Satan;1095438 said:
I'll be talking to my guy within the next couple of days. I'll let you guys know.
Collin
Upgraded front brakes 300 zx calipers.
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I'll be talking to my guy within the next couple of days. I'll let you guys know.
Collin
Mk3runner;1095282 said:
I would get the ones from the junkyards because you can easily rebuild them. Or even exchange the junked calipers and save you a 120+ bucks.
I"ll update the part numbers for the rebuild Kit
and there is also a fuild transfer o'ring made of out teflon(i think) that you'll need that makes the rebuild piece of cake.
I'll update the part numbers and place to buy orings when i get back home.
Bad News though: For people wanting to do this swap, get the calipers like asap because in the last 6mo they are becoming pretty rare. Prices are gone up for the alunium ones but the iron ones still go for a good price. Also make sure you get the 30mm calipers of either iron or alunium. The iron ones are actually better since they dont warp as easy this is also the reason why Nissan switched over to iron calipers over the alunium in 92/93.
helpful link on the 300zx calipers to distinguish the different 4piston calipers
http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm#frontbrake
Mk3runner;1096127 said:
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What was that about Wilwood calipers being junk? LOL They have stainless pistons.. no need for dust seals.. They do not rust.
Depending on the caliper, they are available in many configurations, and the prices are not much more than the smaller 300zx calipers being discussed here, and they are brand new, with stainless pistons.. and new hardware, v/s the rusted/corroded stuff I see photos of people using.
A well designed BBK like ARZ's is well worth the 400.00 more than this cobbled together setup will run you. (Or more by the time you work out all the gremlins..)
Mine were more than ARZ's kit, but they are bigger than his lower priced kit, and they use the largest caliper/pad combo that Wilwood offers on the front, and forged billet dynalites on the back. The piston sizes are selected to maintain the correct brake bias, so there is no need for a bias valve either. The ABS works like stock, as does my stock parking brake.
You get what you pay for, and two part rotors, alloy calipers and the right brackets and lines to make it all work right is critical for these to make a long term difference on your Supra.
The stock brakes, with good pads and fluid, just about killed me and my brother after a few stops from 140mph... These upgraded brakes do not fade. I've gotten them to smell slightly, but they do not fade.. I've tried about 10 stops from 140mph.. one right after the other, and long hills, punishing the brakes, no dice, they do not fade, they do not over heat, they just work, and work and work and work... I have not raced this car, but imagine it would stop just fine under race conditions on this fully loaded street car, just fine. (The only way you can get that, is to over build/design the brakes, and that's just what I asked PB to do.. Build me the biggest brakes possible for the MK3 that would fit inside 18" rims, and build me a balanced system so the bias was right front to back, and that retained my stock parking brake.) If I was going to do this again, I'd buy my brakes from ARZ. He does work just as nice, if not better, and for a better deal.
(And no, he does not pay me to say that, I've just seen more than a few BBK's..)
Worth every penny. Fronts are GNIII 6 Piston Aluminum calipers over 14x1.38" spiral vented and slotted rotors on a custom alloy hat. These rims are one of a few that fit without spacers or other tricks.
Rears are Forged Billet Dynalite 4 piston calipers, over 14x1.25" sprial vented and slotted rotors on custom steel hats that fit over the stock parking brake, so it works just like new. Apears this setup has more room for various rims, but the SSR Comp's fit just fine in 18".
Depending on the caliper, they are available in many configurations, and the prices are not much more than the smaller 300zx calipers being discussed here, and they are brand new, with stainless pistons.. and new hardware, v/s the rusted/corroded stuff I see photos of people using.
A well designed BBK like ARZ's is well worth the 400.00 more than this cobbled together setup will run you. (Or more by the time you work out all the gremlins..)
Mine were more than ARZ's kit, but they are bigger than his lower priced kit, and they use the largest caliper/pad combo that Wilwood offers on the front, and forged billet dynalites on the back. The piston sizes are selected to maintain the correct brake bias, so there is no need for a bias valve either. The ABS works like stock, as does my stock parking brake.
You get what you pay for, and two part rotors, alloy calipers and the right brackets and lines to make it all work right is critical for these to make a long term difference on your Supra.
The stock brakes, with good pads and fluid, just about killed me and my brother after a few stops from 140mph... These upgraded brakes do not fade. I've gotten them to smell slightly, but they do not fade.. I've tried about 10 stops from 140mph.. one right after the other, and long hills, punishing the brakes, no dice, they do not fade, they do not over heat, they just work, and work and work and work... I have not raced this car, but imagine it would stop just fine under race conditions on this fully loaded street car, just fine. (The only way you can get that, is to over build/design the brakes, and that's just what I asked PB to do.. Build me the biggest brakes possible for the MK3 that would fit inside 18" rims, and build me a balanced system so the bias was right front to back, and that retained my stock parking brake.) If I was going to do this again, I'd buy my brakes from ARZ. He does work just as nice, if not better, and for a better deal.
(And no, he does not pay me to say that, I've just seen more than a few BBK's..)Worth every penny.
Fronts are GNIII 6 Piston Aluminum calipers over 14x1.38" spiral vented and slotted rotors on a custom alloy hat. These rims are one of a few that fit without spacers or other tricks.
Rears are Forged Billet Dynalite 4 piston calipers, over 14x1.25" sprial vented and slotted rotors on custom steel hats that fit over the stock parking brake, so it works just like new. Apears this setup has more room for various rims, but the SSR Comp's fit just fine in 18".
Good info, but I think the problem's been getting all of the exact details to putting a kit together. If there is a true "here's everything you need, + options, " kind of kit, I would probably go that route.
I have done "some" research and was not able to find a complete kit. Everything had to get piece-mealed from different sources and you HAD TO KNOW the exact sizes/dimensions you wanted. If there was a single-source site, etc, it was not easy for me to find and understand what I was needing/getting for looks and spirited street driving.
The hat, the Nightpager bracket, either/or, someone's still gotta fab-up something different, to fit our MKIIIs. Then the other issue was easily finding/replacing rotors from a common place like an autoparts, if necessary. Crack or warp one and you have to wait (dunno how relevant this is, or how long the wait... just what I've read on the forums).
I do need to keep my parking brakes tho...
I have done "some" research and was not able to find a complete kit. Everything had to get piece-mealed from different sources and you HAD TO KNOW the exact sizes/dimensions you wanted. If there was a single-source site, etc, it was not easy for me to find and understand what I was needing/getting for looks and spirited street driving.
The hat, the Nightpager bracket, either/or, someone's still gotta fab-up something different, to fit our MKIIIs. Then the other issue was easily finding/replacing rotors from a common place like an autoparts, if necessary. Crack or warp one and you have to wait (dunno how relevant this is, or how long the wait... just what I've read on the forums).
I do need to keep my parking brakes tho...
Gonna cross post this so people can get their facts straight on the wilwood calipers.
Also, Satan, the arz kit would probably be ideal for you as the parts are readily available from wilwood themselves, and not to mention you're not going to destroy one of their rotors nearly as easily as an OEM rotor. If you where that worried you could by backups to keep in your garage, but I doubt you'd need em...
Also, Satan, the arz kit would probably be ideal for you as the parts are readily available from wilwood themselves, and not to mention you're not going to destroy one of their rotors nearly as easily as an OEM rotor. If you where that worried you could by backups to keep in your garage, but I doubt you'd need em...
Poodles;508191 said:arz, thought you would be interested in this tidbit from the March issue of Sport Compact Car. Got a wide picture, and a shot fo the text only. Hope this helps to persuade people that Wilwood makes good stuff. On a side note though, they say that Wilwoods are lighter and cheaper than Stoptech's or Brembo's calipers, so they seem to flex under hard braking. Still, over the stock brake's crappy slides that often sieze of wear causing uneven wear...
Like alot of people mentioned before and its been well stated in many BBK threads. The Arz Kit is a superb Kit just like the kit mentioned above.
If you want to a get a decent upgrade this Nightpager Kit isnt a bad deal for the money. Also it lets you buy each item seperate rather than buying it all out in a kit for a grand or so. Which some people can't just fork up right up front.
the Kit cost me:
brackets 280.53 (silverlineracing.com)
350z (Napa United P#880250) Rotors: 85 bucks( when i worked for Napa)
Z32 30mm Calipers (brand new reman): 185 can get cheaper and better deal with friend/ebay
all i need is the shims: lets say 50 bucks
so for 600.53 Total
And the Main reason why i went this way enstead of the Arz kit because down the road, i know i'll be needing a rotor or something and i can just go to napa/autozone/dealer etc be a day out enstead of 5 days.
Plus knowing my luck, that wilwood caliper(not saying it will) be discountiued or some other issue with it and its alot easier to go this route for me. Am i provin a point or making you do this- NO its all your choice but for something better than stock and reduces brake fade like other well reputated(sp) members already proved on the forums- its a pretty good bbk.
If you want to a get a decent upgrade this Nightpager Kit isnt a bad deal for the money. Also it lets you buy each item seperate rather than buying it all out in a kit for a grand or so. Which some people can't just fork up right up front.
the Kit cost me:
brackets 280.53 (silverlineracing.com)
350z (Napa United P#880250) Rotors: 85 bucks( when i worked for Napa)
Z32 30mm Calipers (brand new reman): 185 can get cheaper and better deal with friend/ebay
all i need is the shims: lets say 50 bucks
so for 600.53 Total
And the Main reason why i went this way enstead of the Arz kit because down the road, i know i'll be needing a rotor or something and i can just go to napa/autozone/dealer etc be a day out enstead of 5 days.
Plus knowing my luck, that wilwood caliper(not saying it will) be discountiued or some other issue with it and its alot easier to go this route for me. Am i provin a point or making you do this- NO its all your choice but for something better than stock and reduces brake fade like other well reputated(sp) members already proved on the forums- its a pretty good bbk.
When on earth would you need a new rotor? Stock rotors last damn near forever and you're looking at something that's HUGE.
Like I said, they're readily available directly from wilwood, and if you damage the rotor to the point where you can't use it, I'm willing to bet the car won't be in any shape to be driven.
Calipers won't even need replacing, MAYBE a rebuild, which is cheap and unless you leave a line lock on or something stupid you'll never need it.
Like I said, they're readily available directly from wilwood, and if you damage the rotor to the point where you can't use it, I'm willing to bet the car won't be in any shape to be driven.
Calipers won't even need replacing, MAYBE a rebuild, which is cheap and unless you leave a line lock on or something stupid you'll never need it.
Poodles;1097201 said:
first of all its an example, and rotors do fade for whatever reason esp if your harder on your car, track use, etc etc etc and just for the plain simple fact that shit can happen.
I dont see why we're having an arguement over this.... Some members want to find a good, decent priced solution over stock brakes and here is a kit that will do the job. Easy as that
I'll say it agian, Am not knocking the ARZ kit- its a damn good kit! Great guy to deal with and his work is superb! Am just helping out w/ other members on the forum to get a better solution over the stock brakes.
blackgamer16;1097170 said:
I like the nightpager kit option for this reason too. I work at an autoparts store, and I like knowing that it will be just as easy finding parts for my new brake setup as it was for the old ones. This setup may not be as good as a BBK with Wilwood calipers, but I think it will work great for me and many others.
On that note, I'm willing to put some of my money on the line to get the ball rolling on this. It's very nice of blackgamer16 offering to let me borrow his setup long enough to make copies of the brackets too. Before either of us put any real time, money, or effort into this (I don't have enough free time to waste it
), how many people are interested in a kit that includes CNC machined brackets and spacers to properly center 350Z track rotors? I hope to offer the brackets and spacers as a combo for around the price of the Silverline brackers alone.So, everybody, let's have a show of hands?
Collin
Ill pick up a set if the price is right. If its not ill see what i can make them for if needed.
I prefer the a set of rings but if needed too take 2 sets of rings and an adapter. And if we got a groupbuy going, i will gladly donate some extra cash/buy extra brackets/rings.
Satan;1097441 said:
Fronts only
wesbeech;1097645 said:
Keep us updated on this? If you can get them done for a better price or faster, there's no sense in me doing the work again.
Collin