The (old) Official Gun Thread.

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DsBetterHalf

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Went to the firing range today with Doward and a couple of our friends. Fired a couple of different guns, but wasn't happy with the ones I tried.

After we left there, we stopped at the gun and supply store next to the range, and I found a Kahr K9 9mm that I really felt comfortable with. Anyone know anything about it? I'm not familiar with guns at all, which is why I haven't just gone out and bought one.
 

Doward

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Jesus you are fast, Laura!

We had two .38 Special revolvers (not a fan of revolvers, I must say), a SiG P229 .40 S&W, and a SiG P220 .45 ACP

I, personally, was most accurate with the .40 S&W

I've also decided that I am getting the 9mm Springfield Armory XD(m) - I decided this after handling the gun more today, as well as buying ammunition ;)

Looking into something similar to the Kahr K9 for Laura. There's a CW9 that I'm going to bring her to see hopefully tomorrow ;)
 

drunk_medic

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I bought my wife a CW9. It is a GREAT price, even brand new. One thing to note: it DOES NOT have a safety. That's right - you're in revolver territory with this one. I'm pretty sure the K9 has a safety, but I could be wrong. The K9 also has a MSRP $300 more than the CW9.
By the way, I don't know if this post-election gun blowout is affecting prices, but the MSRP on the Kahr website for the CW9 is $150 higher than what I paid.

The original idea for buying a Kahr came from a close friend of ours who moved to Colorado. His hands are small-ish, to the point that his PT92 feels a bit big for him. A friend of his wanted to sell it [needed money, I think] and he got a K9 for a great price.
When I visited him, I felt the gun, and even with my medium-smallish hands I really felt like the gun was a little small. Perfect for most ladies or guys with small hands, and would also be wonderful for concealed carry.
When me and my wife got back to Yuma, we looked at one of the local gun stores and they had a K40. She liked the feel of that gun in her hand, but we couldn't afford it at the time. Recently though, after we moved, we had the money and it was the time. The local gun store didn't have a K9 or a K40, but they had CW9s. The gun had the same feel to me. She liked it, so we bought it and I put a gun on order for me.
My philosophy on these firearms is that reliability is the only thing that should come before comfort, and she liked the feel. The lower price is just a nice bonus with these pistols. I will see if I can get her to write a small report on it, but it might have to wait until a full break-in.

Aside from a few very minor things, I've read nothing but good things about these pistols.
The important things are to break them in with [I believe] 200+ rounds and to possibly have a small file for minor things like the mag release. I've heard of them "sticking" a little and causing trouble. Easy fix imo.
 

Shytheed Dumas

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The K9 I shot before buying my MK9 didn't have a safety, and I think that's applies to all Kahrs. Use of a holster and good trigger discipline is better than a safety any day, especially if you ever find yourself under the stress of suddenly needing to draw your weapon. I wasn't too sure of no safety in the beginning, but it's a preference in stiker fired semi autos now.

IIRC, the CW9 is essentially the same as the PM9, but with a few cost saving moves that really shouldn't affect reliability for a typical buyer. I wish there had been the same version of the compact version of the P9, because I would have bought new instead of used.
 

Doward

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The K9 is supposed to be $300 more than the CW9? I think the K9 I was looking at was (both used) $519 vs $489 for the CW9.

I'm going to start some research into them this morning for Laura. I really appreciate your guy's feedback.

Just as an aside, the kick of the 2 .38 Special revolvers didn't bother her much, but the SiG 229 .40 S&W was a little more than she cared for :)
 

labrat469

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I looked at 5 different handguns before getting my Taurus. The deciding factors were the way it felt in my hand, balance, and magazine capacity. Then the owner of the shop cut me a hell of a deal on the price.
 

drunk_medic

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Doward;1183180 said:
The K9 is supposed to be $300 more than the CW9? I think the K9 I was looking at was (both used) $519 vs $489 for the CW9.

If the K9 is used and you don't mind it, that is a great price for it.

$489 for the CW9 is steep. I paid $399 brand new.
 

labrat469

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Don't be surprise that gun prices are going up. Gun shop owners are afraid that Obama is going to re-enact the gun ban. Get them while you can.
 

a_sesshoumaru

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Not much but that`s the one i have and is legal for me to carry it with me everyday, loaded and ready. I live in a savage country :biglaugh: smith and wesson 911 9mm
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pparrigo

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Well, I picked up my Storm yesterday. Couldn't get the .45ACP as no one in a 250 mile radius had one. My local gun shop and emporium had a shelf of .40S&W available, and on sale. Picked up an EOTech 512.A65 that they also had on sale, and they mounted the picatinny rail and EOTech for free. Arguably one of the sexiest pieces of black plastic ever made. I ordered a .45ACP version- my parents can have the .40SW for home defense when mine comes in.

As far as the weapon goes, it's fantastic. I had my doubts about the .40 SW, but I am actually very pleased with the caliber. Can transfer more KE than a .45ACP (at least on paper, i still love the .45 though) and is exceptionally accurate in the Storm.

Very easy to break down and clean, and the charging handle, extractor, and ejector can all be switched for a left-handed person in well under half a minute if you know what you're doing. Safety and magazine release can be swapped too, but they are a little more involved. Having had experience with commie weapons most of my shooting career, I opted to leave the extractor/ejector where they were and swap the charging handle to the left side. Made it about 300% more comfortable for me.

Put about 125 rounds of winchester white box (165gr FMJ) with zero failures. Combined with the EOTech, if you miss with a Storm, it's your fault. Heading to the range tomorrow to finish dialing it in and get some numbers.

Only have a couple of gripes:
-There is a metric fuckton of plastic- Hammer, trigger, etc. Mostly not a problem (It's well made and very tough), but the charging handle seems the tiniest bit flimsy and wobbly. Then again, I am used to all of my charging handles and bolts being made out of steel.

-Magazine is a little loosey goosey when you don't have a round chambered. Nothing a strategic strip of electrical tape can't fix.

-I live in New York. I would like a 15 round magazine (It takes Beretta 96 magazines), but I can't get one... yet. I'll have to stick to my 11 rounders for now.
 

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Adjuster

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IIRC, there are 30 round magazines for the storm rifles.. Cool idea too, using the pistol rounds in a rifle.. better ballistics, and longer range accuracy..

I'm looking at that same sight.. Not sure I want to spend the bucks, and then spend another 400 to 700 for the 3x or 4x magnification that is needed to make it work at longer ranges.. (The Eotech is great for CQB, but sucks at 100 yards IMNSHO.)
 

drunk_medic

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Apr 1, 2005
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Yesterday my wife and I had our concealed carry class. The class was HUGE - over 70 people showed up. This was a record number for that gunstore. They usually do classes twice a month, but they had been busy with sales, gunshows, etc, so they hadn't done one in just over a month. They had to split the class up into a lecture and Q&A group, and another group that watched two videos. Then, we switched rooms.
The videos were boring, except for the scenario section [which was sort of ridiculous]. The main guy in the videos was like a cross between Colonel Harland Sanders and Ben Stein. I'm surprised I didn't fall asleep.
Next, we had a written test, and then went to the range.
There were so many people, who were shooting in groups of 8 people, that some people were shooting very close to sundown [thanks daylight savings].

The H&K USP 45 Tactical shot like a dream. Really, I am going to have to shoot it more to MAYBE adjust it [may have just been me] or get used to it, but as far as I recall it had roughly the same amount of recoil as the PT92 I shot. The PT92 was shot about 2 years ago, so there is a margin of error. Still, the USP was not harsh at all. The head instructor told me "Don't let Mike see that, he'll start drooling all over." Another instructor came over and his eyes got big. I said "You must be Mike." We talked a little about the gun. He seemed nice to me, but overall he was a sexist, racist pig.

During my shooting portion I did well. The guy next to me did better, but he had a Glock 23 with a laser - total cheat! His first shot was DEAD center. Either way, the head instructor asked how I liked it, and said "It's the Cadillac". Shooting from the waist I did alright. Increasing distance a little and shooting regular yielded consistant shots - a large section of my target was missing when we were through. I'm pretty happy.


After the class I locked slide, screwed the barrel thread protector on, and cable locked it. Unfortunately I could not take it home. Due to a miscommunication or misunderstanding on my part, I can't take this home until I either get a purchase permit, or my concealed carry card gets here [usually 2 weeks to 90 days!]. That is NOT the impression I got from talking to them BEFORE the purchase. I guess I will go to the Sheriff's office Monday and cough up the $5 apiece, plus the 20 minute [average] wait for the background checks and get the purchase permits.

I shot 230 grain non+P FMJ Federal American Eagle. Maybe it is the gun, but all of the rumors you hear from others and from the movies [what the instructors labeled their biggest enemy] are wrong. That 45 didn't "kick like a mule" and wasn't bad at all. If it was a single-stack magazine [thus, smaller grip for smaller hands] I would totally recommend this gun for the petite, though there are MUCH better carry options out there.



-Forgot to add that I am left handed and shot that way, though I shoot rifle right and scored expert marksman in the service shooting right. I may be an ambi pistol shooter. I will test that out one of the next few times I go to the range.
If I shoot pistol strictly lefty though, I am going to need an ambidextrous safety for my USP, and this also complicates the slide lock for me [or need to work on my grip and thumb strength for left-handed operation of the slide lock].
 

j3pz

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hey fellas, was looking around in here and decided to ask some advice. im looking to buy my first gun and not exactly sure where/what to look at. im not new to guns (started hunting at 10, 20 now) but ive never shot a hand gun, which im looking into. i dont know if i should get a second hand one thats broken in or get a new one that im sure will be reliable. please give me some pointers
 

03bamaGT

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Need to know what you want it for?

Second...I would recommend 9mm, just because cost of shooting it is low and will allow you to get aquainted with HGs faster and cheaper.
 

labrat469

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If you want something to learn how to shoot I would suggest a .22 cal. Ammo and hand gun are really cheap. But for personal and home defense either a .40 cal or .45 cal. I have a friend in Afghanistan and he hates his 9mm with a passion. Because he was fixing a hummer that broke down and the group he was with was attack and all he had was his 9mm and it took 3 rounds to take down a fighter. He was underneath the hummer fixing the motor when they attacked and could not get to his rifle. But in defense of the 9mm I told my friend that if he was allowed to use hollow points it would have taken less rounds to put that fighter down.

I would also suggest getting some kind of safety lock for the gun that you decide to purchase. But most important research the hand gun that you want. Find out how it handles and fires. Does the gun have design flaw that will cause it to jam? Does using a certain brand of ammo with a lower grain load cause the gun to jam? Also expect to pay a lot for a good hand gun because you get what you pay for. Between $450 to $600 for a good reliable hand gun.

I would have never bought that Wyoming Arms Parker 40 if I knew that it jammed up more than California rush hour traffic. If you buy the hand gun used take it to a gunsmith and have them check it out before you fire the first round.

Damn I'm becoming a long-winded bastard in my old age......
 

pparrigo

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Feb 12, 2008
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I didn't think I was actually going to do it, but I did. Marched off to my gun store and bought Sheila.

Sheila is the 14th rifle to join my family. I can now officially arm my entire street.

Sheila is a Springfield Armory M1A Standard, with all the goodies that come with the Loaded package. Medium weight National Match stainless barrel, national match iron sights, and a national match trigger (4.5 pounds). Unfortunately I haven't got her a scope mount or decent optics yet, figure I'd get to know her a little first.


Too bad .308 is not cheap.
 

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Kai

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Woohoo!

Today i recieved my gun license and in order to celebrate, i went round to my mate Paul's house to raid his gun cabinet for a fun afternoon of target shooting.

He had something in there i've ALWAYS wanted to try out. A Winchester 30-30.

Of course he just grinned at me when i said 'we'll take that and your .17HMR'. For shits and giggles, i took my BSA Comet for comparison.

We took a box of 50 rounds for both rifles, and whatever was in the tin of .177 pellets for the BSA.

Now, i'm not often startled, but i swear i nearly shit myself when i pulled the trigger on the Winchester. Such a loud bang (i wasn't expecting *THAT* loud!) from such unassuming ammo (Jacketed Soft Point), and the hole it made in the tree i shot at was substantial!

However, the oddity of the day, was the .17HMR vs the .177 BSA Comet.

My Comet was actually way more accurate, despite the diminutive ammo and the simple 3-9x32 scope.

Paul was even surprised, so much so, that he's taking his rifle back to the gunstore in town to have them check it out. We both shot it and got similar results, so it wasnt his skills (20+ years of shooting) that were in question.
 
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