New year, new build: 1991 2JZ- CA street-legal LS7 killer

got_boosted

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BorHor said:
It has to be BAR'd to be street legal. 500HP should be easy. I know a guy that is just BPU and not even tuned and made 425 to the wheels.

Yeah, I'm planning to see how far I can get on 100% stock turbos, good tuning, and possibly some 264 cams. I only say cams because the JDM 2JZ cams are less aggressive than USDM cams, and it seems like a waste to go through all that trouble to still have a pair of stock cams. :)
 

got_boosted

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EvoLuTioN said:
as far as I know, the hondur crowd does it all the time, getting it BAR'd should be too hard as long as you have all the stock emissions on it and pass smog, but i'm no expert, check out bayarearacing.com they seem to know alot about this stuff

I used to be a part of that "hondur" crowd. I still associate quite a bit, and I have done my share of legalized Honda engine swaps. Since we also tend to be profiled less than other import guys do, at least in my experience, getting this reff'd should very easy.
 

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I think you should leave the sequential as long as it's functioning properly. Over 4000, it will be the same as TTC, and under it you'll have more power under the curve. (Assuming it's functioning properly.)
 

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BorHor said:
It has to be BAR'd to be street legal. 500HP should be easy. I know a guy that is just BPU and not even tuned and made 425 to the wheels.

Well, if it was easy, everyone with a MK4 would have 500. But really, you could count the 500hp stock twin MK4s on one hand with fingers left over.
 

got_boosted

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OneJoeZee said:
I think you should leave the sequential as long as it's functioning properly. Over 4000, it will be the same as TTC, and under it you'll have more power under the curve. (Assuming it's functioning properly.)

The valving adds turbulance and restricts the airflow. The spool will never be as early as with the sequential setup, but I will see more top end power. Some of the MKIV guys running modded twins who have removed the valving as I intend to do claim that the difference in spool is almost nothing. Dyno graphs agree with this claim showing inignificant variations in where the TQ picks up. Also, having driven a MKIV with the sequential setup functioning properly, I prefer the true twin configuration. Feeling the changover was annoying. I'd prefer to wait another second for boost and have it pull consistantly through the powerband. But that's just me. Many MKIV guys refuse to go single because they love their sequencial system so much.

Collin
 

Remil12

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got_boosted said:
Any engine swap is legal as long as:
- It is the same year or newer than the vehicle (Check!)
- It has the same or greater power than the stock engine (Check!)
- It retains all properly functioning emissions equipment (USDM 2JZ-GTE head, intake manifold, and EGR will have to be installed for it to pass the visual inspection)
- It is from the same class of vehicle (passenger/light truck/etc.) (Check!)

I've done this quite a few times. It's simple as long as you follow the rules. My goal is to meet these requirements and either perform modifications that fit inside the "rulebook" or modifications that are visually undetectable, such as internally modified turbos, aftermarket BOV hidden behind the front bumper, true twin conversion (changes only non-emissions vacuum routing). A buddy of mine has a CA SMOG legal 2JZ-GE in his 1992 Supra, and he simply followed the rules above. Another is putting a 2JZ-GE into my old 88 Supra which be bought from me a few months back.

Edit:
This actually aplies to all engines/vehicles. I could put a brand new LS7 into an RX7 and as long as I can mimic the configuration of the fuel system and emissions equipment in place on the Corvette, it too can be legalized by a referee station.

Collin

how can you find a referee??
 

got_boosted

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Remil12 said:
how can you find a referee??

Here's how. :icon_roll

And please guys, don't start asking questions about "how do I make my car legal?" That's not why this thread is here. It's here for me to document my build and answer questions related to my build.

jugodegolf said:
Nice build/vids Collin. will be interested to see your results.
bluemkiii said:
Nice car, good luck with your twins

Thanks! :)

Collin
 

lilazni3uoy

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got_boosted said:
Any engine swap is legal as long as:
- It is the same year or newer than the vehicle (Check!)
- It has the same or greater power than the stock engine (Check!)
- It retains all properly functioning emissions equipment (USDM 2JZ-GTE head, intake manifold, and EGR will have to be installed for it to pass the visual inspection)
- It is from the same class of vehicle (passenger/light truck/etc.) (Check!)

I've done this quite a few times. It's simple as long as you follow the rules. My goal is to meet these requirements and either perform modifications that fit inside the "rulebook" or modifications that are visually undetectable, such as internally modified turbos, aftermarket BOV hidden behind the front bumper, true twin conversion (changes only non-emissions vacuum routing). A buddy of mine has a CA SMOG legal 2JZ-GE in his 1992 Supra, and he simply followed the rules above. Another is putting a 2JZ-GE into my old 88 Supra which be bought from me a few months back.

Edit:
This actually aplies to all engines/vehicles. I could put a brand new LS7 into an RX7 and as long as I can mimic the configuration of the fuel system and emissions equipment in place on the Corvette, it too can be legalized by a referee station.

Collin

won't you need a usdm 6 speed or auto ecu with the egr wiring, and also usdm exhaust manifold for the usdm twins, usdm wiriging harness or else the engine check light will just come on, man pushing over 500 and be legal at the same time...i'm not sure man, i know where your going with it, but i don't quite see, it being over 500 hp can't always guestimate, game gets old:sarcasm: just because stu have over 500 hp, doens't mean he don't got tricks up his sleeve which won't be legal in the state of california, and you need 2 cats, 1 on downpipe and the one in the middle and that will have you restricted, i highly doubt you will see 500
 
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Poodles

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haven't heard of one MKIV on stock twins beating a new ZO6... I've heard of lots of small single guys losing though...

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but your goals are very high. The ZO6 has a huge weight advantage on you, have far better brakes and can support larger tires than you. Beating it around a course is gonna cost a hell of a lot...
 

suprastanger507mgte

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For it to be Bar'ed and smog legal in California, it probably needs to be setup using the US model Harness to work with the egr electronics/sensors/vsv's etc/, and that in itself is MAF based system as well. But I'l watch this and take notes :) .
Car sounds very nice and healthy for sure as is.
 

got_boosted

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lilazni3uoy said:
won't you need a usdm 6 speed or auto ecu with the egr wiring, and also usdm exhaust manifold for the usdm twins, usdm wiriging harness or else the engine check light will just come on, man pushing over 500 and be legal at the same time...i'm not sure man, i know where your going with it, but i don't quite see, it being over 500 hp can't always guestimate, game gets old:sarcasm: just because stu have over 500 hp, doens't mean he don't got tricks up his sleeve which won't be legal in the state of california, and you need 2 cats, 1 on downpipe and the one in the middle and that will have you restricted, i highly doubt you will see 500

I already have an entire USDM exhaust setup, manifold, turbos, y-pipe, everything. I'm going to try and fit two cats in there. I already have one in the stock location, and I'm pretty sure I can get a stock MKIV cat in place for smog purposes. (This of course doesn't mean it's going to stay there in between visits to the station.)

EGR operation is a very simple thing that can be accomplished in a few different ways. One possibility is swapping to a USDM ECU and making the appropriate wiring adjustements. If I do it right, it can even increase my fuel economy. :D However, there is another issue...*

Tricks up whose sleeve? I can have those too! If I really need it, nitrous is legal on a street car as long as the bottle is disconnected when not at the track... I'd be happy with roughly 500hp on boost alone. Beyond that, I'm flexible.

Poodles said:
haven't heard of one MKIV on stock twins beating a new ZO6... I've heard of lots of small single guys losing though...

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but your goals are very high. The ZO6 has a huge weight advantage on you, have far better brakes and can support larger tires than you. Beating it around a course is gonna cost a hell of a lot...

Yeah, it's going to be difficult to reach my goals, but it's going to be fun trying. :)

suprastanger507mgte said:
For it to be Bar'ed and smog legal in California, it probably needs to be setup using the US model Harness to work with the egr electronics/sensors/vsv's etc/, and that in itself is MAF based system as well. But I'l watch this and take notes :) .
Car sounds very nice and healthy for sure as is.

You are very right. Since all those things you listed are emissions stuff, they will indeed need to function properly. *(continued from above.) There are two VSV's that matter: the evap canister purge VSV and the EGR VSV. Both of these can potentially be controlled by either a stock USDM ECU or any EMS with programmable outputs. The EGR will need to open under certain load conditions. Open when cruising, closed at pretty much all other times. The evap VSV is supposed to open when the engine is in a specific temperature range. Again, both of these things can be programmed.

However, there are two more issues that must be addressed: the AFM and the CEL. As far as I know, the existance on the AFM isn't something a smog tech is going to look for unless be becomes obvious that something is out of place, and since the lack of the AFM doesn't change the vacuum, vapor recovery system, or any other emissions system, it should go unnoticed. The tricky part is here: the diagnostics port and check engine light.

The smog tech will always jump the service port to check for codes thrown by the computer, displayed by flashing the CEL. With an aftermarket EMS, this simply won't work. This means I really have no choice but to change over to a USDM ECU.

Personally, I hate AFM's, and unless I have to, I won't be installing one to allow the use of a USDM ECU. Lucky for me, there are many piggy back computers that will fake the AFM signal based on input from the MAP sensor. The one that comes to mind is MAP-ECU2.

Anyways, there are lots of issues to deal with. Most of them aren't terribly expensive or difficult, and I've got plenty of time to figure it out. Right now my focus is getting the twins on there and making it visually sound enough that your average idiot won't know the difference.

Collin
 
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got_boosted

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Got my twins in the mail a few days ago. They're missing a few things, but they're in pretty good condition. All that matters is that I can run them for a little while and get the setup working correctly before moving ahead. So far, I'm just inspecting what I have, figuring out what is missing, and collecting what I need. I'll post pics once I have everything and start working on the TTC.

Collin
 

jsnowman76

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where in sacramento are you located?


I need to see a supra again.

it hurts my heart and I would love to see this in person.

I have been following your build for awhile now.

let me me know if you have some free time to show it to me
 

Zumtizzle

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got_boosted;903616 said:
It's still on the car right now. I've got a buyer lined up, but if it falls through, I'll let you know. PM me in a week or so?

Collin

K.

But I'm focusing on sending my motor to a machine shop. Best of luck with your sale.