To The Fucks Who Tried To Break Into My Home, On The Fourth

[Keros]

In Canada, you can only get away with it when you can prove in court afterwards that you feared for your family's safety... which is some pretty broad territory.

My personal method has always been to ensure the police aren't involved. Criminals are rarely genius level folks - and the ones that are, generally aren't hitting residential houses. As a result, they won't bring the law into a situation unless you do. If you beat someone unconscious, then call the police, the criminal will sue. However, if you beat them and then drop them off near a hospital or clinic, they will make up some story about getting jumped by a gang of kids, or more likely, falling down a set of stairs. Or getting bitten by a random dog on the street.

So what you're saying is two baseball bats and the element of surprise are much more ideal for Canadian laws? You're right though... what theif is going to go to the police to tell them he got shit-kicked breaking into someone's house. He'll probably just be glad it was a good old piece of hickory instead of lead.

No one will bat an eye at my girlfriend's pink baseball bat, but they may wonder why it's next to the bed.

 

[iwannadie]

So what you're saying is two baseball bats and the element of surprise are much more ideal for Canadian laws? You're right though... what theif is going to go to the police to tell them he got shit-kicked breaking into someone's house. He'll probably just be glad it was a good old piece of hickory instead of lead.

No one will bat an eye at my girlfriend's pink baseball bat, but they may wonder why it's next to the bed.

"is that a pink baseball bat or a dil... Oh..."

 

[DreamerTheresa]

Holy fuck, SupraMario.

Are you okay?
Is your dog okay?
Is your house okay?

 

[MKIIINA]

9mm glock with some hollowpoints.... enough rounds with no messing with sloppy safetys

 

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

It's called the Judge because it's meant to be conceal carried by Judges in a courtroom.... Again, why get a small barrel concealable revolver for home protection?

Because it's meant for small confined spaces such as a room. It has a pretty big spread. The perp couldn't grab the muzzle of the gun if he was really close to you. It all makes sense to me.

 

[Poodles]

Overpriced and underpowered compared to a true shotgun, and like said the sound of the action is enough to make most people run for their lives...

 

[SupraMario]

Holy fuck, SupraMario.

Are you okay?
Is your dog okay?
Is your house okay?

I wasn't home. Just the dogs, and house is fine, they did a little bit of damage to the door but it has been fixed. Who ever was attempting to rob us got a big surprise as the dogs mouth and floor had a decent amount of blood, police took what they needed and left. I'm just happy nothing was stolen and that ash (the Wiemeraner) did his job. Came home to an open door and him waiting like he just fucked someone up. He got him a nice big steak for that.

Love that dog.

 

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

I'm more concerned about hitting the target than scaring them with the sound of it. It's price isn't that bad. Just about as expensive as your average pistol. Shotguns are much cheaper, but someone could grab it. Then you'll be fighting to keep it rather than shooting it.

See for yourself at 3:05. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUF0Vij8lg
After you unload all the lead out of that shotgun into the intuder he could get right back up and grab your shotgun. Then you guys will be banging through walls and all... it gets too messy.

Oh yeah, .410 shells underpowered? Sure they're no 12ga, but it'll kill just a fine.

 

[Poodles]

I'm more concerned about hitting the target than scaring them with the sound of it. It's price isn't that bad. Just about as expensive as your average pistol. Shotguns are much cheaper, but someone could grab it. Then you'll be fighting to keep it rather than shooting it.

See for yourself at 3:05. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUF0Vij8lg
After you unload all the lead out of that shotgun into the intuder he could get right back up and grab your shotgun. Then you guys will be banging through walls and all... it gets too messy.

Oh yeah, .410 shells underpowered? Sure they're no 12ga, but it'll kill just a fine.

Most people aren't dumb enough to jump at someone with a gun, that shit happens in movies, not real life...

 

[Supracentral]

Most people aren't dumb enough to jump at someone with a gun, that shit happens in movies, not real life...

Watch the movie clip, he's f'ing around in an otherwise serious thread. Mario knows better than to listen to him...

 

[Suprapowaz!(2)]

Most people aren't dumb enough to jump at someone with a gun, that shit happens in movies, not real life...

When you're in a room with someone who is trying to shoot you with a shotgun you're options are to run and get shot in the back, or fight for your life by grabbing the gun/shotgun. You never know what they're going to do. Besides what if he blindsides you and goes for the shotgun? Will you be able to turn and shoot when he's got his hands on your shotgun? You may get one shot off, then you still have to pump it to load another round while he's yanking the shit out of it to get it from you. It's not like they're double action. Not everybody runs at the sound of a gun. Some people may instictively fight for survival and who knows what the outcome may be.

I had an 18.5" pistol grip 12ga 3" chamber Mossemberg back in my early 20's I used for home protection in my apartment back in the day. I bought it from a friend and eventually sold it back to him and bought a Colt 1991A1 .45 which I still have. I have nothing against 12ga's as I think they do make excellent tools for home protection. I'm just saying this Taurus Judge with it's short rifled barrel provides a good spread at short range... like a living room. Besides, the sound of any gun in a closed room is loud as hell.

 

[4U2QUIK]

That's my gun, but with double pistol grip.... I like it because of all the different configurations that you can have.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

I personally have a police style 870 Remington. Black on black, extended mag, shortest barrel possible.

FYI Mario, check your local Castle Doctrine laws before you go blasting.... or just have a great lawyer.

 

[4U2QUIK]

I'm loaded up with rock salt reloads It won't kill ya or go through walls, but if I hit ya you'll wish you'd been killed.

 

[Supracentral]

I'm loaded up with rock salt reloads It won't kill ya or go through walls, but if I hit ya you'll wish you'd been killed.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm

Rock salt is a joke.

Adults are talking about serious business here - home defense against an assailant with known bad intentions and the willingness to break into someone's home - go do something else.

Allow me to clarify something...

When you fire any firearm at a human being, under the law you've used deadly force. It doesn't matter if it's loaded with "non lethal" bean bag rounds, rock salt, 00 buckshot or a fucking armor piercing delineating sabot, the police and the courts aren't going to care that you "didn't mean to kill him". You had better have a damned good justification for firing that weapon, and you had better have justification for killing your target, because that's what the courts are going to be looking at, regardless of the "load".

If you're in a position of using rock salt to "scare" or "wound", you've got no business pointing a gun at the person in the first place. This isn't a fucking game, and 1/2 of the crap some of you folks have described is childish, foolish, or both. This is what gun control people thrive on, idiots with guns doing stupid fucking things with them.

Go take a real firearms self defense class. Learn how to evaluate the situation, learn how and when use a gun, learn how not to be disarmed. Get it through your stupid head that the best gunfight is the one you avoid completely.

At the very least pick up one or more of Clint Smith's videos from Thunder Ranch if you can't afford to take courses in person. If you're a complete cheap ass, at least read through (and practice) something like this:

http://www.wikihow.com/Clear-a-Building-with-a-Firearm

Read a copy of Forensic Analysis Of The April 11, 1986, FBI Firefight by Dr. W. French Anderson if you want to find out what happens in real gunfights.

More importantly, stop watching so much fucking TV.

 

[roundfinger]

A good Pump shotgun - has a nice built in intimidation factor when you pump it.
Stub nose revolver has its conveniences too but i prefer my beretta.

We use our house alarm all the time, have big, mean sounding dogs, and both shoot weapons regularly.

 

[te72]

Why choose a snub nose revolver for home protection? Snub nose is great for concealed carry, not sure who is CC in their own home.

Shotgun for home protection can't be beat I think.

Snub nose, like I said, are good for close quarters. Generally speaking, I'd want something less than 2' long (at least in a house like mine) if I had to defend myself. My sister's boyfriend has a Mossberg Pursuader that I wouldn't mind having though. Pistol grip, short barrel, 12ga of awesomeness.

Stub nose is something that would be easily hidden in the house though, a shotgun not so much, but shotguns don't miss in my experience.

Glad to hear you're alright though Mario, that dog deserved it's steak.

 

[ret]

I don't know why there's so much talk about pistols. Pistols are great for conceal carry, but why on earth would you want to defend your house with one? Think about it this way, in the time it takes a moderately skilled person to line up their pistol for a kill shot, an average person can close in from about 20 feet. When it comes down to stopping someone, do you really want to waste that much time? Shotgun's the best solution - rack, point and fire.

When you fire any firearm at a human being, under the law you've used deadly force. It doesn't matter if it's loaded with "non lethal" bean bag rounds, rock salt, 00 buckshot or a fucking armor piercing delineating sabot, the police and the courts aren't going to care that you "didn't mean to kill him". You had better have a damned good justification for firing that weapon, and you had better have justification for killing your target, because that's what the courts are going to be looking at, regardless of the "load".

This. It doesn't matter if you're shooting a bb gun, airsoft gun, paintball gun, whatever. It's intent to kill. If you have to defend that in court, you might as well intend to kill them. (In addition to having a damn good reason of course)

If you're in a position of using rock salt to "scare" or "wound", you've got no business pointing a gun at the person in the first place. This isn't a fucking game, and 1/2 of the crap some of you folks have described is childish, foolish, or both. This is what gun control people thrive on, idiots with guns doing stupid fucking things with them.

Go take a real firearms self defense class. Learn how to evaluate the situation, learn how and when use a gun, learn how not to be disarmed. Get it through your stupid head that the best gunfight is the one you avoid completely.

More importantly, stop watching so much fucking TV.

Everything else I couldn't agree more with.

OP, a shotgun's the only thing I would choose to defend my home, that and a dog.

 

[Supracentral]

I don't know why there's so much talk about pistols. Pistols are great for conceal carry, but why on earth would you want to defend your house with one? Think about it this way, in the time it takes a moderately skilled person to line up their pistol for a kill shot, an average person can close in from about 20 feet. When it comes down to stopping someone, do you really want to waste that much time? Shotgun's the best solution - rack, point and fire..

At Thunder Ranch, Clint Smith said it best: "You never take a handgun to a gun fight. If you know that you are going into trouble, take a long gun... A handgun is for fighting your way to your rifle which you shouldn't have put down in the first place"

In other words, a handgun is a convenient way to have a firearm "available always" when trouble is unexpected, but if you know a fight's coming grab your long gun.

I walk out of the house every day with my .45

I sleep every night next to a long gun. (Actually, on my side of the bed a shotgun and my .45, and on Theresa's side of the bed is her pistol and an AK-47 with a loaded 30 round mag -- at the foot of our bed are two very protective Akitas. We're a home invaders worst nightmare.)

 

[SupraMario]

I sleep every night next to a long gun. (Actually, on my side of the bed a shotgun and my .45, and on Theresa's side of the bed is her pistol and an AK-47 with a loaded 30 round mag -- at the foot of our bed are two very protective Akitas. We're a home invaders worst nightmare.)

Wow, that's gonna suck for whoever thinks about comin into your house.