THANK GOD, The new Linkin Park Doesnt suck!
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"Hardcore" is a much-over-used and inaccurate word to describe a sub-genre of music, in my opinion. It's just like saying "heavy metal," because metal is a heavy genre of music in the first place.
If you guys are talking real hardcore instead of the fagcore bands like Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold and all that nonsense, then I'll get into that conversation. There are plenty of bands that I listen to that consider themselves to have elements of "hardcore" in their music.
Phoenix, I'm not trying to instigate anything here besides a musical debate. I have no intention of trying to offend anyone - you included.
I suppose I forgot where I wanted to go with some of this, but about the band name thing, I'm not in any way saying that the name makes the band. I think that there are plenty of gimmicks out there in any form of music. One often seen in metal - particularly black and death - is the band trying to portray a satanic image, which I think is a joke.
Much of the bands that I listen to do their best to stay true to what metal was when it was introduced to the world by Black Sabbath - originally a blues band named Earth - in 1970. Over the course of the last 36 years, new elements have come about and without a doubt, for the better. Even with the obvious influences from blues and jazz, real metal stays true to the original idea. Some may say that most of what I listen to is for the "metal purist," which I would consider myself.
The mindset of "We play what we like and if you like it, then great. If not, then move on... (to put it nicely)" is what I see from a vast majority of the bands I'm into. For instance, "NOLA Sludge" (love it!) is a sub-genre of metal that will never become commercial. The reason why I know is because many of those bands limit themselves to only doing shows in and around New Orleans. That style of metal has been around since the '80s and has never been over-publicized, leaving it to dwell in the underground. Word of mouth amongst fans, now largely assisted by the invention of MySpace* and underground metal sites (Bayou Underground, NOLA Underground, etc.) are how these bands get their music to the fans that seek it out. I know because I've had to search for a lot of it. It's actually pretty interesting how one band can open your eyes to another and so forth.
So your point that a band will try to target a certain audience is partially true, with the exception being that commercial sellout bands target the vast majority of the country or world while true metal bands - all sub-genres included - stick firmly to their form and may only welcome influences that are closely related. And that, my good man, is far from selling out.
* - MySpace is indeed a vastly-populated thing in itself. Simply because a band gets their work heard there doesn't have a thing to do with selling out, though. Would you agree?
On a quick final note, music is not simply listening enjoyment to me. It's something very special to me that I can literally "feel." Heart, emotion, feeling, meaning, whatever you want to call that I see in "my" music is what makes it worth so damn much to me. I am certain that my connection to it isn't something that is shared by the vast majority of our population. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Take it easy, everyone.
-Craig
If you guys are talking real hardcore instead of the fagcore bands like Atreyu, Avenged Sevenfold and all that nonsense, then I'll get into that conversation. There are plenty of bands that I listen to that consider themselves to have elements of "hardcore" in their music.
Phoenix, I'm not trying to instigate anything here besides a musical debate. I have no intention of trying to offend anyone - you included.
I suppose I forgot where I wanted to go with some of this, but about the band name thing, I'm not in any way saying that the name makes the band. I think that there are plenty of gimmicks out there in any form of music. One often seen in metal - particularly black and death - is the band trying to portray a satanic image, which I think is a joke.
Much of the bands that I listen to do their best to stay true to what metal was when it was introduced to the world by Black Sabbath - originally a blues band named Earth - in 1970. Over the course of the last 36 years, new elements have come about and without a doubt, for the better. Even with the obvious influences from blues and jazz, real metal stays true to the original idea. Some may say that most of what I listen to is for the "metal purist," which I would consider myself.
The mindset of "We play what we like and if you like it, then great. If not, then move on... (to put it nicely)" is what I see from a vast majority of the bands I'm into. For instance, "NOLA Sludge" (love it!) is a sub-genre of metal that will never become commercial. The reason why I know is because many of those bands limit themselves to only doing shows in and around New Orleans. That style of metal has been around since the '80s and has never been over-publicized, leaving it to dwell in the underground. Word of mouth amongst fans, now largely assisted by the invention of MySpace* and underground metal sites (Bayou Underground, NOLA Underground, etc.) are how these bands get their music to the fans that seek it out. I know because I've had to search for a lot of it. It's actually pretty interesting how one band can open your eyes to another and so forth.
So your point that a band will try to target a certain audience is partially true, with the exception being that commercial sellout bands target the vast majority of the country or world while true metal bands - all sub-genres included - stick firmly to their form and may only welcome influences that are closely related. And that, my good man, is far from selling out.
* - MySpace is indeed a vastly-populated thing in itself. Simply because a band gets their work heard there doesn't have a thing to do with selling out, though. Would you agree?
On a quick final note, music is not simply listening enjoyment to me. It's something very special to me that I can literally "feel." Heart, emotion, feeling, meaning, whatever you want to call that I see in "my" music is what makes it worth so damn much to me. I am certain that my connection to it isn't something that is shared by the vast majority of our population. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Take it easy, everyone.
-Craig
Raised with 3 headbangin older sisters I am lucky and proud to have been exposed to NOLA sludge at an early age. Alot of people whether directly or indirectly .. have made the same statement and that is music is a personal choice... I have the same emotional attachment to music.. sometimes it can say things we cannot. Imma coonass me, I listen to just about everything, from NOLA sludge to Zydeco and anything else born here in Louisiana.
I like different bands for different reasons, and don't care what anyone else thinks lol... so to each his own :icon_bigg
and anything else born here in Louisiana. I like different bands for different reasons, and don't care what anyone else thinks lol... so to each his own :icon_bigg
please, could you post a link to thies bands. i would like to hear them. napalm death is as hard as i've heard, so please enlighten the class.
thesandymancan said:
Why, certainly! Thanks for asking!
My favorite NOLA Sludge (etc.) bands are as follows:
Down - www.down-nola.com
Eyehategod - www.eyehategod.com
Acid Bath - www.skeletalcircus.com
Goatwhore - www.goatwhore.net
Crowbar - www.crowbarmusic.com
Soilent Green - www.soilentgreen.net
Agents of Oblivion - www.agentsofoblivion.com
The Mystick Krewe of Clearlight - http://www.teepeerecords.com/bands/mystickkreweofclearlight/
Some fine bands that are very much Sabbath-esque:
Kyuss - http://www.stonerrock.com/kyuss/
Goatsnake - http://www.southernlord.com/goatsnake/index.html
Earthride - http://www.southernlord.com/earthride.html
The Obsessed - http://www.southernlord.com/obsessed.htm
High on Fire - www.highonfire.com
Place of Skulls - www.placeofskulls.com
Corrosion of Conformity - www.coc.com
Cathedral - www.cathedralcoven.com
Bongzilla - http://shop.relapse.com/artist/artist.aspx?ArtistID=10013
Trouble - www.newtrouble.com
Orange Goblin - http://www.tyler.demon.co.uk/riseabove/bands/goblin.html
Acid King - www.acidking.com
Pentagram - http://shop.relapse.com/artist/artist.aspx?ArtistID=10078
Melvins - www.melvins.com
Saint Vitus - saintvitusreunion.com
Warhorse - Can't find one
Om - www.omvibratory.com
Internal Void - http://www.southernlord.com/internal_void.html
Weedeater - www.weedeatertheband.com
Fu Manchu - www.fu-manchu.com
That ought to hold you over for a few minutes or so. Most of these bands can also be found on MySpace. Just do a search for them.
foreverpsycotic said:
How does trance have a bad name? Because there associated with drugs?
At least our drugs are ten times better than drugs people use at rock shows.
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JustAnotherVictim
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JustAnotherVictim said:
They are. No joke.
Nothing better than hallucinating. period.
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JustAnotherVictim
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JustAnotherVictim said:
And overdoses from shooting up and od'ing on coke is SOOO much better.
At least we dance while on drugs, you guys f'in kill people.
Theres NO contest in saying we have more fun on club drugs!
NO CONTEST.
wow. u are a fag. have you ever been to a rock show? i am not even gonna bother trying to convince you. i for one have never been beat up and/or killed at a rock show. My cousin got stabbed 17 times and gutted liek a fish at a fuckigndance hall. all cause of what? cause he stood up for his girlfriend whop was being hit on by some dumbfuck geno's? tht is why my hate will always remain for te whole gangster club scene forever.s383mmber1 said:
JustAnotherVictim
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lol at the first part.CryoSlash said:
Too many people trying to be hard at clubs is one reason I don't like them.
The only drugs I see people at rock concerts with is weed. Last time I checked weed doesn't really kill people.
s383 dying from one drug is no better than dying from another. :3d_frown:
I've never killed anyone so I don't know where you're getting that idiotic information from.
CryoSlash said:
Ok, name callign is really not needed here. Nor is calling me a faggot. I would HARDLY consider anyone at a rave a "gangsta".
And i bet your cousindid more than "stand up"
JustAnotherVictim said:
Dying from drugs is simply because of stupidity. I have NO sympathy for people who overdose.
Having fun is one thing, letting it get out of hand is another.
When did i EVER give you the information about killing anyone?