valve stem fell...keeper question

cinciguy89turbo

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jdub;1373865 said:
Once you do that, you will need to get a head gasket kit and replace all the gaskets (including the HG) and seals. Basically you are doing a HG job. Depending on the condition of the head it might be time to consider a valve job as well while it is off.

I don't know if this is true for the newer cars, (if you wanna consider 89-90 newer) but my dad (who is 73 and is used to working on pre 80's cars) says that if you overhaul the top end the pressure will end up blowing the bottom. So i'm kind of worried about that. Any insight? I appreciate all your help so far guys
 

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cinciguy89turbo;1373984 said:
I don't know if this is true for the newer cars, (if you wanna consider 89-90 newer) but my dad (who is 73 and is used to working on pre 80's cars) says that if you overhaul the top end the pressure will end up blowing the bottom. So i'm kind of worried about that. Any insight? I appreciate all your help so far guys

No, not going to happen ;)
If your rings are good, a valve job will do a nice refresh for the motor.
 

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Reason the bottom ends usally went out after a top end job was.. People would run a motor for 150,000 . 200,000 miles... 50,000 was with bad head or heads....

they they think they got new motor and bam...

hope he has a bore scope to vid tape the fishing line valve stem hook up... i wana see it.. Fact it can be done is not point.. if it takes you 4hr.. and another 2 to find keeper... Myself i can have head off and back on in that time..
 

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IJ.;1373751 said:
Must be damn good drugs..... :nono:

This is just plain embarrasing and something I'd expect from one of our junior members.

Aw, let them try it IJ.
I for one would love to see how they would get a line, with super glue on it, down through a 6mm valve guide.
Let alone how they expect the super glue to stick to the end of an oily valve stem.
It would make for a funny YouTube vidio........
 

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gofastgeorge;1374080 said:
Aw, let them try it IJ.
I for one would love to see how they would get a line, with super glue on it, down through a 6mm valve guide.
Let alone how they expect the super glue to stick to the end of an oily valve stem.
It would make for a funny YouTube vidio........

Hey dopey, you don't put the line thru with glue on it. you put it thru clean, then fish it out the spark plug hole. after that, you use a magnet to fish out the valve stem. Then you clean the tip of the stem and glue the line to the top of the stem, slowly drop the valve back in, and pull the line out the guide. It would be more funny to see a YouTube video of you trying to get yourself out of your locked car. That seems like a challenge for you.
 

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HommerSimpson;1374073 said:
Reason the bottom ends usally went out after a top end job was.. People would run a motor for 150,000 . 200,000 miles... 50,000 was with bad head or heads....

they they think they got new motor and bam...

hope he has a bore scope to vid tape the fishing line valve stem hook up... i wana see it.. Fact it can be done is not point.. if it takes you 4hr.. and another 2 to find keeper... Myself i can have head off and back on in that time..

^ and be sure the job is done right having taken the opportunity to have the valves seated and install new stem seals...
 

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IJ.;1374149 said:
^ and be sure the job is done right having taken the opportunity to have the valves seated and install new stem seals...

Not everyone has the time, inclination, and money to do that. This is maybe a way to avoid all that, if you're not in a position to do that, and a valve has dropped into the cylinder. Apparently no one here has heard of innovation, or reasoning out a solution to a problem, since those concepts are not in the TSRM.
 

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rayall01;1374179 said:
Not everyone has the time, inclination, and money to do that. This is maybe a way to avoid all that, if you're not in a position to do that, and a valve has dropped into the cylinder. Apparently no one here has heard of innovation, or reasoning out a solution to a problem, since those concepts are not in the TSRM.

I'm guessing you've never looked at any of my threads... :nono:
 

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IJ.;1374184 said:
I'm guessing you've never looked at any of my threads... :nono:

Well, your attitude in this case belies that. Or is it that your ideas are good, and all others are bad. If lewis15498 comes through for me this Saturday, I will prove my theory to all, and if not, I will find a head somewhere, cause I'm not quitting till I prove my case.
 

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rayall01;1374287 said:
Well, your attitude in this case belies that. Or is it that your ideas are good, and all others are bad. If lewis15498 comes through for me this Saturday, I will prove my theory to all, and if not, I will find a head somewhere, cause I'm not quitting till I prove my case.

You've mistaken me for someone that cares....

I'm not into Cletus Repairs.

I know what my time is worth and there's no way known I would waste it fucking around when I could do the job correctly.
(Well that and I wouldn't have dropped the valve in the first place)

You're going to waste a bunch of time and effort proving something that no matter if it works or not I still would never do.
 

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Get it on timelapse video, because we won't have all day to watch it;)

One question for the op, did the valve fall into the cylinder, or just fall down and stop in the guide?
 

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rayall01;1374287 said:
Well, your attitude in this case belies that. Or is it that your ideas are good, and all others are bad. If lewis15498 comes through for me this Saturday, I will prove my theory to all, and if not, I will find a head somewhere, cause I'm not quitting till I prove my case.

Take it easy guys, I wasnt looking to start a fight here.
Ian you know I got love for you man, but you said it was rediculous, and I'd like to take a stab at it, to see if its possible to do in a reasonable amount of time. I know its not the right way, but when you pull a head you need new gaskets which can be costly. Suppose you pull it off and find that you need to have your head resufaced to put your previously running engine back togther? Not saying this is the right way to do it, but if your flat broke, this could be money you dont have.
Ray, I came up with this idea, you corrected a flaw in it. I will come through saturday, but I'm not coming through for you, I'm coming through for us, so we can prove our case. Teamwork broski!
Who knows, maybe we will fail miserably, maybe we pull it off in 20 minutes. We won't know until we try it. Lighten up guys, its all in good fun.
 

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rayall01;1374118 said:
Hey dopey, you don't put the line thru with glue on it.

And by the time you do your song & dance, I would have the head off,
all the seats lapped, carbon cleaned off, fresh gasket on,
and be torquing the head bolts......

Who's the dope ?
 

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lewis15498;1374377 said:
Take it easy guys, I wasnt looking to start a fight here.
Ian you know I got love for you man, but you said it was rediculous, and I'd like to take a stab at it, to see if its possible to do in a reasonable amount of time. I know its not the right way, but when you pull a head you need new gaskets which can be costly. Suppose you pull it off and find that you need to have your head resufaced to put your previously running engine back togther? Not saying this is the right way to do it, but if your flat broke, this could be money you dont have.
Ray, I came up with this idea, you corrected a flaw in it. I will come through saturday, but I'm not coming through for you, I'm coming through for us, so we can prove our case. Teamwork broski!
Who knows, maybe we will fail miserably, maybe we pull it off in 20 minutes. We won't know until we try it. Lighten up guys, its all in good fun.

<Backs away NOT making eye contact as this is getting very gay> ;)