem. If I'm successful enough to support my habits, regardless of what they are, it's not business of yours. Be it a $5 a day pot habit or a $500 a day cocaine habit. Learn the difference between the crime, the abuse and the substance. Stop trying to penalize responsible people for the actions of the irresponsible.

Drug prohibition does more to make Americans unsafe than any other factor. Just as alcohol prohibition gave us the mafia, drug prohibition has given us the Crips, the Bloods and drive-by shootings.

Consider the historical evidence: America's murder rate rose nearly 70% during alcohol prohibition, but returned to its previous levels after prohibition ended.

Now, since the War on Drugs began, America's murder rates have doubled. The cause/effect relationship is clear. Prohibition is putting innocent lives at risk.

You honestly CAN'T be this dense... Are you playing Devil's Advocate, or is there some unstated agenda that would expain your unwillingness to interject some logic into this?
 
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Supracentral said:
Say what? You STILL haven't answered the question...



There's no contradiction. I support legislation that punishes ACTIONS that infringe on an individuals right to life, liberty & property. The act of an adult taking drugs (or drinking for that matter), does not affect me one iota. Nor does it affect you. If they decide to get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, THAT act, not the drug use, is the problem.

Someone steals to support a drug habit? STEALING is the problem. If I'm successful enough to support my habits, regardless of what they are, it's not business of yours. Be it a $5 a day pot habit or a $500 a day cocaine habit. Learn the difference between the crime, the abuse and the substance. Stop trying to penalize responsible people for the actions of the irresponsible.

Drug prohibition does more to make Americans unsafe than any other factor. Just as alcohol prohibition gave us the mafia, drug prohibition has given us the Crips, the Bloods and drive-by shootings.

Consider the historical evidence: America's murder rate rose nearly 70% during alcohol prohibition, but returned to its previous levels after prohibition ended.

Now, since the War on Drugs began, America's murder rates have doubled. The cause/effect relationship is clear. Prohibition is putting innocent lives at risk.

You honestly CAN'T be this dense... Are you playing Devil's Advocate, or is there some unstated agenda that would expain your unwillingness to interject some logic into this?
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In response to paragraph #1, if my wife, child, sister, parent, dear friend or coworker abuse drugs, then then affect me a great deal. Same with those people in your life. That answers the question you said I failed to answer.
 
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Shytheed Dumas said:
In response to paragraph #1, if my wife, child, sister, parent, dear friend or coworker abuse drugs, then then affect me a great deal. Same with those people in your life. That answers the question you said I failed to answer.
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So you deal with your family, I will deal with mine and leave legislation out of it...

You want laws passed, and laws left on the books to control the sale and distribution of these substances. Now, that you've been pressed for an answer, your reply is that you need these laws to control your family?!?!?

Are you saying your family life is so messed up that you need laws to keep your family members from screwing up?
 
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Lets just finish this thing off once and for all, cuz I've got to get to bed soon:

I could be wrong here, but I don't think I am. Poll the entire American population, and you MIGHT get a majority to support ending the prohibition of pot. You WILL NOT see the same support for other drugs, by and large.

Okay, so that's how America wants it, as a whole. Therefore, the laws stand.

You want your "rights"? Go ahead, and break the laws - that's your right. You know the possible consequences, but you have the RIGHT to break them, but it's no necessity for life.

It's that simple, and we don't need to discuss these issues any more.

Damn, I'm brilliant, aren't I?!!???

EDIT: My family has no stake in this at all. We don't suffer from these problems, but I feel for every innocent child whose parent will not care for them in the most basic sense because they love a buzz more. I guess I'm weak that way.
 
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DreamerTheresa said:
The MAJORITY of "America" did NOT want to break free from Britain, either.

All this talk of the "majority." You're one of those ignorant types who believes our country is a democracy, aren't you?
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You know what, that's true. It was 75% of the people during the time of the revolution were fine. But it was the rich people who thought, we're getting taxed too much on this luxury stuff, let's break out.
 
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DreamerTheresa said:
Here's another senario--

McDonald's.

It really has no greater good. No nutritional value, etc.
However, it makes lots of people fat when abused.


Ban McDonald's?
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McDonalds is all poor people can afford! Dollar menu save's lives, it has a purpose. The more fat you have the longer you live with out food hehe. But for cereal, McDonalds at least has a purpose behind it, food. People need to eat, its just one option. Also, the main problem with McDonalds leading to fatties is people just being plain lazy... people can eat McDonalds every day and be fine if they get off there fucking asses.
 
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DreamerTheresa said:
But I DON'T blame the alcohol, that's what I'M saying. I, or the government, should have no right to tell someone what they may or may not do in the comfort of their own home.

It was my MOTHER'S fault as a person, not the fault of alcohol, alcohol manufacturers, or anyone else who uses alcohol.
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Thats cool, I'm just gonna sell a bunch of guns to kids at school, you know, knowing that, its not the guns fault some of the kids might abuse it. Obviously its the kids fault. I will at least know, that I am doing no wrong, so thats how the cig company owners
think!

Or wait, maybe I'll wait till they are all 21, I hear thats a real good number to determen a person individually.... much better!
 
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SupraOfDoom said:
McDonalds is all poor people can afford! Dollar menu save's lives, it has a purpose.
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That is a joke, correct? I'm just missing the sarcasam?

You can't be serious.
 
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HellsLegion said:
Just dont care for them.

It would ruin my golas for what I want to do in life!

I also have a job.
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Now, WHY dont you care for them? How could it POSSIBLY ruin your goals in life? ANd i have a job as well, i dont let drugs and stuff get in the way.



(kyle-jsut tryin to have some good convo, no disses!)
 
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