Money, the root of all?

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Ok, so now exxon is killing people... Hit squads you know....

I don't want to load up the jails with anymore welfare reciepiants than we already have, so just end the program completely.

Here is my plan.
You live where we tell you to live. There is plenty of housing already built for welfare households. (Especially when I'm done with the program.)
You work 60 hours a week. Daycare is provided on site.
You do not get to own a car.
You do not get money that you control untill your OFF of the program. (It's called a savings account, and it's what your working for.)
You do not cook your own meals. Eating is done cafeteria style in the welfare housing. (Yes, if you do not live in a town where they have this, you get to move to a city that does.)

Here is your labor. Building roads, building parks. Building anything the government needs to have done. You get an opportunity to learn a new skill. How to use a pick and shovel, rake and hoe.
Want to learn more skills? You have the military option. You join, test out, and just like anyone else, get assigned to your post and position. You have as much chance of making something of yourself as anyone else. (It's a pretty good chance actually, but it takes work, so get used to it.)

Ok, so how do you get out of welfare?
You save up money from your job. The cost of housing you, feeding you, and caring for your kids is deducted from your wages first, then the rest is put into your savings account tax free to earn you compound intrest like the rest of the world. If you do not work, you never get out, and in my system, your placed in tents if we have them, and cardboard boxes if we don't. (IE: GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GET TO WORK.)
The cost of child car is per child, so the idea you can just have lots of kids and make more money is gone.
The jobs you work at have opportunities for advancement, and better pay, just like the real world. At some point, your going to exit the welfare system and venture out on your own, just like you should, and become another produtive part of society.

If your a child, and you don't go to school, you get to go to work, or live in a tent/box whatever. There is no drop out, hang out system in my plan.

Would this work? Sure. Is it fair? Absolutely. It's better because it's going to teach those that have forgotten how to work and be happy with what they acomplish to see how awesome that is again. Those that make it out, are an inspiration to those still there working to get out.

I would come up with something similar to this for the reservations, but it would require moving people around, and it would not be popular at all, but it would be effective in motivating people to become productive again.
 

SupraDerk

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I don't see something like that happening in today's world. There's too much appeasement going on and the tree hugging hippies would fire bomb the welfare housing places to make a point that it's somehow inhumane.
 

Joel W.

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Adjuster said:
Here is my plan.
You live where we tell you to live. There is plenty of housing already built for welfare households. (Especially when I'm done with the program.)
You work 60 hours a week. Daycare is provided on site.
You do not get to own a car.
You do not get money that you control untill your OFF of the program. (It's called a savings account, and it's what your working for.)
You do not cook your own meals. Eating is done cafeteria style in the welfare housing. (Yes, if you do not live in a town where they have this, you get to move to a city that does.)

Man that sounds familiar... :icon_razz

The term authoritarian is used to describe an organization or a state which enforces strong and sometimes oppressive measures against the population, generally without attempts at gaining the consent of the population.:runaway:
 

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I do belive everything in the pages posted, however i do feel that just because someone exepts help does not ALWAYS make them a leach. for example my friend i an loaning mine money for a ticket that must be paid within two weeks or he loses him lisance and him ability to race formula cars. He did not ask for my help but i knew he was infact in REAL need of help. I will help him but if he gets him self into the same situation again then it shows his real person and i will not help him again.
 

Adjuster

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Inhumane is North Africa today.
If they don't like you there, the ones with guns kill the ones with no guns. That is reality outside of the developed world.

They kill you if your the wrong race.
They kill you if your the wrong religion.

Finding food is secondary, so there is fammine and diesease and other things that will end your existance in a hurry.

Oh yes, my welfare/workfare idea is totally inhumane.... (To those that have been feed a diet of liberal elite tripe from birth...)

Back to money. Would money solve the problems in the world? Just give it away and everyone's rich right? (Sure, that would cause total chaos, and in a few months the hardworking rich of today would have 90% of it again anyway...)
 

SupraDerk

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Adjuster said:
Oh yes, my welfare/workfare idea is totally inhumane.... (To those that have been feed a diet of liberal elite tripe from birth...)

You live in a country where bashing everything we do and making us look like the villain in any and every situation in world politics is as trendy and cool as a 14 year old girl on TRL. A country where a fucking burgalur can fall through a sky light, land on a knife and sue the family he was going to steal from and possibly kill?... and win. Do you honestly think liberals would allow something that would benefit the population to pass?
 

Adjuster

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Population? LOL What the population of those on Welfare? LOL

So, in my society, these people on welfare would not be allowed to vote untill they owned land, or joined the military, so what rebellion are you reffering to?

Oh, and if they rebelled, at least they would be doing something... right?

I'm not starving anyone, or putting them out on the street, and there would be no time to get caught up in drugs and other crap when your working 60 hours a week, and have no money of your own to spend anyway. (No need to shop since these folks eat 3 squares a day in a chow hall...)

It gets back to the basic idea of this thead. Work for your money, and you will be a happy, productive self made man in America. (The best place on earth.)
 

Joel W.

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Have you never been injured? I say stop the welfare abuse, not welfair itself...Some people really do need it for a time. Most people simply abuse it, which is wrong!
 

SupraDerk

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Adjuster said:
So, in my society, these people on welfare would not be allowed to vote untill they owned land, or joined the military, so what rebellion are you reffering to?

Oh, and if they rebelled, at least they would be doing something... right?


What rebellion are you talking about? What the hell are you talking about rather...I don't think anyone mentioned rebellion or drugs or anything.

Where your "plan" could be seen as probably unconstitutional is in the fact that you're stripping Americans of basic rights that other Americans would be enjoying at the time. Not being able to handle their own money? Not being able to own a car? Making those on welfare serve in the military in order to vote and others not. Or make them have to own land in order to vote. Yeah...very much unconstitutional.

Continuing the having to own land to vote argument...are you saying that those poeople who rent an apartment, townhouse, house, condo, etc... that they're not allowed to vote?
 

Adjuster

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Sure, but I pay for healthcare and longterm care insurance man, so if I suddenly could not work, I would have some measure of income.
Same with my retirement plan. It's there for times of need, not just for when I decide I'm done working for a living.

Welfare is a nice idea, but it's been setup wrong, and your right, the vast majority of the people on it are abusing the system, and really themselves by allowing the government to rule their lives. (At least with some other form of self abuse, you get a happy ending... LOL)

I see no easy way out of Welfare, but talking about other ideas is at least constructive in that someone might have a better idea. (we can't just put them out on the street, but we need to show anyone thinking about getting onto the program how much it sucks to have no choices anymore, and not just a handout that your entitled too.)
 

Joel W.

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Adjuster said:
Sure, but I pay for healthcare and longterm care insurance man, so if I suddenly could not work, I would have some measure of income.
Same with my retirement plan. It's there for times of need, not just for when I decide I'm done working for a living.

Welfare is a nice idea, but it's been setup wrong, and your right, the vast majority of the people on it are abusing the system, and really themselves by allowing the government to rule their lives. (At least with some other form of self abuse, you get a happy ending... LOL)

I see no easy way out of Welfare, but talking about other ideas is at least constructive in that someone might have a better idea. (we can't just put them out on the street, but we need to show anyone thinking about getting onto the program how much it sucks to have no choices anymore, and not just a handout that your entitled too.)

I agree with you (can you believe that), It needs reforming. I for one, am self employed and I am on the edge of poverty more than I like to admit. I have no healthcare, no insurance and no retirement plan so I am glad it is there if I ever need it. Personally, I would go work at Mcd's before I ever thought about using it. ;)
 

Adjuster

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Ok, the rebellion thing was a response to Joel.

The voting thing in a nutshell. (Solves all the problems in the country today.)

1) If you own land you can vote.
2) If you are, or have been in the military, you can vote.
(We are going to assume that if you have #1 or #2 that your a citizen of this country.)

Here is the nice effect this will have.
Only those with a true stake in the outcome of this country get to vote.

(I would include land owners in those that purchase townhomes, condo's and apartments.) But if your a renter, you don't really have a stake in this country, so you don't get to vote.

Easy definition, if you pay property taxes, your a land owner. :)

It would end things like welfare, environmentalism and liberal power in one election. :) Those with a true stake in the affairs of the country they live in would vote for laws based on what they are willing to finance and support, you know, it's pretty fair for the ones who are generally paying for the stuff to get to decide on how the money is spent.... Don't you agree?
 

Joel W.

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So what happends when only the upper upper class high society owns land, say 1% of the population? What do you call that? This is a serious question to you here and I would like it answered.

My folks own land (always have), but are being forced to sell due to the rising property taxes and cost of living increases...

Don't you see what you are saying here?
 

SupraDerk

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Oh I agree with that (except for the renters not being able to vote, ie. a young person going INTO the military, not yet in, that doesn't own land) I'm just saying, that's kind of as idealistic as liberals persuing world peace without war, hah.

For whatever reason, our nation won't let go of either being a democrat or republican and in turn elections and government in general is nothing more than a big popularity contest where once a person is elected...the contest goes on and nothing really gets done that truly reflects everyone or is good for everyone. Lots and lots of reform is needed in our government first...then the ideas like yours can stand a chance.
 

JustAnotherVictim

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DreamerTheresa said:
First, we assume that all girls take time and money.
Girls = Time x Money
Furthermore, we take the statement, "Time is money", and we get:
Time = Money
Girls = Money x Money
Girls = Money^2
Moreover, the statement, "Money is the root of all evil" means that:
Evil = the square root of money
Girls = (Evil)^1/2 (Evil)^1/2
which reduces to...
Girls = Evil
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:: ducks ::
I was gonna post that when I saw the title.