3p141592654 said:
I got to drive a Porsche 911 cabriolet with tiptronic once. It was a lot of fun.
I HATE AUTOMATICS!!
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I got to drive a Porsche 911 cabriolet with tiptronic once. It was a lot of fun.
swaq said:
Ok...I'll be honest. I have read more posts than I can count that say an Auto is a POS. When you said an auto is "designed for the driving challanged" and "autos FTL"...well, considering the capability of some of the auto equipped MK III's here (including mine), ignorant and clueless are just a couple of the adjectives that describe your posts considering the reality of what a built auto can do. And that does not garner respect in my book. Think about it...making comments like this...what should I have thought?
After reading this post (#38), it does appear you have a clue and more common sense than I gave you credit for. Typically, the auto bashers are inexperienced and their arguements do not hold water, but you have valid reasons for liking the manual. It's fine to say "I like my manual because...." or "I don't like the stock auto because..." But to make a comment concerning the driver based on the fact he/she drives an auto...well, you know my feelings on that one.
Understand the auto has it's place and in many respects will out perform a manual. The big difference I see is the cost...the manual is a lot more bang for the buck. And I'll be the first guy to tell someone that if they are on a tight budget.
Edit: Giving me negative rep based on any of this is not exactly the way to gain respect either...maybe you should take a look in the mirror as to who is "taking things too seriously"....maybe the animosity IS deserved. BTW...the negative rep you put on me didn't even come close to the positive I received for my posts in this thread.
Thought you'd like to know that.
And I won't be doing the same to you...not my style.
jdub said:
Thanks. I completely understand that automatics have there place and in no way am I trying to say that automatics=poor performance. It appears I also came across as dissing automatic drivers, which was not my intent and I apologize for that.
I really don't disagree with what you and Turbo Targa Life are saying for the most part. I just don't like it when my intelligence is insulted. Anyway, I'll give you some positive rep for this post once I spread rep around enough.
I can eat a big mac with a manual. Of course, certain cars are easier. Something like a 5.0, where I can put in a taller gear and just leave it there makes it easy.
Doward... getting back to the point, did you use the red FIPG on your initial repair? Also, the torque spec on the bolts is only 65 in-lbs (~5ft-lbs), so it doesn't take a lot of muscle to strip them.
My guess is that you torqued them too high and the bolts went into the plastic region. At that point its only a matter of time until they lose tension and the seal ruptures.
My guess is that you torqued them too high and the bolts went into the plastic region. At that point its only a matter of time until they lose tension and the seal ruptures.
pi, very possible - I didn't think the torque spec was so low!
To all you other bastahds, quit hijacking muh thread! Automagics suck, because OP says so! :icon_razz
No, seriously, I know the fastest guys are running automatics. But I have to admit, I have WAY more respect for the guy clicking off the low 8s on a 6 speed, vs the guy clicking off low 7s on an auto.
No leaking now, though. If it starts again, though, I swear to God I'm ripping it out, throwing it as far as I can, and putting my r154 in.
I gotta get a spot set up to disassemble it, first though. I'd like to replace the seals and all, if possible, before tossing her in
To all you other bastahds, quit hijacking muh thread! Automagics suck, because OP says so! :icon_razz
No, seriously, I know the fastest guys are running automatics. But I have to admit, I have WAY more respect for the guy clicking off the low 8s on a 6 speed, vs the guy clicking off low 7s on an auto.
No leaking now, though. If it starts again, though, I swear to God I'm ripping it out, throwing it as far as I can, and putting my r154 in.
I gotta get a spot set up to disassemble it, first though. I'd like to replace the seals and all, if possible, before tossing her in
Doward said:pi, very possible - I didn't think the torque spec was so low!
To all you other bastahds, quit hijacking muh thread! Automagics suck, because OP says so! :icon_razz
No, seriously, I know the fastest guys are running automatics. But I have to admit, I have WAY more respect for the guy clicking off the low 8s on a 6 speed, vs the guy clicking off low 7s on an auto.
No leaking now, though. If it starts again, though, I swear to God I'm ripping it out, throwing it as far as I can, and putting my r154 in.
I gotta get a spot set up to disassemble it, first though. I'd like to replace the seals and all, if possible, before tossing her in
HA! :icon_bigg You'll have to beat my record then. 15 inches!
No, kidding. Of course anyone would have more respect for something physically pushing a manual into single digit quarter mile times...but damnit, if the name of the game was to impress everyone (part of it is:aigo: lol), then yeah. But no, most of the fellers with Automatic's are most likely trying to accomplish 1 or 2 things. REALLY fast ET, or REALLY fast trap speeds. I understand there is more to it than just that...but what I'm trying to say is, looking at the big picture, it's all about being as quick as you can...
So if you are one of those types of people that just HAS to push in a clutch and chirp 8th gear like JDM style (lol), and HAS to hear that saweeeeeet Blow-off Valve everytime you shift, then don't get an Automatic.
Enuff' Said from the Korean-man.
Now shut the hell up.
:icon_razz
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swaq said:
I got the pleasure for 4 years of my daily driver (2002 Eclipse), having a SPORTRONIC Transmission, which is exactly at that ^^^^. Put it in drive, Throw it over into the side column, and shift away!
It was the perfect concept of a daily driver, y0.
Nick M said:
The Sound Performance guys are somewhat close. 8.38: http://videos.streetfire.net/search/sound+performance/0/f7d33f68-f3a0-4268-84b7-981d0184c195.htm
You don't need auto to be successful at drag racing. Just look at John Shepherd.
I, for one, DO need a clutch. It just gives you that much more of a human/mechanical relationship.
I, for one, DO need a clutch. It just gives you that much more of a human/mechanical relationship.
I am not going to tell you that you are wrong. Because it is your opinion. But I will tell you mine. You're wrong. :biglaugh:supra90turbo said:
As a human you do not have control of the machine. You control the controls that run the machine. Fred Flinstone had a human/mechanical relationship.
swaq said:
Damnit...I'm mad. I spent like 10 minutes typing a whole bunch of stuff and my laptop crapped on me. So I'll just come out right and say it.
Most of you will be really shocked when I say this....
That 8.3 second Burnt Orange Sound Performance MKIV...
is 6speed. :love: Talk about having balls. I couldn't imagine shifting that fast.
I was there at the track (@ Chi2k6) when he ran the 8.3.
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Your input is graciously appreciated, Nick. You, sir, are wrong too!
America the beautiful. lol
Jeff: talk about rowing!
America the beautiful. lol
Jeff: talk about rowing!
swaq said:
i hate when ppl say autos suck at autocross because it upshifts as soon as u let off or upshifts too soon, there is a lever on the floor called a shifter, and below "D" theres "2" and "L" and u can hold it in a gear as long as u want. and u can turn off overdrive to keep it in third. the only thing u cant stop an automatic from doing as far as i kno is keep it from downshifting.
i dont tihnk u should have waited for it to set up, i think that was the problem, i worked for a toyota dealership as a mechanic and anytime we used FIPG on an oil pan or anything u laid the bead and put it together. no set up time. did u go around the bolt holes as well? we usually went around the perimiter and around the boltholes too to make sure it couldnt leak around them.
P.S im auto and i love it. i love it when ppl look at my car and go "ohh.....its an auto" and when when i leave, bark second and everyone looks in amasment.
jdub said:Hmmm...this is not saying Automatic are "crappy" or do you think that just because you can actually coordinate your left foot with your right hand that makes you a superior human :squirt-mo I'll bet you can actually walk and chew gum at the same time too.
Got news for ya dude...there's a lot of people out there that talk on a cell working a stick shift too. I do agree that talking on a cell for any length of time (unless on a hands free) is stupid. But to say it's the people that have auto trannys is rather narrow minded. I for one do not talk on a cell while driving. Making a blanket statement like that is like saying "drugs are all over high schools so all teenagers use drugs"...another stupid blanket statement.
The only thing I've got to prove is the ignorance of your assertion in your orginal post. I don't own a pure race car, but it does have a built A340E. I can shift it...in fact I intend to install an F1 type paddle shifter. Built and tuned correctly, an auto will out class a manual hands down. I can shift on command, power brake, spool the turbo way better from slow speeds and keep the RPM in the boost curve...why don't you educate yourself before you open your trap.
No...you just implied all of the above. If your not saying this what are you saying? People that drive automatics are not coordinated enough to handle a manual? Autos cause cell phone usage driving? Kinda lame on the cause = effect logic here don't you think?
Trust me...I've got far more experience "turning & burning" than you could ever hope to have in your lifetime. More than just cars too
Got news for ya...a tiptronic/paddle IS an automatic. This just illustrates you do not have a clue about the advances in drivetrain technology for our cars. It's ok for you to enjoy driving a manual...but, putting down an auto with insults is FTL. If you're going to make a point, at least have a clue what you're talking about.
pwned
Wow, who knew there were so many sensitive auto owners out there, and I do mean SENSITIVE. Automatics suck plain and simple, I think I've already stated that. Its funny that somebody brought up paddle shifting and Triptronic shifting which is a way the auto industry trys to come up with a way to get closer to being a manual w/o actually being a true manual. If autos were so great them why is the latest trend with auto makers seem to be going with what is basicly a semi-?auto? And why are people bringing up top fuel racers which make up less than 1% of the driving community I don't know. Besides that race is usally 4 seconds or less therefore, shifting gears in that amount of time would be at best counter productive. I'm not debating intelligence of auto drivers vs. manual drivers idiots are idioits some drive autos others drive manuals. Yall need to cut my man swaq a little slack and pull those panties out the bunch and stop being so damm SENSITIVE. He wrote some words and some of yall made it a little personal and took it to heart and please believe its not that deep. Every post on here is a matter of personal opinion and in the the end thats all they are, opinions just like this one. Its nice to see yall go on tangents about automatics vs. manuals and some of the post that had actual fact content were quite informative which in my opinon were qualitative post. My 7M is an auto just like the one I had before it and I can't stand it. After all it is a sports car and part of the sports car heritage is having a manual shifter. Why? Because driving a manual requires skill and sports cars usally are intended for those who are applying their skills while driving. Automatics were not intended for sports cars from day one. Once car makers figured out another way to sell more cars and make them easier to drive, well the rest is history. In my opinion autos are great for beginner drivers, the elderly , lazy people and people who view driving as something you have to do to get from point A to point B. Its nice that your car chirps in second gear so will a 92hp Honda when it breaks traction too. Chirping gears is in no way an indication of power, it is only an indication of your tires breaking traction fact not opinion. So to wrap this up because believe me I could easily go on. Automatics is almost the equivilent to having a real fine bimbo, yeah she is fine but she is still a dummy for some guys thats okay and their happy with their little trophy chic, for me I want the complete package brains and beauty 'cause thats whuts up!
You sure do a lot of whining for saying other people are sensitive. See your quote below.
Well genius, tell us why 90% of cars sold in the US are automatic?
Just because Car & Driver writes rave reviews about paddle shifters and SMG's, doesn't mean the consumers will buy them.
Way to make an early impression.
Well genius, tell us why 90% of cars sold in the US are automatic?
Just because Car & Driver writes rave reviews about paddle shifters and SMG's, doesn't mean the consumers will buy them.
and in the next breath...
Way to make an early impression.
I have to agree though... I can do a giant ass burnout in my '88 Accord, by sidestepping the clutch @ 4k rpm, and holding the throttle open.
I can also bark 2nd pretty good, with just a quick shift. And that IS a ~90hp car. At the flywheel.
I think the biggest thing I love about a stick vs an automatic is this -
I can shift nice and soft when I want.
I can chirp tires on command when I want.
Yeah, you can beef up an automatic, increase line pressure, etc etc... the thing is, then it is ALWAYS like that.
With a manual, my driving can accurately reflect my mood. I don't really know how to explain it. You guys that don't like manuals - you're missing out. I have not had a single one of my friends that I converted to driving a stick, say they MISS the automatic.
Seriously, though, some of you guys need to chill out. What I like, and what you like, do NOT have to be the same thing!
I can also bark 2nd pretty good, with just a quick shift. And that IS a ~90hp car. At the flywheel.
I think the biggest thing I love about a stick vs an automatic is this -
I can shift nice and soft when I want.
I can chirp tires on command when I want.
Yeah, you can beef up an automatic, increase line pressure, etc etc... the thing is, then it is ALWAYS like that.
With a manual, my driving can accurately reflect my mood. I don't really know how to explain it. You guys that don't like manuals - you're missing out. I have not had a single one of my friends that I converted to driving a stick, say they MISS the automatic.
Seriously, though, some of you guys need to chill out. What I like, and what you like, do NOT have to be the same thing!
SupraDread:
I am almost speechless. I already had private words with swaq, he knows how I feel, and he probably knows how I'm going to responde to your fine words. Well, I'm going to keep my mouth shut and let good ol' ^^^Nick^^^ let you know just how smart of a response that was on your half.
Please, think before you speak...or at least go back over and read your response so you can understand just exactly where we're coming from.
I understand what you said is your opinion, and that's what the forums are for....but there is a fine line between Educated responses and just typing a bunch of nonsense in order to keep another forum member sane.
swaq has been on the forums for a long time now, and these arguments that everyone has is a normal thing, so, YOU, stop taking things so personal.
Please & Thanks.
Again, no hatrid against you necessarily.
Jeff
I am almost speechless. I already had private words with swaq, he knows how I feel, and he probably knows how I'm going to responde to your fine words. Well, I'm going to keep my mouth shut and let good ol' ^^^Nick^^^ let you know just how smart of a response that was on your half.
Please, think before you speak...or at least go back over and read your response so you can understand just exactly where we're coming from.
I understand what you said is your opinion, and that's what the forums are for....but there is a fine line between Educated responses and just typing a bunch of nonsense in order to keep another forum member sane.
swaq has been on the forums for a long time now, and these arguments that everyone has is a normal thing, so, YOU, stop taking things so personal.
Please & Thanks.
Again, no hatrid against you necessarily.
Jeff