I know plenty of people who view doing coke as a luxury... almost akin to going out and indulging in an expensive dinner. They're not addicted, and they only do it a few times a year.
War on Drugs = failure
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Coke makes your tongue and nose numb... I never liked it... Too exspensive, and doesnt last... And it tastes funny... And it makes your front teeth numb too, and that is a the most bizarre feeling when you cant feel your front teeth...
Bill Cosby: I said to a guy, "Tell me, what is it about cocaine that makes it so wonderful," and he said, "Because it intensifies your personality." I said, "Yes, but what if you're an asshole?"
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DreamerTheresa said:!!! Is this the way it affects most people?
Yes,im with reign its not a very pleasurable buzz in my opinion.When i feel the need to "endulge" on the finer things i go buy some "top flight dro",looks like it fell out of cannibus culture and/or hightimes itself!!!!
I dunno, Im assuming it has to... Its a natural numbing agent... And your sinus cavity goes down the back of your throat, so you inevitably get it in your mouth, and you naturally lick your lips, teeth and gums with out realizing it, and the next thing you know: I cant feel my teeth! HEY! Are my teeth still there? OMG! My teef! Muh thung isth numm! Sthish shux! Imh nethuh duin sthish ugun! *5 minutes later* Im not high anymore, and my lips are still numb... I want my money back...DreamerTheresa said:
And I WOULD smoke weed, IF I wasnt allergic to it... *puke off it* But atleast weed is natural, when not treated with something...
i can't smoke weed anymore. i have a job and it just makes me fall asleep, whitch is great if thats all i have to do; or if i'm chillin' in at the hot springs.
i haven't tried coke yet, it sounds like it would be fun as an occasional thing.
i've smoked oppium (and herroin by accident), and i didn't like it. all you do is sit around and don't move.
i like mushrooms.
haven't tried acid or E, but E sounds like a fun thing to try once.
all thies things can be good, in moderation; except herroin which is just bad shit.
i haven't tried coke yet, it sounds like it would be fun as an occasional thing.
i've smoked oppium (and herroin by accident), and i didn't like it. all you do is sit around and don't move.
i like mushrooms.
haven't tried acid or E, but E sounds like a fun thing to try once.
all thies things can be good, in moderation; except herroin which is just bad shit.
DreamerTheresa said:
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I rather like it.::moebaker::
That smiley needs to be called :shifty ok.
Cars serve a purpose, and statisiticly speaking alcohol still kills far more people per yer then cars. It's un-healthy even in moderation, and it can ruin even the best of people. I don't understand why drugs of any forum are legal or socially acceptable, I can't possiably support items that have no positive affects on society. But thats just me, my opinion.DreamerTheresa said:
SupraOfDoom said:
The greatest threat to mankind and civilization is the spread of the collective philosophy.
Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group — whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called "the common good."
Throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing the common good. Napoleon served the "common good" of France. Hitler served the "common good" of Germany. Horrors which no man would dare consider for his own selfish sake are perpetrated with a clear conscience by altruists who justify themselves by the "common good".
No tyrant has ever lasted long by force of arms alone. Men have been enslaved primarily by spiritual weapons. And the greatest of these is the collectivist doctrine that the supremacy of the state over the individual constitutes the common good. No dictator could rise if men held as a sacred faith the conviction that they have inalienable rights of which they cannot be deprived for any cause whatsoever, by any man whatsoever, neither by evildoer nor supposed benefactor.
This is the basic tenet of individualism, as opposed to collectivism. Individualism holds that man is an independent entity with an inalienable right to the pursuit of his own happiness in a society where men deal with one another as equals.
The American system is founded on individualism. If it is to survive, we must understand the principles of individualism and hold them as our standard in any public question, in every issue we face. We must have a positive credo, a clear consistent faith.
The power of society must always be limited by the basic, inalienable rights of the individual.
The right to the pursuit of happiness means man's right to live for himself, to choose what constitutes his own, private, personal happiness and to work for its achievement. Each individual is the sole and final judge in this choice. A man's happiness cannot be prescribed to him by another man or by any number of other men.
These rights are the unconditional, personal, private, individual possession of every man, granted to him by the fact of his birth and requiring no other sanction. Such was the conception of the founders of our country, who placed individual rights above any and all collective claims. Society can only be a moderator in the intercourse of men with one another.
With all that said, "I can't possibly support items that have no positive affects on society." is possibly one of the most evil thoughts you could have.
You don't have the right to define what makes me happy, nor do I have the right to define that for you.
If I choose to use a drug, just because I like it, you have no right, nor reason to attempt to restrict my access to it. If however, I infringe upon your rights while under the influence of those drugs, I should, and will be punished.
Simply put, provided I don't infringe upon your unalienable rights, you should have no say in what I do, or what anyone else does.
Some parts of this post paraphrased from Readers Digest, January 1944, pp. 88-90 - Ayn Rand
Well, I see both sides of the arguement.
Sure making drugs illegal infringes on my personal rights, but the consequences of those actions DO cross over to "your" personal rights.
Take for example seat belt laws. Is it my right to determine whether or not while operating my own personal vehicle, I protect my myself against great bodily injury? I think it should be. But the seat belt laws are not there to protect me personally. They are there to protect society from unneccesary costs due to my negligence. If im injured in an accident, my insurance company has to pay that medical cost. When that cost is extrodinarily high due to severe injury or lifelong disablity, the cost get transfered to other insured drivers. If I go on disability, then the state takes over my care by using taxpayers money.
So "my" action has affected "your" life. thats the reason why seatbelt and helmet laws can and are enacted.
On the flipside, The so called "war on drugs" cost everyone money as well. Putting people in prison to serve any time for mearly carrying an ounce of pot is rediculous and puts a completely unneccesary burden on the taxpayer. Why shouldnt the drug users alone pay for this? So make the drugs legal and tax them. Thohse that want to use them recreationally will continue to do so. Those that become addicts can get treatment from programs funded by the sale of the products. Sounds like a win-win right? Well unfortunately a vast number of people of this country feel its perfectly acceptable to legislate morality. So it gonna be long row to hoe before it ever happens in the US.
Sure making drugs illegal infringes on my personal rights, but the consequences of those actions DO cross over to "your" personal rights.
Take for example seat belt laws. Is it my right to determine whether or not while operating my own personal vehicle, I protect my myself against great bodily injury? I think it should be. But the seat belt laws are not there to protect me personally. They are there to protect society from unneccesary costs due to my negligence. If im injured in an accident, my insurance company has to pay that medical cost. When that cost is extrodinarily high due to severe injury or lifelong disablity, the cost get transfered to other insured drivers. If I go on disability, then the state takes over my care by using taxpayers money.
So "my" action has affected "your" life. thats the reason why seatbelt and helmet laws can and are enacted.
On the flipside, The so called "war on drugs" cost everyone money as well. Putting people in prison to serve any time for mearly carrying an ounce of pot is rediculous and puts a completely unneccesary burden on the taxpayer. Why shouldnt the drug users alone pay for this? So make the drugs legal and tax them. Thohse that want to use them recreationally will continue to do so. Those that become addicts can get treatment from programs funded by the sale of the products. Sounds like a win-win right? Well unfortunately a vast number of people of this country feel its perfectly acceptable to legislate morality. So it gonna be long row to hoe before it ever happens in the US.
i dont care if the crap is legal or not
dot says i cant do em...so i dont
i think someone who is...excuse the expression free...white and 21 oought to be able to do as they wish,its their and their loved ones lives they are destroying..
i just wish everytime ipark in a large market city i could get a full nights sleep without those damn crack whores banging on my door at 3 in morning...hell last week i had one wanted to blow me for pocketchange..no really
i saymake that leafy green substance legal,sellit in licquor stores, tax the hell out of it, and use the moneyraised be its sale,along with money saved by not prosecutiong some dude with a joint in his ashtray,and throw it at the "hard" drugs
but then, my opinion dosent count, i'm just a truck driver
dot says i cant do em...so i dont
i think someone who is...excuse the expression free...white and 21 oought to be able to do as they wish,its their and their loved ones lives they are destroying..
i just wish everytime ipark in a large market city i could get a full nights sleep without those damn crack whores banging on my door at 3 in morning...hell last week i had one wanted to blow me for pocketchange..no really
i saymake that leafy green substance legal,sellit in licquor stores, tax the hell out of it, and use the moneyraised be its sale,along with money saved by not prosecutiong some dude with a joint in his ashtray,and throw it at the "hard" drugs
but then, my opinion dosent count, i'm just a truck driver
trucker said:
/word... but... it does lead to the question of defining hard drugs....
below is from a interesting article called MARIJUANA MEDICALIZATION: BAD CAUSE, BAD FAITH @
http://www.szasz.com/cognitiveliberties.html
by thomas szasz - AKA the rogue psychiatrist
"Prohibition was repealed because, in the end, Americans were ready to reclaim their fundamental right to drink liquor, a right that, in principle, does not differ from the right to drink milk (which may be more harmful for adults than alcohol). "
"Either we have the right to poison and kill ourselves with food, alcohol, and drugs, or we don't. For nearly half a century I have opposed drug prohibition and the increasing power of the therapeutic state. I am not arguing for marijuana prohibition. I am arguing for individual liberty, personal responsibility, and the rule of law. The way to deal with bad laws is by repealing them, not by multiplying them. "
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Supracentral said:
Evil, hah. Is it evil that I don't like 85,000 people dying per year? I guess so. I said I cannot support, that doesnt mean you can't support it, its your choice. What I wan't is for people to make the smarter choice with out it on there own, not forcing anyone to do anything. That is what I would like, but yes I know it wont happen but I can always dream.
SupraOfDoom said:
You're missing my point. I agree, 85,000 deaths is bad. Very bad.
But the types of things that are done in the name of protecting those 85,000 people are far worse than the deaths themselves.
Again, read your history and see the horrors done in the name of the "public good"... You might decide that 85,000 deaths a year is better to accept than the damned near 500,000 a year that were killed during the holocaust.
Reign_Maker said:
Jake go smoke some mushrooms. Seriously.
Thats one of the BEST feelings ever.
And xtc.
Supracentral said:
But thats the thing, just because some bad things happened for the "public good" doesn't mean there are not different ways to go about doing it that have nothing to do with volience or brainwashing, they just aren't ideal practicle ways hehe.
SupraOfDoom said:
Never look at a law for how it can be used, look at it for how it can be misused. Once you do that, you'll see where this is all going. It's a nightmare waiting to happen...
Here's an exceprt from a book I'm writing:
(Scene setup; a camp in the woods high in the mountains, somewhere in the American West. A very old man, war scarred, half blind and with one foot in the grave speaks to those standing around the fire. The crowd appears to be dressed skins and obviously are living a semi-nomadic life much like the original Native Americans.)
== snip ==
We called him Old Man. He had a name once, before the world moved on, although he won't share it with us now. I can't imagine what that life was like. But looking at him I could see what losing a life like that could do to a man if he were strong enough to survive. He was definately strong enough.
After a while Old Man spoke, "Closer children, closer! Tonight I will tell you the story of the second coming of Rome. The story of a Constiutional Republic based on freedom and liberty which was the most powerful nation in the world in the early 21st century. This is the sad the story of that nation, it's wealth, it's power, it's beauty and it's freedom. Hear the story of how that wealth, power, beauty and freedom, along with the last of hope for humanity, were destroyed in those days under the guise of protecting "the common good". Learn how the government that we spend our days hiding from came to be."
Old Man paused, a hush fell over the forest. The snapping fire and running water the only sounds for miles, as if nature itself recogized the import of his words.
He sipped his drink, "I remember the days before the dark times. Before the last of the world wars that nearly destoryed our race. I remember the days before the thought police, before the productive were sacrificed to feed the non-productive. Let me tell you what they did before the world moved on..."
He seemed to drift off for a moment. His milk clouded eyes staring off into a world and a time we could only dream of. He spoke again, a tear in the corner of his eye, "They didn't know what they were asking for. I did. A handfull of others did. Some of us tried to tell them... I tried to tell them. She tried to tell them.."
He coughed, seemed to find something in that well of inner strength, "In the end when they were burning by the tens and hundreds of thousands they screamed out "We didn't mean this!!!" and "This isn't what we wanted!", but by then it was too late."
One of the younger ones, a boy probably only 8 or 9 years old blurted out, "But teacher, how could they not know what was going to happen?! How could they not see what they were asking for?!"
Old man sighed and continued his tale...
== snip ==
You get the point... At least I hope some of you do.
We are getting closer and closer to totalitarianisim every day. We're selling our rights off to the governement wholesale. And before you laugh, remember it has happened before in history. It happened in the distant past, just read of ancient Rome before the fall. And it's happened within the last century, just learn about the rise of the Third Reich in Germany prior to the world wars...
This isn't a broken, crushed nation yet. We've still got our wealth, and our power. And we're turning all that wealth and power over to a government that is going to use it to run roughshod over our (and everyone around the worlds) rights. Don't you see it coming? Can't you feel the storm building on the horizon?
Unless we send out a big "wake up" call, I think most Americans will go down without a fight. They'll throw it all away in ignorance and bliss. And by the time they realize the horror they have created, it will be too late to take it back.
But I also I don't think the rest of the world will put up with it. They'll fight, not for freedom, but for thier own fucked up versions of hell. They won't lift a finger to save this beautiful thing, but they will fight to the death to be sure they can still carve a womans clitoris out to support thier sick religious bullshit. They fight tooth and nail for the right to beat someone in a public square for disobeying the preisthoods rules. They'll turn the world into a radioactive wasteland to be sure "the state" is not threatened.
And the collective mass of these idiots will likely wipe most of us out in the process.
I just hope none of us will ever sit by a fireside one night, overwhelmed by the stench of the mass graves and funeral pyres and think back on reading this...
Here's today's latest rights removal program, this time, for the children:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/092006search.cfm
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27380
So drug abuse doesn't affect anybody but whoever uses them. "Do whatever you want as long as you don't tread on anybody else's rights", right? I think this shows that more peope are affected, and that's just pot. Need I say more?
I rest my case.
So drug abuse doesn't affect anybody but whoever uses them. "Do whatever you want as long as you don't tread on anybody else's rights", right? I think this shows that more peope are affected, and that's just pot. Need I say more?
I rest my case.