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Doward said:
... There is no such thing as 'irrefutable' scientific proof. There is only our current understanding of the universe around us, and that understanding is very narrow, and still very fluid. It wasn't so long ago, that we had 'irrefutable' scientific proof that the world was flat, and that Physics was a dead end subject (aka we knew all there was to know about physics)

Dinosaurs. Ice Age. Evolution. KTHXBYE.

I don't understand how you can say we had irrefutable proof the world was flat, seeing as no one had ever tried to circumnavigate the globe until we knew it was round. I'm not sure I understand what you mean about that physics bit either, unless you're talking about way back when the Greeks and Romans were around, but even then they knew that they didn't know everything.
 

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The true Church doesn't celebrate easter (another pagan holiday), wear or display the crucifix (that's idiolity), doesn't celebrate Christmas (pagan yet again), doesn't have The Lord's Supper on Sturday, ect ect...

It's not in the Bible, it's not in the true Church. Wrapping paganistic views in a holy wrapper doesn't make it holy...

Dumas: Crusades, Inquisition, ect... You can thank the Vatican...

Don't get me started on the Pope...
 

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Poodles said:
Dumas: Crusades, Inquisition, ect... You can thank the Vatican...

Don't get me started on the Pope...

You said "is" the Catholic Church, which indicates a current state of the church. Crusades and Inquisition are happening where at this time or anywhere near? By this logic, the Germans are running concentration camps. And I'm not interested in your opinion of the Pope, thank you very much.

Here's a suggestion: Why don't all of you start a thread dedicated to bashing Christians, Catholics, God, whatever, and sticky it? Since there's a concensus among the atheists and church bashing agnostics that you shouldn't be questioned, you can all go there whenever you feel the need to show how little you care about any of this and be as nasty as you want. I, and virtually everybody else, will stay out of it and you can all share how "enlightened" you are without restriction and quit starting new trash threads or poisoning other threads. Like this one, which had nothing to do with 99% of what has been posted on, and which should have been locked up within the first five posts for being completely hijacked. Sounds like a win-win to me. How about it?
 

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yes, "is," as the Catholic church hasn't changed much in, oh, the past thousand years.

How about the Vatican's ban on birth control? Or any of a number of doctrins that has nothing to do with the Bible, and everything to do with controlling the masses?

Why bash? Anyone that has read the bible will have a "wtf?" moment and know that something isn't right in the most Churches.

Sure, we derailed the thread a bit, but fine, I'll put it back on track.

The Devil is there to tempt you, not to make you do things. He cannot violate your free will unless you allow him. That is enough for me to not fear him.
 

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I’ve Learned Something BIG From the Angry Atheists!

I have gone around on the topic of God/atheism, church and politics, etc for some time with our vocal atheist/church basing agnostic group on this site. I began by trying to address their points one by one, but as time has gone on I have found noticed a significant increase in atheist anger. Recently, I have removed myself from specific debate and started pointing out the humor I find in the angry atheist obsession with God and religion, which has brought on a new level of anger and even hatred along with a bunch of accusations of me being “holier than thou”, and showing “mock superiority”.

Well, these claims got me wondering if they were right. It doesn’t serve my goal to be judgmental, so I gave it some serious thought and realized that I don’t judge anybody who doesn’t believe at all, although I wouldn’t claim to agree with or even respect their position. My eternal life is not based on what any of you do – only on what I do with my life. I’ve got my own things that I need to do better and things I need to quit or start doing altogether to worry about. This is where I need to be spending my energy before I try to “shove my views down anybody’s throat”, but I won’t stand by and be idly attacked, either.

The fact is, although I respond to attacks, if you knew me in the real world you wouldn’t expect me to post up like this because I don’t wear my religion on my sleeve. Surprised? I go to church almost every Sunday and I volunteer there on a regular basis, but that’s about as much as people know about me. It’s personal, it’s about my salvation, and none of you know what my religious denomination actually is. So although I have stepped up in suggesting the atheists/agnostics might miss out on an eternity of happiness because it’s the right thing to do, it doesn’t really affect me if they choose to ignore it. That said, I sincerely hope to see you all there.

So what’s this all about then? Well, I think I’ve figured it out, and it’s based one thing: POWER. In my world, nothing the Angry Atheists or anybody else does can affect my ultimate goal of eternal life and happiness in God’s presence, so I have nothing to get so angry and hateful over. Nothing, no matter how bad you could possibly make my life here will make a difference unless I allow myself to let it have that affect.

The atheist can only hope to impossibly reach bliss in an imperfect world that is out of their control, andthe ultimate goal of living without any meaningful restriction is something that can greatly affected by people of different mindset. This not only puts the Angry Atheists ideal world in danger, but also gives an incredible amount of ‘perceived’ power to me. That’s right – If I believed for one second that somebody had the power to affect my ultimate goal, it would infuriate me. But my beliefs and actions are controlled by me alone, and are the only things that determine whether I will realize my goal. I don’t feel angry or hateful, because ultimately the Angry Atheist’s comments are nothing more than an annoyance, but in comparison I represent the ultimate danger because they believe I have the power on some small level as an individual and in a large way as a group to step in the way of their ultimate goals.

It’s so clear – nothing they do can stop me, but I have the perceived potential to stop them. Isn’t it amazing how what they claim to be an imaginary and powerless God can give me so much power and leave them with so little? My faith is reaffirmed, and to think I can thank the atheists for that… Oh, and bash my religion? It's one thing that helps me get there - no gain in bashing there, either. ;)

Let me jump in and point out that even if you say it’s all in my head, it doesn’t matter much. The angry atheists will remain angry and upset because I remain powerful over them in their reality, and I will remain happy and indifferent to them because that’s my reality.

Now, how about a “You Suck if You’re a Christian” sticky for all of you to spend your time in, or I need to start an official Suggestion Thread?
 
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Hence the "put on the whole armor of God"

I'm not denominational. Denominationalism is purely the work of man and the Devil to twist the Church.

Not like anyone is listening to this anyway...
 

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^^^ Thank you Shytheed for that post! That is the whole thing, in a nutshell, period. The, ("atheists") are just hoping they're not wrong. But, their conscience still gives them a little doubt. Why is that, one might ask? Well, it's because God lives within each and everyone, because man was created in God's image.

As my fellow Christians on here know, from Matthew (18:20) "Where two or three have gathered together in My name, I (Christ) am there in the midst of them". Let us continue to gather together on this forum, and fight against these Christian bashing threads. There is nothing that says "righteous anger" isn't justified, in the defense of the only truth!

Added: I feeled compelled, to put this simple prayer up. Maybe some of you that have ask yourself, if you want to continue your life without the Lord? And, your answer was, "maybe not", or "no"!
If you want Him (The Lord Jesus=God!) in your life...it's as simple as this;
Father God, or Heavenly Father;
I know I need you, but can never get to You on my own. I recieve Your Son Jesus, as my personal Saviour. I believe he took all my sins onto himself, when he died on the cross, conquering death for my sake, and giving me access to You. Thank You for forgiving me, and for sending the Holy Spirit to transform my life. Amen.

It is just that simple! If you pray that, and are truthful in your heart, you are "saved by His grace"!
You should then seek out fellow Christians, and ask the Lord in prayer, to open "the eyes of your heart" to the Scriptures, His word, and your complete transformation can begin!
If this prayer, reaches just one member, it is worth all the grief that I know it will garner me, from the rest of the blind!
As a Christian, I will suffer many attacks on my faith. It may waiver a little, but will never crumble! Praise God!
 
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OneJoeZee said:
Ok.

I'm out of this thread.

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Can't deny what's inside


You really said it for me here! We really can't deny whats inside!!!

You ever heard the expression? "There are no atheists, in a foxhole". (???)
 

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DreamerTheresa said:
So, uh.... what do you think of Jews? Or Pagans?

What do you mean?, what do I think of them? There is hope for all, right up untill the last breath you draw on this earth.
I will not claim to know about the Jews, and there place with God. But, Scripture teaches that they are "God's chosen", and will never suffer defeat. I will continue to share my Christian faith with anyone who is curious, or when the moment presents itself. Pagans too, have spritual needs sometimes. I don't automatically dislike someone, because they don't believe what I do. I work with some really good people, that happen to be agnostic, or, if you please "atheists", (which there are none!)
How could anyone possibly believe that we, and all around us, are just "here", out of nothing!? That is the stupidest notion ever, in the entire history of the world!!! Only a complete moron, could buy into that theory!
 

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DreamerTheresa said:
http://godisimaginary.com/video8.htm



``Theresa. Not necessarily atheist. Just can't stand those who think their religion is THE RIGHT ONE.

lol at your video and the sad attempts to discredit God:

1. Describe God in human terms. Like my 6 year old could do anything with a 1st grade comprehension of quantum mechanics, much less try to outdo Stephen Hawking.

2. Use deragatory terms to describe God so that those who rely on the approval of the "cool crowd" feel some sense of shame for believing.

3. Play on the vulnerability of people who gain personal satisfaction by building themselves up as self proclaimed intellectuals - i.e. only a moron would believe in God.

It's too easy to pick out the techniques this guy is using.

The fact that you would post it is pretty suggestive of being an atheist, wouldn't you say? I have no shame in saying I'm a Christian.
 
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You know, you'd be far more well-received if you didn't peddle your god crap all the freaking time.


And there REALLY ARE Atheists! I've actually SEEN THEM live and in person! Touched their physical beings, too! Say that about god.




People may believe what they believe, but I think it's pompous and extremely arrogant to think that what you believe is THE right way for EVERYONE.

And some would say that what YOU preach is a theory that only a complete moron could buy into.
 

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So again you're upset and I'm not. :D How would eternal life with God not be right for everybody? You all have gone on and on ripping at it from all angles; I have responded, but I have not started a God Thread one single time.

That's not peddling my "god crap" it's taking on YOUR challenge. Don't like it? Never start up a thread like this again, and I can assure you won't hear it again from me, because I have not started up one yet and don't plan to start. In every single case it has been a response to something like this.

Just can't go without starting it up? Then start a dedicated sticky, keep it there, and I will stay out, and you still won't here it from me.

How much easier can I make it?

nuff said
 
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