Legal High and Trip (Salvia Divinorum)??

Should Salvia-Divinorum be legal?


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dirtlord420

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s383mmber1;912323 said:
It has had so many positive effects on me, i cant even begin to explain them :)


i have to agree with that 100%. it is really hard to explain how. if you tried how you would end up talking about it for hours. its more of a state of mind thing.
 

cuel

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Figures. A druggie tries to preach about the "positive" effects of his drug of choice. Even proves his point by posting what can be construed as a willing confession of his continued abuse on an open forum. Amazing...

No ill effects, eh? Ever seen what happens when someone o.d.'s? You know that you are, in effect, taking a poison, and intentionally suffering through its effects. Ever tripped through a weekend, and got that constant ache that runs up your spine? When you get older it comes back to haunt you...
I have a friend who used to be just like you. His parents take care of him now. Sad really, as he used to be fairly intelligent, a good student in school, and generally a nice guy. All it takes is one bad hit. I'm very lucky that I decided not to party with him that night, or I'd be in the same boat.

Go peddle the "enlightening qualities" of that garbage somewhere else. It's a psych. drug, with serious effects. How do I know? I've been there. I've seen and experienced it first hand, in both it's "good" and bad forms.

For those of you that don't know better, or haven't used drugs. Take it from a former drug user: DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU!! The mental and physical side effects will linger, and are extremely difficult to get rid of. Sometimes even to live with...
 

Wills7MGTE

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wow guess we know the posters a stoner/druggy, people who use anything including alcohol really need to find a better wya to be happy without being so weak and pathetic as to use chemicals, herbs, magic pixy dust or crack to feel good, GROW UP or KILL YOURSELF either way works for me
 

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Wills7MGTE;913005 said:
wow guess we know the posters a stoner/druggy, people who use anything including alcohol really need to find a better wya to be happy without being so weak and pathetic as to use chemicals, herbs, magic pixy dust or crack to feel good, GROW UP or KILL YOURSELF either way works for me



wow...

stop listening to music, stop driving your cars, stop reading about science and stop living.


there has been alot of famous people or inventors, artist, directors, athlets, presidents, war hero's , writers, teachers, and many other's that have used, or misused drugs, and some of the things they have done would never be here if it wasn't for them.


henrey ford, i cant say he smoked pot, but he owned many plantations that he used to fuel he first ford cars and trucks, it wasn't till 1915 or so when the oil companies pushed the government to help make it illegal so the option of altenative fuels wouldn't be avaible.

i cant agree with most of the lsd stuff but i can agree with not all drugs are bad.
any drug can be bad if mis-used, hell coffee can kill you if you miss use it,

caffen can kill you in minutes if not seconds in concitrated amounts.
 

Supracentral

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I hate repeating myself...

The simple point is ANYTHING can be used, or abused, and there is a huge difference between the two.

This is true in drugs, money, sex, etc.

What the issue at hand is:

The right to the pursuit of happiness means man's right to live for himself, to choose what constitutes his own, private, personal happiness and to work for its achievement. Each individual is the sole and final judge in this choice. A man's happiness cannot be prescribed to him by another man or by any number of other men.

These rights are the unconditional, personal, private, individual possession of every man, granted to him by the fact of his birth and requiring no other sanction. Such was the conception of the founders of our country, who placed individual rights above any and all collective claims.

If I choose to use a drug, just because I like it, you have no right, nor reason to attempt to restrict my access to it. If however, I infringe upon your rights while under the influence of those drugs, I should, and will be punished.

Simply put, provided I don't infringe upon your unalienable rights, you should have no say in what I, or anyone else, do.

Why is that simple concept, the very concept of freedom, so alien to many of you?

If this isn't one of the very core things that you were taught as a child, you were robbed and I pity you.

But it's not too late, you can take it back now, and learn to embrace freedom before we have none.
 

ValgeKotkas

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^100% agreed....but the question is, how many people would then be in need of a punishment (I don't know the numbers of committed crimes under influence) ? Or how many people would ruin themselves? Hmm... actually that could be called as cleaning the gene pool? :D
My last sentence was harsh....
 

s383mmber1

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cuel;912805 said:
Figures. A druggie tries to preach about the "positive" effects of his drug of choice.

Your ignorant name calling isnt wanted here.

cuel;912805 said:
No ill effects, eh? Ever seen what happens when someone o.d.'s? You know that you are, in effect, taking a poison, and intentionally suffering through its effects. Ever tripped through a weekend, and got that constant ache that runs up your spine? When you get older it comes back to haunt you...
I have a friend who used to be just like you. His parents take care of him now. Sad really, as he used to be fairly intelligent, a good student in school, and generally a nice guy. All it takes is one bad hit. I'm very lucky that I decided not to party with him that night, or I'd be in the same boat.

Try overdosing on LSD. Good luck. You would have to take on average, over a gram of lysergic acid dythylamide to overdose. Thats enough acid to does heavily SEVEN THOUSAND people. LSD would have to be interntionally overdosed to kill you. I know plenty of people whove take over 40 hits of acid at a time. Any ill effects? Not after 15 years yet. Look at most people who lived in the 60's and 70's. A fair amoutn of the population back then was using acid, and other mind drugs. Are there minds all Jello?

Your friend got unlucky, and im sorry for that. But LSD did not cause it. Face the facts.

cuel;912805 said:
Go peddle the "enlightening qualities" of that garbage somewhere else. It's a psych. drug, with serious effects. How do I know? I've been there. I've seen and experienced it first hand, in both it's "good" and bad forms.

For those of you that don't know better, or haven't used drugs. Take it from a former drug user: DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU!! The mental and physical side effects will linger, and are extremely difficult to get rid of. Sometimes even to live with...

I live everyday with the side-effects of LSD, and its something which never stops amazing me.

pimptrizkit;913027 said:
wow...

stop listening to music, stop driving your cars, stop reading about science and stop living.

there has been alot of famous people or inventors, artist, directors, athlets, presidents, war hero's , writers, teachers, and many other's that have used, or misused drugs, and some of the things they have done would never be here if it wasn't for them .

Right on! George Washington grew acres of marijuana in his yard while serving as a United states president. Ut-oh! Our worlds gonna die! :D

Look at Mr. Bush (cocaine)

Supracentral;913046 said:
I hate repeating myself...

The simple point is ANYTHING can be used, or abused, and there is a huge difference between the two.

This is true in drugs, money, sex, etc.

If this isn't one of the very core things that you were taught as a child, you were robbed.

Take it back now, and learn to embrace freedom before we have none.

Drink too much WATER and die instantly. Take in a little too much 02, and your dead.

Freedom is freedom, and i dont feel as if the goverment should have a say in what i would like to do in my own house, peacefully.
 
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Is this something that shows up on a drug test?







...and I will never understand why people get so bent out of shape about drugs when they drink alcohol.

Do it in your own home? I don't have a problem. Do it, then drive? THAT's when it becomes a problem.
 

Supracentral

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ValgeKotkas;913071 said:
^100% agreed....but the question is, how many people would then be in need of a punishment (I don't know the numbers of committed crimes under influence) ? Or how many people would ruin themselves? Hmm... actually that could be called as cleaning the gene pool? :D
My last sentence was harsh but 100% true, necessary and accurate....

Fixed that for you.

Freedom to succeed comes with freedom to fail. Whichever you choose, it's your choice.
 

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Wills7MGTE;913005 said:
wow guess we know the posters a stoner/druggy, people who use anything including alcohol really need to find a better wya to be happy without being so weak and pathetic as to use chemicals, herbs, magic pixy dust or crack to feel good, GROW UP or KILL YOURSELF either way works for me

Why does it bother you so much? Did alcohol rape your mother? did marijuana pick on you as a kid? Stop being so ignorant. If you can't understand, or control your drug use, fine. But keep it to yourself. Don't tell other people what to do. Most drinkers/users know moderation, and there is nothing wrong with that.

What if you liked fast food, or driving fast, and I didn't. Am I going to tell you to kill yourself because I'm so much better than you, and you're hurting me in some way? No, because I'm not that ignorant.
 

ValgeKotkas

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s383, would you mind to explain, how exactly has LSD made you a better man?
I think there are quite some things that don't directly harm you. But what could happen to let's say 3rd generation after you? We don't know it, and probably never will. But it may be something to think about, as our science still doesn't, and probably not soon will know 100% about man's life.
 

s383mmber1

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ValgeKotkas;913253 said:
s383, would you mind to explain, how exactly has LSD made you a better man?
I think there are quite some things that don't directly harm you. But what could happen to let's say 3rd generation after you? We don't know it, and probably never will.

I do not have the time to explain all this now, but i will tonight.



As for your last question:

I am not having kids.
 

ValgeKotkas

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s383 You are 18....duh. But someday you probably will, and would it be right to think like Louis Xsomething did (''After me there can even be a deluge'' or something like that).

Edit: ahha, JAV, nice :D
 

Supracentral

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s383mmber1;913255 said:
I am not having kids.

You're probably going to find that the same group of people who think government should be strong enough to be able to place a gun against a woman's head, and force her to have a child she doesn't want to have are the same people who want to put that same gun to your head to limit your freedoms this way... And they are usually the same people who will curse and belittle you for making that "child free" decision as well.

I'm not entirely sure why the corollary exists, but I've run into it time and time again. Generally it's people who believe that your will should not be your own. There's rarely, if ever, any thought behind any of it, just senseless babbling about mysticism or "feelings".

s383mmber1;913255 said:
I do not have the time to explain all this now, but i will tonight.

JustAnotherVictim;913256 said:
You children must have way too much time on your hands to be getting high all day.

Obviously he's got demands on his time, sparky... ;)

I'm just amazed at how many people out here arrogantly feel they have the right how to tell him what he can do with the rest of his time.
 

Tanya

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I think it's best to just leave people to do what they do.

There's nothing wrong with poisoning, enlightening or diddling yourself in your own home. Once you're in public though, it's understandable to be banned. Like how hard is it to not snort a line of coke off a counter in McDonalds?

I like to smoke cigs, I am finally cool w/ the fact I can't smoke in restaraunts anymore although still irate that the gov't won't let the proprietors chose for themselves whether they can be a smoking establishment or not.

There's a difference between trying to keep other people safe and just stomping all over our basic freedoms. There can be a compromise if it was thought about for longer than a few minutes. Amsterdam has been functioning just fine for how long now?
 

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There is no "thought" involved in the process Tanya... If there was, we wouldn't be 2/3 of the way up shit's creek with no sign of a paddle.
 

Tanya

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I can see myself saving up the dollars to move out of this country in the next decade. My only issue is that it's relatively cheap to live here compared to living in Europe, where I'd want to go (Ireland more than likely).

This upcoming election is probably going to make me want to jump off a bridge.
 

JustAnotherVictim

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Supracentral;913269 said:
Obviously he's got demands on his time, sparky... ;)

I'm just amazed at how many people out here arrogantly feel they have the right how to tell him what he can do with the rest of his time.

Even crack heads can't sit around all day. :biglaugh:
Doesn't really bother me. I could care less what someone does to themselves. Still amuses me how drugs like marijuana are still illegal in most cases when they're really no worse than alcohol.
 
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