IMHO the reason the MKIV's run faster in the 1/4 than us is the simple fact that they can get more tire in back...
That and they seem to have LOTS of practice
That and they seem to have LOTS of practice
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guys the 2j is a great engine but the 7m will do better at the same level. Most mkiii guys are cheap and it shows when we do mods and post videos. Most are kids and don't follow all the proper steps, and thus the community suffers. The 7m has the longer stroke thus we make better tq and this counts on the street. Next mod after making good power is tires... Wayy back i worked at a tire store and we had tons of low pro's in stock. I tested lots of new tires back to back on my turbo maxima fwd- this car could smoke the tires at 80mph. Lost alot of races due to traction. Ended up using toyo and nitto tires and playing with alignment specs, finally getting the car to hook.
Next i picked up my supra and a this was because i wanted a rwd car as all my v-8 buddys seemed to have no problem hooking on the street. To date i have not even touched my suspension just a set of tokico's and eibach springs with toyo t1r 275 35 18's and i can go full throttle in first with no tire spin at 480rwhp on the street.
1000rwhp is not really a big deal just takes time and money, but you will kill yourself on the street. You have to build up slowly and get used to the power along the way or it is just talk. Do you think you could take the keys to Duane's car and go for a spin at full throttle?... think again if you are making 300hp and have never driven anything like that before:nono:
Next i picked up my supra and a this was because i wanted a rwd car as all my v-8 buddys seemed to have no problem hooking on the street. To date i have not even touched my suspension just a set of tokico's and eibach springs with toyo t1r 275 35 18's and i can go full throttle in first with no tire spin at 480rwhp on the street.
1000rwhp is not really a big deal just takes time and money, but you will kill yourself on the street. You have to build up slowly and get used to the power along the way or it is just talk. Do you think you could take the keys to Duane's car and go for a spin at full throttle?... think again if you are making 300hp and have never driven anything like that before:nono:
7m can make 1000, as Rich said, it already has made that (and more) in Gary's dragster.
In reference to the 2j, the 7m will NEVER have the power potential of a proper 2j. This is not debatable. Limited bore = limited valve size = ultimately limited flow. You can port the head as much as you want, but eventually its like shoving 10lbs of shit into a 5lb bag.
That being said, the 7m can still reliably make much more than you need when built/tuned/maintained properly. Its all about spending the $$ in the right places....
In reference to the 2j, the 7m will NEVER have the power potential of a proper 2j. This is not debatable. Limited bore = limited valve size = ultimately limited flow. You can port the head as much as you want, but eventually its like shoving 10lbs of shit into a 5lb bag.
That being said, the 7m can still reliably make much more than you need when built/tuned/maintained properly. Its all about spending the $$ in the right places....
Why has this suddenly turned into a 7m vs 2jz thread. The 7m is a great motor. No matter how great the 2jz is, that fact won't change.
quake;1218728 said:
Dont have to tell me that...
Im one of the ones on here in the process of building a 1200+ hp 7m If i wanted to build a 2j i would have...
Talking about torque... the stroker kits for the 2J are abundant now, so the playing feild is level.
Stroker 2J is a monster...
Stroker 2J is a monster...
Well the average price is about $2000-ish. So, $2000 head start.
These are used motors average off Ebay.
And if had to start from scratch I'd be a fool not to go the 2jz route. Well, If I planned to make good stress free power, anyway.
But for now I have my 7m and if blow it up most likely put it all back together again cause I never take no for an answer LOL.
PS: I also like the sound of 7m over the 2jz - the 1jz is a close second.
These are used motors average off Ebay.
And if had to start from scratch I'd be a fool not to go the 2jz route. Well, If I planned to make good stress free power, anyway.
But for now I have my 7m and if blow it up most likely put it all back together again cause I never take no for an answer LOL.
PS: I also like the sound of 7m over the 2jz - the 1jz is a close second.
rakkasan;1218219 said:
Its funny hearing these debates about weather a motor like the 7M can make 1000rwhp. Of course it can. The weakest links will need to be upgraded. But the basic design is there-strong iron block and a forged crank.
And as for comparing the 2JZ; Saying that it's so much easier because of the better head flow is kind of funny too. Anyone who knows anything about turbocharging, should know by now that you can make the most inefficiant motor produce huge power with a Giant turbo and a crazy amount of boost. That's how the 2JZ'z do it- which are not nearly as efficient as many honda, nissan and Mitsubishi motors.
And as for comparing the 2JZ; Saying that it's so much easier because of the better head flow is kind of funny too. Anyone who knows anything about turbocharging, should know by now that you can make the most inefficiant motor produce huge power with a Giant turbo and a crazy amount of boost. That's how the 2JZ'z do it- which are not nearly as efficient as many honda, nissan and Mitsubishi motors.
The "weakest links" are people budgets most a70 owners don't have the disposable income to take a 1Krwhp build through to completion.
You think the a70 crowd is bad. Hang out on some Z31 forums. Most dont have the budget for a 300hp build, and that only requires a 3" turbo-back, intercooler (we didnt get one stock), and a boost controller.
Electramotive made around 1000 horsepower on the stock crank before upgrading it for endurance racing. The big problem is the single cam VG heads. Nismo used a completely different head casting for the VG race cars.
I would much rather start a 1000HP build with a 7m then a VG30E.
Electramotive made around 1000 horsepower on the stock crank before upgrading it for endurance racing. The big problem is the single cam VG heads. Nismo used a completely different head casting for the VG race cars.
I would much rather start a 1000HP build with a 7m then a VG30E.
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Supracentral;1217206 said:
No joke on this one. I just barely got mine running again, and I'd forgotten how much I hate using the clutch on this beasty. (Sprung hub, but it's still an off/on switch, not much slip at all, and it's noisy, and rough, and completely uncivilized around town.. )
But I suppose that's the trade off. (Or I can buy a carbon/carbon clutch, and possibly get a smoother engagement that will hold up over time.)
I doubt very much that is going to happen however. (Spending more money on this car is not an option right now. Selling it however might be.)
The RS6 calls to me every time I drive.. Power and refinement in one sedan package that screams sleeper to anyone who does not know what they are dealing with.
Add in a few mods, and 550awhp is very possible. So are mid 4 second 0-60 times.Then again, I must be getting old.. the ride and comfort of the A8 with only 300hp is relaxing after a cruise around in the Supra.
Too many toys.. LOL
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