Element256 said:
I'm in the process of selling the Jeep right now to get back into a Supra!!!!:naughty:
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I'm in the process of selling the Jeep right now to get back into a Supra!!!!:naughty:
as i said in the other thread.Merlyn said:
take a look at this:
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html
You cant believe everything people say, need to do some of your own research. I have also read into some of this, and there is a lot of differences.
Mk3Jesse said:
I really don't get this stuff. Overall, the only time I find myself crossing swords with the religionists is when they are trying to legislate religion into law. Outside of that, I really don't feel an urge to tear down their beliefs, or prove them wrong. I'm convinced they are wrong, but I'm also convinced that nothing I could ever say would make them believe they are. And that's probably a good thing.
As I said earlier in this thread, I don't find myself "struggling" against urges to do "bad things". However, it seems that many of the religious do struggle like this, and if believing in the invisible space fairy makes them not do bad things, maybe that belief is a good thing.
The only thing I won't tolerate is them legislating my rights away. Other than that, leave these folks alone. Some of them NEED religion. Let them have it.
SC, this is not directed at you. You have been up front with what you believe, but have not condemned me for my beliefs.Supracentral said:
I am truly tired of this. I don't understand why people find it necessary to have Christain bashing parties. My beliefs are mine. If you would like to hear what they are, I would love to have the chance to share with you how good God has been to me. If you don't want to here them then that is fine too. God gave us free will, and you are free to use yours. Jay is right I really do not like to get into these threads, but I also hate to sit back and not say anything when my beleifs are being attacked.
It's funny to me how non-Christains love to throw the short comings of Christains up to disprove Christainity. No man is without sin. Jesus said "Let him that is without sin cast the first stone." I'm not judging you, so stop judging me. You sit back and wait on someone to fall so you can say "See they don't have it figured out." If you do something wrong (sin). That is between you and God to work out. I don't redicule you for it nor do I condemn you for it.
You judge a group of people by the actions of a few. Do I say "that non-Christain killed somebody so they are all murders". No that would be ignorant of me to think that way.
The church I attend does alot of charity work for the community I live in. We have a food bank, and clothes closet that turns nobody away that is in need. We feed the children that come on the van dinner every Wednesday night and breakfast every Sunday morning. We have a fall festival every year that is free to the community. At Christmas we do shoe boxes gifts for the kids. When school starts back we give away school supplies at the food bank. We are a small community church. How can you have contempt for a people that are trying to help others?
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i was only responding to his post about horus being the same, when he really isnt. I dont care for religion either im just showing both sides.
All Christians are not the same, and some are really twisted pieces of garbage that manipulated the masses.
Christianity is NOT a belief system, it IS a way of life (ever heard the term, "What Would Jesus Do?").
All the of horrible things that "The Church" has done is from the Catholic Church which long ago steered away from the true word of God.
There is one true Church, not many. This is one Church for all, not everyone has a Church. It's clear, there isn't any grey areas. Where the Bible is silent, we sould be silent.
I could go on about this for a while, but I agree with SC on this. Though my way of life and beliefs are my own, I would NEVER force them upon someone else.
I think it's best put by a line in The Boondock Saints...
Christianity is NOT a belief system, it IS a way of life (ever heard the term, "What Would Jesus Do?").
All the of horrible things that "The Church" has done is from the Catholic Church which long ago steered away from the true word of God.
There is one true Church, not many. This is one Church for all, not everyone has a Church. It's clear, there isn't any grey areas. Where the Bible is silent, we sould be silent.
I could go on about this for a while, but I agree with SC on this. Though my way of life and beliefs are my own, I would NEVER force them upon someone else.
I think it's best put by a line in The Boondock Saints...
Poodles said:
well religion is a belief system setup on the Bible (or other book written by someone ie, book of mormon, kaballah etc)
so if your belief is in the Bible, then the bible says to "preach the word of God". By you not imposing your beliefs on others you're not being a good christian.
So many cute little stories in the ol book. And sooooo many useless names and songs. Really worthless all in all IMO.
Common sense will tell you not to kill others or take what doesn't belong to you. Don't know why we need religion to enforce common sense.
Kill the stupid or subject them to proper logical education. As long as "God" is in schools, logical education will not exist.
PREACHING the word of God is far different from IMPOSING or FORCING.
You preach and tell people of the Gospel, and they can either ignore you, or heed the calling. This is FREE WILL at it's finest and why I told bible beaters to go fuck themselves for a long time. They wheren't preaching, they where FORCING.
Preaching is saying:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6
But to put people to the question and to torture them or kill them for being heretics is forcing. This is NOT true Chirstianity and is the twisted Catholic Church...
You preach and tell people of the Gospel, and they can either ignore you, or heed the calling. This is FREE WILL at it's finest and why I told bible beaters to go fuck themselves for a long time. They wheren't preaching, they where FORCING.
Preaching is saying:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6
But to put people to the question and to torture them or kill them for being heretics is forcing. This is NOT true Chirstianity and is the twisted Catholic Church...
:aigo: Well I truely hope Vixen doesn't disown meover my beliefs, because I would not disown her for hers. :naughty: I am not saying anything negative about Vixen or anyone else, I am just saying that religion as a whole has killed so much in the name of GOD, and bad people like Hitler have commited genocide also... Whats the freakin difference? Evil is Evil, and we are all born with the ability to commit horrible acts of evil, or great acts of good. I am not a bad person, and I would say I am very giving and loving, and would much rather help than hurt anyone. I go out of my way to help people, but I am condemmed by religion like I am the plague because I don't believe in what they do anymore. Religion has its good points, but a bad religious leader can lead so many astray, and they could do things that are very evil, and think they are doing good because they have been led astray. Look at Waco, TX for instance. Anyways.....I AM a nice guy, and a good friend to those that call me friend. We will just have to agree to disagree. (I would fall out of my wifes good graces too if she read this post. We just don't talk about it. )
suprahero said:
Keros, Zeus and Jupiter are one and the same (Greek and Roman name, respectively)
Mk3Jesse, I don't think the creator(s) of Zeitgeist meant Horus and Jesus were the same, I think they were trying to draw comparisons. Hence, the astrological bit at the end of the religious segment that explained most of the numbers and dates involved.
I personally would be more inclined to believe in religions such as Christianity if there wasn't irrefutable scientific proof that the beginning stories were a crock. Religions that involve ascension make more sense to me, as that is really just an extrapolation of evolution.
Mk3Jesse, I don't think the creator(s) of Zeitgeist meant Horus and Jesus were the same, I think they were trying to draw comparisons. Hence, the astrological bit at the end of the religious segment that explained most of the numbers and dates involved.
I personally would be more inclined to believe in religions such as Christianity if there wasn't irrefutable scientific proof that the beginning stories were a crock. Religions that involve ascension make more sense to me, as that is really just an extrapolation of evolution.
Correct, but it shows that the horus and jesus "comparsons" were wrong. That the dates were all dfferent and a lot of the numbers.
One i can think of off the top of my head was that Horus was born on November 15th and his mother was not a virgin.
You would have to check the link.
One i can think of off the top of my head was that Horus was born on November 15th and his mother was not a virgin.
You would have to check the link.
Jesus wasn't born in Dec. That was enough for me to ignore that part of that film.
"Religion" has not killed anybody. It's like saying guns kill people. PEOPLE kill people.
Much like my Arab friend after 9/11. He was JUST as pissed as we where because it's NOT what the Koran teaches.
Yes it's a powerful tool. The basic thought process of superiority is a very powerful tool. Hitler used it, the Catholic Church used it, medievel Europe had a lot of this with kings and royal families using it.
I cannot stress enough that there is only one true Church, and anyone that has read the bible enough will find a true Church. I won't tell you where to find it, but you'll be able to tell really quick when you walk in.
Aaron, I'm sorry you feel that way. Most true Christians won't make you an outcast. If you do not heed the call it is your own free will and choice and we can only pray for your salvation...
"Religion" has not killed anybody. It's like saying guns kill people. PEOPLE kill people.
Much like my Arab friend after 9/11. He was JUST as pissed as we where because it's NOT what the Koran teaches.
Yes it's a powerful tool. The basic thought process of superiority is a very powerful tool. Hitler used it, the Catholic Church used it, medievel Europe had a lot of this with kings and royal families using it.
I cannot stress enough that there is only one true Church, and anyone that has read the bible enough will find a true Church. I won't tell you where to find it, but you'll be able to tell really quick when you walk in.
Aaron, I'm sorry you feel that way. Most true Christians won't make you an outcast. If you do not heed the call it is your own free will and choice and we can only pray for your salvation...
Thank You Poodles. I feel at home on this forum, and don't want anyone to think bad of me because I posted my opinion of a controverstial topic. I am the same nice guy,clueless turbo newb, I was before the last few posts. :naughty:
Poodles said:
Poodles, I don't mean to come across that religion kills people - people kill people in the name of religion - That's what pisses me off.
You are Christian, I take it? If so, you are #2 I've found that seems to understand the concept of free will, rather than force-fed Christianity.
I have a lot of problems with Christianity. Jesus was not born December 25th - this was done to incorporate the pagan 'Yule' festival into Christianity. "Look, you're still celebrating on the right day. Just a little different, that's all!"
LOL. There is no such thing as 'irrefutable' scientific proof. There is only our current understanding of the universe around us, and that understanding is very narrow, and still very fluid. It wasn't so long ago, that we had 'irrefutable' scientific proof that the world was flat, and that Physics was a dead end subject (aka we knew all there was to know about physics)
Poodles said:
You are Christian, I take it? If so, you are #2 I've found that seems to understand the concept of free will, rather than force-fed Christianity.
I have a lot of problems with Christianity. Jesus was not born December 25th - this was done to incorporate the pagan 'Yule' festival into Christianity. "Look, you're still celebrating on the right day. Just a little different, that's all!"
Quin said:
LOL. There is no such thing as 'irrefutable' scientific proof. There is only our current understanding of the universe around us, and that understanding is very narrow, and still very fluid. It wasn't so long ago, that we had 'irrefutable' scientific proof that the world was flat, and that Physics was a dead end subject (aka we knew all there was to know about physics)
MKIII VIXEN said:
Said better than I could have ever. Thank you Vixen.
Poodles said:
Are you aware of something going on that the rest of the world isn't Poodles? Citation needed at a bear minimum.
Element256 said:
Catholics are far from the only ones with a solid belief in the Trinity. Read up on it - I don't care if you choose to chuck or accept it, but read up on it.
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