I HATE AUTOMATICS!!
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^No kidding. What that guy said, is the most idiotic thing I have read on here this week. Im still not quite sure how autos suck. While manual cars are fun; autos still have their perks, and I love them. Maybe its because Im NOT 16 anymore and dont think I am speed racer like some on here. ''OOOO mans you gots automatics, that sucks.'' Dont know how many times Ive heard that. Then they are pretty damn shocked when their ''sports'' car gets smoked. ''Damn autos, I aint neva been beat by one befoe.'' I just cant help roll my eyes at the dumbasses that say autos suck, and want to slap them a little too.
The only smart piece of info in that post is where he said that most statements are opinions on here. How true, thats part of the beauty of life, its called diversity. Then you go on telling us, again, how manual trans are more superior. Different drivers in different conditions prefer different transmissions. Sometimes its nice to just be able to sit back and only worry about pressing the gas. Sometimes I like to go out and run it through the gears. Its all personal preference. I know I am dearly going to miss my auto, if I ever go through with a 5spd swap.:cry:
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The only smart piece of info in that post is where he said that most statements are opinions on here. How true, thats part of the beauty of life, its called diversity. Then you go on telling us, again, how manual trans are more superior. Different drivers in different conditions prefer different transmissions. Sometimes its nice to just be able to sit back and only worry about pressing the gas. Sometimes I like to go out and run it through the gears. Its all personal preference. I know I am dearly going to miss my auto, if I ever go through with a 5spd swap.:cry:
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Different strokes, for different folks.
What's with everyone flipping out and dividing SM, hmm? Cripes, I just made this thread so I could bitch about working on my own auto, mention that I PREFER a 5 speed, and personally can not wait to get my own 5 speed into my car.
Who went of the deep end on this? Hold on, I want to go back and find out who the first to jump on this was.
Ok, swaq started this got-damned fiasco, and jdub jumped right back.
THAT'S RIGHT - TIME OUT FOR YOU BOTH. :3d_frown:
Seriously, get off all of your high horses. Swaq, yeah, you came on really harsh in that whole 'automatics made for the driving challenged' statement. That wasn't cool. Notice how we're all joking around up until that point? You crossed the line there.
IMHO, jdub's just as much at fault - we could have left swaq's statement alone, or just went 'that was little over the line, man' - instead you just fed the flames.
Be bigger than that, people. If you don't like someone else's opinion, just leave it be, or maybe disagree in a POLITE AND CONCISE MANNER. If you can't do that, don't post more flame material.
What's with everyone flipping out and dividing SM, hmm? Cripes, I just made this thread so I could bitch about working on my own auto, mention that I PREFER a 5 speed, and personally can not wait to get my own 5 speed into my car.
Who went of the deep end on this? Hold on, I want to go back and find out who the first to jump on this was.
Ok, swaq started this got-damned fiasco, and jdub jumped right back.
THAT'S RIGHT - TIME OUT FOR YOU BOTH. :3d_frown:
Seriously, get off all of your high horses. Swaq, yeah, you came on really harsh in that whole 'automatics made for the driving challenged' statement. That wasn't cool. Notice how we're all joking around up until that point? You crossed the line there.
IMHO, jdub's just as much at fault - we could have left swaq's statement alone, or just went 'that was little over the line, man' - instead you just fed the flames.
Be bigger than that, people. If you don't like someone else's opinion, just leave it be, or maybe disagree in a POLITE AND CONCISE MANNER. If you can't do that, don't post more flame material.
Yep, like I said, that was really a little over the line. I don't think (in retrospect) is was NEARLY as bad as everything that transpired afterward - the spark before the flame.
But recognize it as the SPARK. The starting point.
When you see the spark, squish the spark.
Remember, only YOU can prevent forum flames. :biglaugh:
But recognize it as the SPARK. The starting point.
When you see the spark, squish the spark.
Remember, only YOU can prevent forum flames. :biglaugh:
Nick nailed it...Dread didn't say why an auto sucks, instead it's a personal attack against the driver...AGAIN. Can't make a vaid arguement, can't write in a coherent manner, uses personal insults in an attempt to win a debate....this young man needs to grow up.
We're specifically talking about this -
In response to this -
Although, the razz at the end pointed out to me that this seemed to me more tongue-in-cheek than serious....
jdub, on the other hand, yours had zero connotation of being anything but angry flaming.
SupraDread didn't even pop up until 1/4 of the way into the little flame war.
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I'll also point out this... I mean, you could have ended that statement after AGAIN, and it would have been fine. Yet you go off and insult Dread's ability to bring forth an arguement, his ability to communicate, and so forth?
It seems to me you did exactly what you claim he did - only you spelled and punctuated correctly. I'm not saying you are in the wrong - only trying to illuminate where this flaming is being bred.
jdub said:
In response to this -
swaq said:
Although, the razz at the end pointed out to me that this seemed to me more tongue-in-cheek than serious....
jdub, on the other hand, yours had zero connotation of being anything but angry flaming.
SupraDread didn't even pop up until 1/4 of the way into the little flame war.
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jdub said:
I'll also point out this... I mean, you could have ended that statement after AGAIN, and it would have been fine. Yet you go off and insult Dread's ability to bring forth an arguement, his ability to communicate, and so forth?
It seems to me you did exactly what you claim he did - only you spelled and punctuated correctly. I'm not saying you are in the wrong - only trying to illuminate where this flaming is being bred.
You know...you're right about one thing. I was angry...I've read dozens of these debates where guys bash autos without anything to back it up. I did flame the guy because I believe he deserved it...I didn't start it. And if you read my other responses in other threads, you'll see I don't flame someone lightly. I did let my emotions get the better of me and for that I apologize.
On the other hand, these two are exhibiting a "gang mentality"...swag gets flamed and his buddy comes in to defend him...using the same type of argument. My response to dread's post was actually subdued...I came to the conclusion he was not even worth the effort. I came to that conclusion because of my second statement...that's why I said it...it's the truth not a flame. Everything I've said was in response to what these two posted.
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time bowing down to the gang mentality..."we're right, just because". No substance to the argument, just personal attacks and nothing but. If you think I'm at fault for pointing that out, tell me so and I will leave. I am old school, not politically correct at times, and what I say when this happens may just come across as harsh. I also chose the target carefully and it's after I've seen the same type thing several times.
Like I said, if you think I'm at fault, tell me so and I will leave...I honestly don't need this.
On the other hand, these two are exhibiting a "gang mentality"...swag gets flamed and his buddy comes in to defend him...using the same type of argument. My response to dread's post was actually subdued...I came to the conclusion he was not even worth the effort. I came to that conclusion because of my second statement...that's why I said it...it's the truth not a flame. Everything I've said was in response to what these two posted.
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time bowing down to the gang mentality..."we're right, just because". No substance to the argument, just personal attacks and nothing but. If you think I'm at fault for pointing that out, tell me so and I will leave. I am old school, not politically correct at times, and what I say when this happens may just come across as harsh. I also chose the target carefully and it's after I've seen the same type thing several times.
Like I said, if you think I'm at fault, tell me so and I will leave...I honestly don't need this.
I understand where you're coming from jdub, I've got that same problem. I can not STAND a 'I'm right' without ANY EXPLANATION.
swaq set the spark, and it went downhill from there. BUT - you apologizing does go a long way to set things right.
Something I've found, is that when I have a really heated thing to say to someone - I take it to PM. When you private message the arguement back and forth, the two of you are free to duke it out, without it raining all over everyone else - I have no problem with two people arguing over the internet - but don't let it affect everyone else!
Thanx jdub maybe you didn't read the the sentence that said I am not debating the itelligence of automatic drivers vs. manual drivers like I said earlier idiots are idiots and as far as validity goes I will state again sport cars are just that sports cars. Trace the lineage of SPORTS CARS and you will find that they all started with manual gearboxes. Thus, in staying with the true heritage of SPORTS CARS which is usually what most purist in the SPORTS CAR world are going for when they purchase a SPORTS CAR, manuals are the obvious choice. For you so you can coherently understand why autos suck let me put it to you nice and simple, automatics are fine in other applications but in SPORTS CARS they suck. I don't have any need for pesonal insults period, and if I did I would say someone's name. I aplogize if ANYONE interpeted this as a personal insult because as I stated earlier these are only opinions people mere opinions. Sorry I have to go now and pay my energy bill then get back home to fix lunch for my two absolutely wonderful kids, before a good freind of mine gets here for me help him out on his car, grown up responsibilties sometimes get in the way of these entertaining post. Peace, Luv and good times.jdub said:
Thank you Doward you are a gentleman and a scholar. If you read my last post you will see that I think we are pretty much on the same page on a couple of issues. I really don't feel that any of this debate if you will is really that deep. There are so many real issues that exist in this world. I take all post in this forum with a grain of salt, and for the record I don't know anyone personally in this forum so I don't know where this gang thing is coming from. However, I did notice that swaq was getting a lot of slack and I would have defended anyone who I felt was getting a little bit too much neagative attention. Some of the comments were warranted and others were just a little excessive. In the end I feel everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and in this country everyone has freedom of speech whether you like what the other person is saying or not. I thought the same would hold true for these forums. In the future as in the present I will continue to keep it light and use more factual or valid points when debating a evidently hot topic.Doward said:
jdub said:
I don't know Dread, he's not my buddy... Oh, and btw it's swaq, with a Q.
Anyway, are we done beating a dead horse here? I already said I didn't mean for my post to be an attack on automatic drivers...
while reading this i never saw a post about how manual absolutely sucks in heavy traffic. this is the reason my dd is auto and my sports car(supra) is 5 speed.
foreverpsycotic said:
I completely agree. I got stuck in stop and go rush hour traffic in my 5-speed truck last weekend. It was miserable. Didn't help the the truck doesn't have A/C either.
Fortunately I'm close enough to walk to work so I don't have to deal with traffic every day.
I think we need to realize that the future is blending traditional automatic and manuals to realize the best of both worlds. Look at BMWs SMG transimission in the M3 and M5. These are eletrohydraulically actuated manual transmissions with multiple programming modes including full automatic and full manual. Shift speeds are programmable and can be as short as 66ms for the high-performance program. Downshifts integrate with the throttle to match rpms automatically, and there are programs to manage launch and traction.
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SupraDread said:
i still fail to see an argument on this when they shift faster, and u can still select the gears as u could on a manual, only thing terribly diffrent is no clutch
SupraDread said:
so i guess if i took my manual car to an autocross track and u took ur manual car to an autocross track and i made same time or faster then u i wouldnt be using any skill? theres more skills to driving then moving a shifter and pushing a clutch.
SupraDread said:
wow a front wheel drive 2700lbs car when reved to 5 grand and clutch is sidesteped it can break the tires loose, i was stating the fact that with 2 dollars and an hour of time my auto breaks the tires look on my 3650lbs rear wheel drive car into second witch is almost all stock, never said i had alot of power.
and theres still no argument for manuals bieng better. is everyone forgetting the torque multiplication factor of a torque converter?
first everyone said manuals are better for drag, wrong. autos can build boost off the line and hold between shift AND shift faster.
then they say its better for autocross, i gues maybe but i dont see how when i can hold my car in gear just like u can but i also still wont loose boost on shifts for the streights, but i will give it to u that the shift points are a little low, but manually shifting fixes that.
then they just say autos suck. whatever, this argument is just liek the argument of the 7m and 1j, theres always a shit load of talk but one is no better then the other. stock for stock ill give it to u 5 speeds better, but who stays stock? botom line, autos can do everything and more that a 5 speed can do.
and the reason for the paddleshifters starting to beecome popular, is because it converts an automatic to a manual. with paddle shifters u can select and hold any gear u want while still having the advantages of an auto.
wholy long post batman /rant
And the MA70 is not a sports car.
That is the end of this thread for me. What else kind of sucks is half the comments here were in jest.
When I wrote about driving and skill I should have been a little more specific and said skills. Driving requires skillz one of which is shifting gears. So if we both had identical cars and competed in a race which you won then your skillz would have been better utilized than mine or possibly superior to mine. My opinion 'cause I can't say it enough, for me personally is autos suck and are uninvolving. Sure I could shift an automatic but its an automatic it supposed to shift for me, I mean isn't that the purpose of an auto? My driving style 'cause I've been driving manuals for the last 20yrs is best suited for driving a manual. When I'm driving a manual its like breathing, thoughtless. When I driving an auto I feel like I'm going to go sleep and something is almost amiss so for me auto suck. Nothing personal just opinion, all 2 cents worth.nosechunks said: