The (old) Official Gun Thread.

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shaggyskadude13

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I was looking at the new xDm9 but I've held them in person and it seems likes it would be to big for me to conceal easily. I dont know if the old xD's are the same size or not though so that might be an option. And I'll have to look into the S&W, thanks for the info.
 

Adjuster

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I second the M&P, with the CTC grip of course. (Is a very sanitary package on this pistol, the backstrap is the laser sight.)

I have the "medium" sized 9mm version with the CTC grip. (Just slightly less concealable than the compact, but hey, for a guy my size, I can conceal a full size auto pretty good, and I'd rather have the pistol fit my hand better if I ever need to use it.)

The XD's have great reviews, but I like the M&P's better for how they feel, and how they shoot. (Then again, any of the striker fired pistols like the Glock, are all pretty modern designs, and very reliable in use, but not so great in trigger pull/feel.)

That being the case, they are combat pistols, and have heavy triggers by design.

You can do a trigger job, and make them much less "gritty" to use, and even lower the pull weight. (Stock IIRC is 6lbs.. and the trigger job smooths the action/feel and shortens the amount you need to let the trigger out before it resets, so you can get quicker follow up shots. Or something like that.. :) )

On a concealed carry gun, that kind of low trigger weight, in a striker fired weapon can result in shooting yourself in the leg.. Ask that football dude about how it happens.. Just shove your pistol in your pants, and then fumble with it when it slips loose, and bang, you have arrived... LOL

Good training, and a good holster is not a bad idea on any gun, but if you do the trigger work, it's essential. It's too easy to accidently bump the trigger.
 

Justin

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Edit: Alot of bs to be replaced with.....


Is there anyone that anyone can say to help me decide between the XD9 and the XDm9?

There's a large price difference and little actual difference. Can't decide :)
 
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Mk3runner

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I just put a deposit on a vulcan ar 15. its all the local gun show had left. being in cali its a fixed mag. i closely looked and its only glued in on one side. I asked the guy and said the new ones have rivets in them to lock in place. this guy has only glue. strange finding, so what do you guys think?

also I been looking more at the *new* ar15 California version. its completely fixed. this one looks modified to the new standard. if I get this thing im gonna post up pics of this. this is kinda wild looking.
 

staehlin180

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In cali there are several kits you can buy, like the prince 50 and the bullet button, so that you can insert a 10 round magazine and lock in place. The prince 50 uses an allen screw and the bullet button allows you to remove the mag w/ a bullet tip. according to CA DOJ, the magazine must be fixed, but the definition of a detachable magazine is "A magazine that can be removed without the use of a tool or without disassembling the action". and a bullet is considered a tool you dont need to mess around with epoxeyed magwells.

You can also build an ar off of an off list stripped lower, but in cali the trick is finding an ffl who hasnt been bullied out of selling them by the state DOJ where in norcal are you? I migth be able to refer you to some ffls if you need one
 

Mk3runner

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im in elk grove at the moment. I went to the vallejo gun show yesterday. the old timer from sonoma guns is who Im dealing with on this one. its trippy. the mag release button works fine. everything does. just its glued in.

Im only dealing with the lower receiver right now. before they get too crazed on banning shit.
 

Justin

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Supracentral;1248189 said:
The M pistols are supposed to be higher quality. I don't know, I haven't had a chance to try one yet:


http://www.the-m-factor.com/

Eh, after enough research and fondling I had the dealer order me a bi-tone one. Unfortunately its back ordered until who knows when.

Not happy about it.


Does ammo go bad? I am thinking about picking up a box every time i go shopping just to stock pile alot in the event the prices go up. Any time frame on having it around?
 

Dachande

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Mk3runner;1248176 said:
I just put a deposit on a vulcan ar 15.
Get your money back quick. Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/Velocity Firearms are PURE garbage. Save your money and buy a good AR15.

pics from the range the other day
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Mk3runner

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i've heard mixed review on them. some good some bad. but being out in cali and seeing the ar15s of today. hell if I had the money a bushmaster would be in my hand right now. but this came up and the way it looks its not a fixed mag by far. i"ll take what i can get. moneys a big issue for me right now. so not trying to cheap out. but I'm going to see how this plays out.
 

Dachande

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Don't get it...save your money or you are just going to be throwing it away. Those guns have no value whatsoever, and they are of very inferior build quality. It will probably break just like these and many others.
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staehlin180

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if youre in elk grove the closest ffl would be jk supply in ione. theyre definately cool people to deal with. Im in sac, and I picked up a spikes tactical lower for about $200. Ive heard horror stories about the vulcan recievers too, the guy at JK supply had said to stick with spikes, CMMG, and stag. And in cali, you wont have to worry about any more bans on recievers by make and model. The DOJ lost the ability to ban firearms by make and model back in '07. And if nordyke gets approved, well possibly be looking at all of the stupid assault weapon laws in cali being overturned..... Hopefully :bigun2:

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Off_List_Lowers_(OLL/OLR)

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Nordyke_v._King

check out these links for more info or check out calguns.net
 

Doward

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Holy shit. Well, I can't recommend getting that, then. My AR's DPMS lower is forged 7075-T6 aluminum, mil-spec hard anodized. I'm not worried about breaking that! ;)

The XDm is a 4.5" hammer-forged match grade barrel. The barrel also has Enfield rifling, rather than polygonal. I can verify from experience, this is one HELL of an accurate pistol!

The takedown procedure has been altered, so that you don't dry fire the weapon to disassemble. I picked up my black on black 9mm XDm for $550 out the door :)

Did I mention carrying 20 rounds with you? :D
 

pparrigo

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If anyone is thinking about an AR and doesn't want to custom build one, I can vouch for the Smith and Wesson MP15 series. Tough as nails.
 

Dachande

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Those are nice, but new is out of his range as of right now. I'm not sure what the pricing/availability is on Cali legal AR's though. Just save your money, and buy what you really want when you can. A friend of mine rushed to buy an AR before the price gouging, and ended up with something he wasn't 100% satisfied with. He sold off his upper and bought what he had originally wanted and didn't really save much money in the long run.
 

Supracentral

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A gun that doesn't fire every time is more dangerous than no gun at all...

Going cheap on guns is a fools errand.
 

Mk3runner

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been reading for days on it, never heard of them jamming. now staehlin180, do they or can they sell me something that isnt a fixed 10 round?? this is the only reason that started this was this vulcan isnt. now was that $200 lower assembled? I dont really care I can build my own. just wondering.

I basically refuse to buy some bitch weapon at ten rounds.
 
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