Money, the root of all?
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Joel, you sure like to quote the Bible a lot. And don't even know it. Of course, you paraphrased it, you didn't really quote it.Joel W. said:
No. The love of money. Willing to run your grandmother over to make a buck is a problem. Those willing to work overtime for an extra buck is not the problem.
edit: Now that I have had time to read some of this...
Well, I don't think it is a nice idea either. It isn't a matter of being set up wrong, the concept is wrong. Give certain people a safety net, they will use it as a hammock. Others will use the net to get it back together, most don't.
Nothing.
The capilist economy is not a zero sum formula. You would think after 8 billion times over, people would understand it. I guarantee you, in 1776, we did not have a trillion dollar economy. The economy grows. To have somebody acculamate on paper a percentage of wealth, does not mean that somebody else lost it.
No quoting there man.Those are my own words..
I did not make the thread, his author used the word "evil". I just explained my opinions on how it relates to money, My feelings (words) just so happen to agree with the bible if you say so.(I'd like to think the bible agrees with me),
It's not good and evil, it's right and wrong!
A duck is duck, if it walks and quacks like a duck..
We agree here Nick. High five!
(caught me off guard for a sec)
edit due to Nicks edit:
Ohh you had me, and then you lost me. I forgot there were slaves in the bible.. My Bad!!
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.. I read that some where.
Ohh yeah..right here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_vote
And now read this.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/rightsof/property.htm
His plan will make slaves out of the poor, We will fight back.
READ YOUR HISTORY!!!
http://www.civilwar.com/
http://www.civilwarhome.com/slavery.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_United_States
(so sad):cry:
Winning the election of 1866, the Radicals took full control in Washington. The House of Representatives impeached Johnson, who was subsequently acquitted by a single vote in the Senate. Radicals used the Army to take over the South and give the vote to black men, who had never been permitted to vote or attend school under antebellum Southern governments, and took the vote away from an estimated 10 or 15,000 white men who had been Confederate officials or soldiers. The Radical stage lasted for varying lengths in the different states, where a Republican coalition of Freedmen, Scalawags and Carpetbaggers took control and promoted modernization through railroads and public schools. They were charged with corruption by their opponents, the conservative–Democratic coalition, calling themselves "Redeemers" after 1870. Violence sponsored by the Ku Klux Klan was countered by federal intervention.
You guys thought I was passionate about Global Warming. LMAO
Mess with my right to vote, and you will understand my passion.
The concept of inalienable rights originates from the concept of natural rights formulated during the classical liberalism of the 18th and 19th centuries. Classical Liberal thinkers reasoned that each man is endowed with (God-given) rights, most importantly, the right to life and the right to liberty. However, they reasoned that the natural state of absolute freedom causes anarchy. Eventually each individual forms an implicit social contract, ceding his or her right to the authority to protect his or her right from being abused. For this reason, almost all classical liberal thinkers, for example, accepted the death penalty and incarceration as necessary elements of government. However, some argued against slavery because there is no way a person can consent to being enslaved in exchange for protection. Consequently, the classical liberals reasoned that people have the right to rebel against tyrants who arbitrarily abuse natural rights.
More rights..
Suffrage is the civil right to vote, or the exercise of that right. In that context, it is also called political franchise or simply the franchise, a term dating from the time when the Franks of ancient France were free.
Historically, many groups have been excluded from the right to vote, on various grounds because their members were 'subjects' of feudal kings or princes or otherwise not 'free' men. Sometimes this exclusion was an explicit policy, clearly stated in the electoral laws; at other times it was implemented in practice by provisions that may seem to have little to do with the exclusion actually being implemented (e.g. poll taxes and literacy requirements used to keep emancipated slaves in the pre-Civil Rights Era American South from voting). In other cases, a group has been permitted to vote, but the electoral system or institutions of government were purposely designed to give them less influence than other more favored groups
Again, It will end bloody every time!!!
Why am I the only one saying this, It sickens me...:3d_frown:
I did not make the thread, his author used the word "evil". I just explained my opinions on how it relates to money, My feelings (words) just so happen to agree with the bible if you say so.(I'd like to think the bible agrees with me),
It's not good and evil, it's right and wrong!
A duck is duck, if it walks and quacks like a duck..
We agree here Nick. High five!
(caught me off guard for a sec)
edit due to Nicks edit:
Ohh you had me, and then you lost me. I forgot there were slaves in the bible.. My Bad!!
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.. I read that some where.
Ohh yeah..right here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_vote
And now read this.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/rightsof/property.htm
His plan will make slaves out of the poor, We will fight back.
READ YOUR HISTORY!!!
http://www.civilwar.com/
http://www.civilwarhome.com/slavery.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_United_States
(so sad):cry:
Winning the election of 1866, the Radicals took full control in Washington. The House of Representatives impeached Johnson, who was subsequently acquitted by a single vote in the Senate. Radicals used the Army to take over the South and give the vote to black men, who had never been permitted to vote or attend school under antebellum Southern governments, and took the vote away from an estimated 10 or 15,000 white men who had been Confederate officials or soldiers. The Radical stage lasted for varying lengths in the different states, where a Republican coalition of Freedmen, Scalawags and Carpetbaggers took control and promoted modernization through railroads and public schools. They were charged with corruption by their opponents, the conservative–Democratic coalition, calling themselves "Redeemers" after 1870. Violence sponsored by the Ku Klux Klan was countered by federal intervention.
You guys thought I was passionate about Global Warming. LMAO
Mess with my right to vote, and you will understand my passion.
The concept of inalienable rights originates from the concept of natural rights formulated during the classical liberalism of the 18th and 19th centuries. Classical Liberal thinkers reasoned that each man is endowed with (God-given) rights, most importantly, the right to life and the right to liberty. However, they reasoned that the natural state of absolute freedom causes anarchy. Eventually each individual forms an implicit social contract, ceding his or her right to the authority to protect his or her right from being abused. For this reason, almost all classical liberal thinkers, for example, accepted the death penalty and incarceration as necessary elements of government. However, some argued against slavery because there is no way a person can consent to being enslaved in exchange for protection. Consequently, the classical liberals reasoned that people have the right to rebel against tyrants who arbitrarily abuse natural rights.
More rights..
Suffrage is the civil right to vote, or the exercise of that right. In that context, it is also called political franchise or simply the franchise, a term dating from the time when the Franks of ancient France were free.
Historically, many groups have been excluded from the right to vote, on various grounds because their members were 'subjects' of feudal kings or princes or otherwise not 'free' men. Sometimes this exclusion was an explicit policy, clearly stated in the electoral laws; at other times it was implemented in practice by provisions that may seem to have little to do with the exclusion actually being implemented (e.g. poll taxes and literacy requirements used to keep emancipated slaves in the pre-Civil Rights Era American South from voting). In other cases, a group has been permitted to vote, but the electoral system or institutions of government were purposely designed to give them less influence than other more favored groups
Again, It will end bloody every time!!!
Why am I the only one saying this, It sickens me...:3d_frown:
Man I was not a happy camper when I wrote that.. Sorry if it is harsh..:naughty:
I want to shift into second gear here and you guys are stuck in reverse!!!
I want to shift into second gear here and you guys are stuck in reverse!!!
Joel W. said:
When I say liberal, this is mainly what I'm referring to, but mostly the far left wingnuts that have the means to make themselves present all the time. (celebrities, John Kerry, Hilary and Bill Clinton (some say they're moderate or whatever...I still don't like them) etc...) and the masses of people that proclaim the same thoughts because that's what hollywood told them, that's what being on a liberal college campus told them, or that's what the bush hating trend told them
Joel W. said:
I haven't used elite yet. But if I were to use one of your definitions this would be the context I would be using it in.
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A little off topic, but what's with the blue italicized member names? I went away for a week and came back and they started being like this
Some here toss around the words "liberal elite" like they are bad things when I don't think they should be used together at all..
I was not pointing my finger at you Derk... They know who they are.
I like this one: Traditionally, the word liberal means to be open to new ideas and tolerant of others. To be liberal politically, is to emphasize political and economic freedom. They tend to favor gradual changes in society and promote government programs to solve problems.
I was not pointing my finger at you Derk... They know who they are.
I like this one: Traditionally, the word liberal means to be open to new ideas and tolerant of others. To be liberal politically, is to emphasize political and economic freedom. They tend to favor gradual changes in society and promote government programs to solve problems.
I just want to toss out a couple things...
1) Welfare: IMHO
A safety net provided in a Welfare system is not a bad idea, imho. I believe there should be a basic time limit though - Run of bad luck, and everything went to hell? Here's 3 months to get on your feet, with some serious opportunities to get back on your feet (use Adjuster's ideas of a work squad for the government, earning a paycheck). It needs to be strongly shown that an individual can NOT sit on this net - it will break, and you WILL deal with the fall.
2) Right to Vote: IMHO
Every
Single
Person
Gets
The
Right
To
Vote
Period.
Simply setting it up so that only the 'property owners' get to vote is ridiculous - you'll quickly polarize society, and you will have bloodshed. People bitch and moan all the time about how horrible GW, or whichever politician they have on their agenda, sucks. But you know what?
If you didn't use your right to vote, then you have NO FUCKING SAY IN THE MATTER. STFU. *bitch smack* By not voting, you have relinquished any and all say you have in that particular matter. Period.
3) I don't think 99% of you people on here have any real clue what it is like to be poor.
I was 7 years old, with no house, living under a freakin' bridge.
I'm currently renting my own place, and putting myself through school on a Florida Bright Future's Scholarship + a boatload of financial aide.
Everything I own, from my Supra, to my 30" HDTV + XBox 360, to the computer I'm typing this on, I have worked for. EVERYTHING I have has been earned. I'm proud that I'm making a life for myself, and know that after college it will have all paid off - I DO vote in my local elections, and I DO vote on anything that I feel I have a say in. Adjuster, if you think you'd take that from me, I'm going to be right beside Joel fighting you
I agree with the original post - I have very little money, but what I have, I have worked for, and so feel strongly that I am entitled to it. Someone that has had everything given to them, has NO concept of working for what they want.
These are the unproductive people of our society that, IMHO, need a fire lit under their ass.
Sit back for a minute, and think about what you own. How much of it have you really worked for? Worked HARD for? My wife and I often have disagreements when it comes to finances, because she comes from a financially stable family, and she can fall back on them if she's frivolous with her spending. I don't have that luxury, and I don't want welfare - so I build my own safety net (that she seems to not understand staying out of, but that's a different topic)
To someone that has money, it never seems so bad as when you don't. I work for $8.25/hour when school is in, as the Technical Manager of the SFCC PC Shop. My wife works for $7.50/hour. She makes a whopping $13,500 a year, and I make about $6k a year. We, together, make about $20k a year.
I'd like some of you to look in the mirror, and see if you could sustain yourself with no help on that kind of income. Some of us may be poor, but we know how to budget, and we're working on bettering ourselves. Isn't that part of the American Dream? Rags to Riches story?
And hell, even with as little as I have, it's always available when I meet someone that needs it more than I!
If you won't work for what you want, then you have none of my respect.
1) Welfare: IMHO
A safety net provided in a Welfare system is not a bad idea, imho. I believe there should be a basic time limit though - Run of bad luck, and everything went to hell? Here's 3 months to get on your feet, with some serious opportunities to get back on your feet (use Adjuster's ideas of a work squad for the government, earning a paycheck). It needs to be strongly shown that an individual can NOT sit on this net - it will break, and you WILL deal with the fall.
2) Right to Vote: IMHO
Every
Single
Person
Gets
The
Right
To
Vote
Period.
Simply setting it up so that only the 'property owners' get to vote is ridiculous - you'll quickly polarize society, and you will have bloodshed. People bitch and moan all the time about how horrible GW, or whichever politician they have on their agenda, sucks. But you know what?
If you didn't use your right to vote, then you have NO FUCKING SAY IN THE MATTER. STFU. *bitch smack* By not voting, you have relinquished any and all say you have in that particular matter. Period.
3) I don't think 99% of you people on here have any real clue what it is like to be poor.
I was 7 years old, with no house, living under a freakin' bridge.
I'm currently renting my own place, and putting myself through school on a Florida Bright Future's Scholarship + a boatload of financial aide.
Everything I own, from my Supra, to my 30" HDTV + XBox 360, to the computer I'm typing this on, I have worked for. EVERYTHING I have has been earned. I'm proud that I'm making a life for myself, and know that after college it will have all paid off - I DO vote in my local elections, and I DO vote on anything that I feel I have a say in. Adjuster, if you think you'd take that from me, I'm going to be right beside Joel fighting you
I agree with the original post - I have very little money, but what I have, I have worked for, and so feel strongly that I am entitled to it. Someone that has had everything given to them, has NO concept of working for what they want.
These are the unproductive people of our society that, IMHO, need a fire lit under their ass.
Sit back for a minute, and think about what you own. How much of it have you really worked for? Worked HARD for? My wife and I often have disagreements when it comes to finances, because she comes from a financially stable family, and she can fall back on them if she's frivolous with her spending. I don't have that luxury, and I don't want welfare - so I build my own safety net (that she seems to not understand staying out of, but that's a different topic
)To someone that has money, it never seems so bad as when you don't. I work for $8.25/hour when school is in, as the Technical Manager of the SFCC PC Shop. My wife works for $7.50/hour. She makes a whopping $13,500 a year, and I make about $6k a year. We, together, make about $20k a year.
I'd like some of you to look in the mirror, and see if you could sustain yourself with no help on that kind of income. Some of us may be poor, but we know how to budget, and we're working on bettering ourselves. Isn't that part of the American Dream? Rags to Riches story?
And hell, even with as little as I have, it's always available when I meet someone that needs it more than I!
If you won't work for what you want, then you have none of my respect.
Ok, I think there is hope now. Well said Doward!
Now we are getting somewhere. The only thing I would add, is that right now, we do not let people who are felons (people who can not abide by the laws) vote. I would keep it that way.
Also: Make your politicians accountable for their actions...
Well said Doward!Now we are getting somewhere. The only thing I would add, is that right now, we do not let people who are felons (people who can not abide by the laws) vote. I would keep it that way.
Also: Make your politicians accountable for their actions...