The (old) Official Gun Thread.

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Poodles

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I went to Cabela's this weak... didn't see ONE military style rifle. No AR's, no AK's, no SKS', nothing...

They used to have RACKS of them too, hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come...

Adjuster: pics ASAP!!! I've always wanted an AUG, but the American copies are crap from what I've seen, the FS2000 might be a good alternative (and around the same price that I've seen).
 

Kai

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Got round to taking a picture for y'all....

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I know its air powered, but its still a damn gun!
 

03bamaGT

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You will most likely like the iron sights better then the scope. My scope bounced around until I got my one piece base.
 

Adjuster

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Kai, that's a dang nice air rifle.. .177 is nice and quiet too. (That is design where you prime the piston by cocking the barrel down right? I shot one of those for a few years, and my Dad still has a very nice .22 caliber one.. I think it's rated at 950fps or something like that. A very accurate rifle too.)

My first rifle was a .177 Crossman pump type air rifle. You could pump it up 10 times, and it was pretty powerful. Eventually after too many 12 and 15 pump shots, I blew out a seal, and had to tear it down to replace an 'O' ring that gave up under the pressure. It would shoot bb's or pellets, and was a great rifle for many years.

I bought my first .22 semi-automatic when I was 18. A Remington tube feed IIRC. I actually shot that rifle to death. I stopped working well after many, many thousands of rounds of ammo, and being carried around the hills of Southern California where I lived then.

Watch out for that Barrett .50.. Even with the brake, it kicks like a shotgun firing slugs. (At least it seems that way to me.) They had two of them at Impact Guns, when I bought my last rifle. One was a bolt action, and about 4k, and the other was an autoloader, and about 9k. Dang expensive ammo too. No "plinking" with that rifle in my lifetime.. (With a .22, It's not uncommon to shoot 400 rounds in a morning or more, and even with .223 or 9mm, 250 rounds of each is not out of order.)

Good thing I only have time to go shooting a few times a year lately. (At least according to my wife.. LOL)

If you like your BSA, you would get a kick out of my Ruger 1022 based target rifle. :) It has a Hogue stock, Butler Creek Carbon Fiber bull barrel, and nice 3x40 scope. Nice, light and accurate to any range the .22 is worth shooting at.
 

03bamaGT

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Not saying the scope...just make sure everything is seated correctly. Air rifles are hell on bases and scopes.
 

Kai

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This is the grouping i get with it, freehand, no bipod, just sitting in an office chair, from roughly 80 to 100 feet:

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I've burned through 200 rounds of this already, 100 regular and 100 hollowpoint (yes, you can get hollowpoint pellets here)

This is rated for 10 joules, which is the legal maximum for an air rifle without needing any kind of license, but....it's NOT illegal to buy parts to take it OVER 10 joules, and theres a 23.5 joule kit thats tempting, but expensive, after i buy a silencer, laser sight and all the rest of it, it's going to cost me as much as the TOZ-78 Custom i posted a page back :D
 

Poodles

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Only issue is with break-barrels the scope isn't mounted to the barrel so it's a bit of a pain to keep it zeroed (that's why the iron sights are where they are).

Other than that, they're great rifles and plenty powerful.
 

Adjuster

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OK, photo time for the FNH FS2000... Might take a few pages.. I took all the ones I thought people might like, and the ones that I wanted to see, but rarely found anywhere. (Like how this gun tears down for cleaing..)

Here is the rifle in the box. (Blue box of happyness.. LOL)
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Other side..
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Taken down for simple cleaning. It is so dang easy on this gun. Make sure there is no mag. Cock the rifle by pulling the charge handle back, and release it. Check to make sure there are no rounds. (Safe.) Then slide the silver square button in the middle over, and then pull it all the way out till it clicks. Then slide off the upper rail/barrel as one unit. Any sight or scope comes off this way, and it's attached to the barrel allways, so it stays true. Then slide out the charge rod/spring and bolt assy. Then slip off the buttstock pad, and remove the cocked hammer assy.
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Here is what the inside looks like.. Basicly a hollow plastic shell now. with rails that guide the bolt, and space for a battery pack, and computer for future mods like laser sights etc.
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This is the hammer assy. Everything is composite other than the springs, and some stainless screws/pins to locate things, and hold it all together.
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Adjuster

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Now the upper/barrel and rail.. this has the gas piston as well. Note that the charging guide rod is also the gas piston rod. A very good design that does not waste anything that is not needed, and it's very robust and reliable. Note that the slash cut flash suppressor is designed to reduce recoil barrel rise, as well as not being vented on the underside, so you don't dust storm yourself out when shooting near the ground while prone.
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Breach side, has a AR type rotating bolt lugs, but they are totally out there, and easy to clean when this gun is torn down. They supply the right cleaning tools with the gun, but any small tooth brush would work fine, unlike the AR where getting to this stuff can be a real PITA without the right tools/brushes. Also note that small tube, with the white poly clip around it. That is where the empty brass is pushed out of the gun, and ejected out the front of the rifle, just to the right of the gas piston block. (Basicly pushes the brass up under the sight rail.)
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Rotating AR style bolt, and the guides for the brass. Note that this is a very high quality forged part, and the machine work on it is first rate.
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Another view of the bolt and firing pin. Note the captured spring. You just release the pin, and the bolt comes out for cleaning, much like an AR, but with less crud as there is no gas used here to lock the bolt, just mechanical latches and guides.
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This is the two position gas piston port and selector. Nice if your shooting suppressed rounds, or crappy ammo, and with the larger "normal" setting, it makes for less felt recoil with fully loaded NATO spec ammo.
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Here I've removed the selector, and you can see the piston crown in the bore.. This has a rod on it that pushes on the charge guide rod that is connected to the bolt. This is the only part that becomes dirty with gas created build up, and FNH provdes the correct sized tool/scraper to clean this with the rifle.
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Here I've put the bolt and charge/guide rod back into the gun. That flat end of the rod is what the piston end would push on to unlock the rotating bolt.
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Gun with the upper partly slid back into place.. It's like putting a large autoloading pistol back together.. you just slide this into place, and then click the take down button/pin back into place and your done. Note that I've already put the hammer assy. back into the stock, and slipped the butstock pad into place that retains the hammer assy.
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Adjuster

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OK, two more of the gun back together, and with the supplied 30 round FNH magazine in place. (Note that the gun has neoprene seals around the magazine, to keep dirt out of the gun.. so mags do not drop free when the mag release is depressed. But a few moments of working with the gun shows you how to remove them one handed, and to release them both with the large plastic button near the mag well, and by pressing on the metal catch on the side of the gun, depending on how your situated.
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Alright, this is the rifle the FS2000 is replacing. It is a pre-ban Bushmaster M4 civilian model with the extended flash hider that is welded to the barrel (So they say) to make it leagal length for a rifle. (If you un-screw the long flash hider, and put a new style shorter flash hider on there, it's basicly the same as the military version M4 without the selective auto fire of course..)
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I have a 6x9x40mm scope on there, and the handle adapter. Also has a Hogue hand grip, and a standard sling. The butstock is only two position on this model/year. (I bought it way back in like 1995 IIRC.) I have fired perhaps a few thousand rounds through this rifle. Worst stuff is the WOLF, never going to buy that crap again. Other than the WOLF ammo, it will digest most anything with no problems when it's clean. Dirty is a whole other story.... That charge assist comes in handy when the gun is starting to get dirty, my major beef with this rifle is the cleaning required for it to work well every time you pull the trigger.
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So the 64,000.00 question.. How long is it compared to the FS2000? Well here is a good shot of the Bushmaster Carbine/M4 with the buttstock collapsed, and the FS2k lined up..
Notice the trigger location? The FS2K is WAY more comfortable snuggled into the crook of your arm/shoulder all the time.. Way more comfortable. And it's shorter overall, with a longer barrel, so it should have better ballistics and down range accuracy as well in a shorter package.
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OK, here is a shot of the rifles ready to go. (Stock extended.) Now the M4 is quite a bit longer overall, but would not be if it was fitted with the shorter flash hider. (But note that the military version of the FS2K has a shorter barrel too, so it's all relative I suppose.) Note the trigger to buttplate distance.. the FS2K is still more comfortable IMHO. Oh, and that 40 round magazine in the M4? It works just fine in the new gun too..
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One last item that I keep to spot while shooting.. It's a Russian collapsable spotting scope I bought in Saudi, the night a drug dealer was shot dead running past me in the Souk, by a Mutahween officer. (Religious police..) It has been a great small spotting scope, and fits into a standard magazine pouch no problem.
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Adjuster

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Kai, this one's for you. This is my .22 tack driver.. it's more accurate than I am.. and if I control my breathing, heart rate etc. is a very good .5MOA shooter at ranges up to about 100 yards, with match grade ammo. (With the cheap stuff, best I've done is 1MOA, with a flyer every now and then.)
Mostly I just go plinking with this gun, and it's digested perhaps 4k on the current setup, and another 6k on more on the original wood stock and barrel. The bolt is just slightly starting to show signs of wear.. LOL I'm actually tempted to molydisulfied coat the reciever inside and out, as it's showing signs of age, and the anti-friction coating would make the gun work better possibly. Might coat the bolt too, but it really does not need it.. Scope is a cheap 3x40mm, but works perfect for this rifle. I've been tempted a few times to buy the BSA sweet 22 that has bullet drop compensators for various common sized .22 rounds, and is a great scope for the 1022 if used in competition shooting, but this 3 power cheap-o has served me so well, I have yet to spend the money. (I'd rather buy more ammo, and go plinking!)
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The Hogue rubber overmolded stock is nice and light, and it's a perfect fit for the light bull style CF barrel. this gun is great for throwing it over your shoulder, and going for a hike, so I have a nice comfortable sling on it.
Have a few of the stock 10 round mags, and quite a few various 25 to 50 round mags.. I'm going to buy a few more before they get banned by the next round of jokers in power.. The 50 round ones seem to work really well, and they are cheap. I do have a few with metal feed lips, and they are wearing better than the cheap plastic ones, but not so much better that a few more cheap 50 rounders will not find their way into my possesion..
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Speaking of plinking.. I've wanted to buy the .22 conversion kit for my PT99 for years.. and finally did it..

Here is the PT99 with a rubber grips (the stock wood ones are nice looking, but suck for real world use when you need your pistol..)
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Here is the JAC conversion. Slide is aluminum and the two 15 round magazines are billet machined aluminum too. (Very supprised to see this, they are like artwork, as is the slide and all machine work from JAC.) The gun came stock with a polished feed ramp.. not bad for about 200.00 for the kit.
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Installed on the gun.. It's very light this way, the frame is aluminum, and with the aluminum slide as well, the gun feels like a FN5.7 in many ways.
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Slides compared.. Notice the .22 does not move the barrel at all. Simple blow back design where the Beretta design has a locking/tilt barrel that moves and tilts to aid with feeding the next round.
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I was slightly bummed to find the guide rod is not the same on this setup. I've been looking at a laser for the PT99, and I might still get it, but it will not work with the .22 JAC conversion.
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Busness end, and you can see how the .22 barrel is nice and heavy/thick, and it makes the conversion handle what small amount of recoil there is totally easy to manage. This barrel also locks with a taper fit into the front blade sight hoop, further aiding with accuracy on this pistol. I would not say it's match grade, but then again, do you really need to have a match grade .22 pistol in the real world? It will shoot sub 2" groups at 25yds, and that's FINE with me every day of the week. I'll try some match grade ammo, and a bench rest, and see just how accurate this gun can be one of these days.
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Got a gun question. How good is a Taurus PT 24/7 Pro 40 caliber. I went to a friend's pawn shop yesterday and traded my crappy Parker 40 plus $20 bucks. Altogether I paid 250 for the Parker when I bought it. It feels a lot better than the Parker and I do enjoy the thought of 15+1 rounds. I looked at my receipt and the full price was $272 with tax included.
 

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this thread makes me sad and jealous, i sold my guns for car part money :(

Anyone have any opinions or news on the magpul/bushmaster masada/acr? will it be available to the public? is it worth the wait till late 2009 for its release? Would I be better off just going with an AR or sig556?
Anyone know what to do with ammo I can no longer use? I've got a bunch of cavim 7.62 in ziplock bags. Will a range or gun store take it?
 

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tweak666;1179620 said:
this thread makes me sad and jealous, i sold my guns for car part money :(

Anyone have any opinions or news on the magpul/bushmaster masada/acr? will it be available to the public? is it worth the wait till late 2009 for its release? Would I be better off just going with an AR or sig556?
Anyone know what to do with ammo I can no longer use? I've got a bunch of cavim 7.62 in ziplock bags. Will a range or gun store take it?

just sell em on gunbroker
 

Adjuster

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The magpul/bushmaster bullpup was very tempting, but by the time it's ready to sell, Obama and his buddies will have outlawed it...

The stuff from Israel is always good, somewhat basic in many cases, but good, reliable weapons for the most part. (Uzi is a good example, as is the Galil, I'm sure I spelled the wrong, but it's basicly a .223 version of the AK47 with better machine work and plastic stocks.)

Best AK varient I've found outside of the USA made ones like Robinson arms, is the Valmet.. but they are pretty hard to come by for the most part.


On the question of the 24/7 Pro, it's a great pistol, and for that price, you now have a quality gun that should serve you well for many years. (I'm looking at the Ti 9mm version myself with Trijicon sights as my concealed carry weapon.) Has one of the best out of the box trigger actions I've found.
 

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Guess what I just picked up for $160 @ the local Army Surplus store?



Yep, a 'long rifle receiver' as the guy behind the counter called it in as. :)

This thought of building my own rifle makes the engineer in me all giddy. :D Anyone have any links to good sources of ar15 parts, feel free to post them up ;)
 
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