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Speaking of 1911's. Just picked up a Kimber Custom Target II the other day. Very nice shooting.
Took one of my Dad's guns with me too, to test his new mags and had a very odd occurence. I'll cut and paste the LONG explanation I posted on 1911forum below:
My dad has a 3.5" Officer's Stainless Double Eagle. It's been an accurate and reliable gun until recently. Since this is my Dad's main carry/HD gun this has been troublesome.
He had been experiencing FTF's with the bullets jamming nose-first into the feed ramp (mostly JHP's) as if the mag spring was too weak or the slide was cycling too fast. He'd never had issues feeding these rounds before, so this was very odd. As a problem solving step, he got some Wilson mags to see if that would help.
Since I was going to the range today, I took his weapon with me. I fired one mag out of my Cobra mag from my Kimber with no issues. Second round on the Wilson mag - FTF. I clear a few of these and keep going through to the second (and last) Wilson mag. On about round 3 it did it again and after messing with it for a second I got the round seated in the chamber with the slide still locked back and the magazine was out. I know you're not supposed to - but I dropped the slide on the chambered round. I've done this before on many guns and nothing has come of it. I know it's not the way you're supposed to do it, but the round was already in the chamber - so what the hell?
Well the gun slam-fired. When I went to lock the slide back (no magazine, no empty mag hold-open) it kinda jammed. I released the pressure and tried again and the firing pin safety and spring fell on the table.
It gets better: the firing pin stop was on the ground at my feet. The firing pin and spring? God only knows. Buried in leaves and snow somewhere.
Any idea what the hell happened?
Took one of my Dad's guns with me too, to test his new mags and had a very odd occurence. I'll cut and paste the LONG explanation I posted on 1911forum below:
My dad has a 3.5" Officer's Stainless Double Eagle. It's been an accurate and reliable gun until recently. Since this is my Dad's main carry/HD gun this has been troublesome.
He had been experiencing FTF's with the bullets jamming nose-first into the feed ramp (mostly JHP's) as if the mag spring was too weak or the slide was cycling too fast. He'd never had issues feeding these rounds before, so this was very odd. As a problem solving step, he got some Wilson mags to see if that would help.
Since I was going to the range today, I took his weapon with me. I fired one mag out of my Cobra mag from my Kimber with no issues. Second round on the Wilson mag - FTF. I clear a few of these and keep going through to the second (and last) Wilson mag. On about round 3 it did it again and after messing with it for a second I got the round seated in the chamber with the slide still locked back and the magazine was out. I know you're not supposed to - but I dropped the slide on the chambered round. I've done this before on many guns and nothing has come of it. I know it's not the way you're supposed to do it, but the round was already in the chamber - so what the hell?
Well the gun slam-fired. When I went to lock the slide back (no magazine, no empty mag hold-open) it kinda jammed. I released the pressure and tried again and the firing pin safety and spring fell on the table.
It gets better: the firing pin stop was on the ground at my feet. The firing pin and spring? God only knows. Buried in leaves and snow somewhere.
Any idea what the hell happened?
How old is this gun? Is it possible that the slide guides are so worn it's getting out of alignment? Also, check for cracks in the slide, those parts shouldn't be able to "get loose" like that.
I'd ask a pro gunsmith that question. That's more than a little screwed up.
I'd ask a pro gunsmith that question. That's more than a little screwed up.
Sounds to me like a spring broke some where, and one part lead to another.
I doubt the firing pin could have escaped, but I also doubt its reusable....
Its gunsmith time!
I doubt the firing pin could have escaped, but I also doubt its reusable....
Its gunsmith time!
it's a mid 90's colt double eagle officer's model.
you doubt the firing pin could escape? trust me, it did.....
That and my Kimber will be going to my smith next week. Minor tweaks for the kimber, overhaul and diagnosis for the double eagle
you doubt the firing pin could escape? trust me, it did.....
That and my Kimber will be going to my smith next week. Minor tweaks for the kimber, overhaul and diagnosis for the double eagle
I don't doubt that it did, it just shouldn't.
Let us know what the gunsmith tells you. Colt's are hella reliable. There are plenty 50+ year old Colts out there still going strong.
To see one fail that catastrophically is just unreal.
Let us know what the gunsmith tells you. Colt's are hella reliable. There are plenty 50+ year old Colts out there still going strong.
To see one fail that catastrophically is just unreal.
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Sounds to me like the slide stop spring broke, letting the slide stop out, and then possibly the rear slide/breech/striker plate loose.
How the firing pin came out of the slide is beyond me. Post pics!
Jon - How about blasting through a few rounds here tomorrow: :naughty:
www.bluegrassrange.com
I'll be working around the house, but a break would be really nice. Maybe grill out afterwards? My stepdaughter might be around and very anxious to get her hands on some more guns, too.
PM me if you got time to come down.
www.bluegrassrange.com
I'll be working around the house, but a break would be really nice. Maybe grill out afterwards? My stepdaughter might be around and very anxious to get her hands on some more guns, too.
PM me if you got time to come down.
well pics wont really help explain things. it just looks like a colt double eagle (think the slide from a colt 80 series 1911 on a modified 1911 frame for double action fire) minus the firing pin and everything that goes with it.
There was some gouging on the firing pin safety plunger that could've jammed the firing pin in the forward position causing the slam fire and relieving the tension on the firing pin plate. The plate could then fall out (if loose) when the slide was in recoil. Then if the firing pin came loose, it wouldn't have anything to hold it in and would shoot out.
That's my theory, and seems to jive with what some of the guys on 1911forum thought, too.
There was some gouging on the firing pin safety plunger that could've jammed the firing pin in the forward position causing the slam fire and relieving the tension on the firing pin plate. The plate could then fall out (if loose) when the slide was in recoil. Then if the firing pin came loose, it wouldn't have anything to hold it in and would shoot out.
That's my theory, and seems to jive with what some of the guys on 1911forum thought, too.
Well me and Kurt (Shyteed Dumas) went to the range yesterday, and put about 1000 rounds or so between the two of us down range.
While we were unloading the truck, I told Kurt:
"I hear a supra. I hear a 7m supra!"
Kurt told me I had gone nuts.
Sure enough a white 89+ 7mgte package rolls around the corner.
We talked to the guy a while.
He said he was from Lexingon and had come up for the day to shoot.
While we were unloading the truck, I told Kurt:
"I hear a supra. I hear a 7m supra!"
Kurt told me I had gone nuts.
Sure enough a white 89+ 7mgte package rolls around the corner.
We talked to the guy a while.
He said he was from Lexingon and had come up for the day to shoot.
^^ Owns a 1J, too.
Let me just say that Jon's Kahr PK9 is absolutely incredible! I've been tearing through gunbroker all day, and he got a really great buy on the best CCW gun I've personally handled yet. There was ZERO print in my IWB holster (single stack, ftw), and I was surprised that it didn't feel heavier holstered. It was definitely a gun you could just feel the quality in as soon as you picked it up, and I shot as well with it as I can... I am officially in the market for a PK or PM9. :bigthumb:
Let me just say that Jon's Kahr PK9 is absolutely incredible! I've been tearing through gunbroker all day, and he got a really great buy on the best CCW gun I've personally handled yet. There was ZERO print in my IWB holster (single stack, ftw), and I was surprised that it didn't feel heavier holstered. It was definitely a gun you could just feel the quality in as soon as you picked it up, and I shot as well with it as I can... I am officially in the market for a PK or PM9. :bigthumb:
Well, I dropped off the Colt today. The gunsmith confirmed the theory of the member on 1911 forum - ie: something obstructed the normal movement of the firing pin, causing it to ride in the forward, 'Fire', position. Since this was an intermittent problem, it would sometimes cause feed issues because it would keep the round from entering the chamber and eventually led to my slam-fire.
He's not sure why it happened, but assured me he'd find out and fix it.
And he helped me get the new mainspring housing on my Kimber while I was standing there. For some reason the mainspring housing I got had an undersized hole for the pin
He's not sure why it happened, but assured me he'd find out and fix it.
And he helped me get the new mainspring housing on my Kimber while I was standing there. For some reason the mainspring housing I got had an undersized hole for the pin
I picked up a Springfield XD-9 4" this weekend. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but I'm already in love with it. It's a beautiful gun. :love:
Does anybody have any idea what the odds of needing to use a firearm in self defense are?
I know it's a really open question and could be broken down into home vs out in public, or brandishing vs firing, etc., but overall are there statistics on what percentage of handgun owners and/or ccw holders end up in this situation? No real point to the question, just a curiosity.
I know it's a really open question and could be broken down into home vs out in public, or brandishing vs firing, etc., but overall are there statistics on what percentage of handgun owners and/or ccw holders end up in this situation? No real point to the question, just a curiosity.
It's very low. Like as in you are more likely than not to die of old age before ever having to use a handgun in self defense. I don't remember the exact statistic, but it's often used by Democrats as a reason for why people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns.
It's a poor argument against owning a gun. You could make the same argument against having a fire extinguisher in your home.
Fortunately the people who wrote the Constitution are a little brighter than your average Democrat.
It's a poor argument against owning a gun. You could make the same argument against having a fire extinguisher in your home.
Fortunately the people who wrote the Constitution are a little brighter than your average Democrat.
I thought it must be low, but then again I don't think twice about changing the batteries in my smoke detectors on a regular basis, either. I'll be sure to remind those democrats to throw out their smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, and seat belts if that's all they have to go on.
If you ever happen to remember the source of the statistics, post up - I'd be interested to see.
If you ever happen to remember the source of the statistics, post up - I'd be interested to see.
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I love all your sounds.
Went to a little local gun show today with MAYBE 20 vendors, and I found a gem in the rough.
A 1944 Russian Mosin Nagant Carbine (M44). New, cosmolined, never issued.
Ready?
Ready?
$90 out the door.
A 1944 Russian Mosin Nagant Carbine (M44). New, cosmolined, never issued.
Ready?
Ready?
$90 out the door.
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