So N/A guys, why exactly are you N/A?

[OneJoeZee]

I choose to interpret this as: Because turbos are like a penis extension.

My cock is just fine and I have no need to prove that in my supra.

I'll let the porsche do that type of talking.

I stay N/A because turbos are a false sence of power.

They still have the weak hg problem in the gte's.

SO you have bought yourself a HIGHER MAINTENANCE RIDE.
That costs more to operate on and or repair. Pending what breaks.

Weak.

The 7M-GE section gets a ton of problem threads just like the GTE section, so don't give me that.

False sense of power? Please...

Try again.

 

[supramacist]

Turbo's are fake power.

What happens when one goes out.

You can still drive but is it as fun?

Hell no. Hence FAKE power.

American made engines are hitting the same hp levels as yesterdays turbo'd cars.

That's real horse power. It relies on the entire make up of the engine..

Turbo's rely on that suck, Which is the basis of this theory.

 

[NikW89]

i got my N/A for 800 bucks with a new engine and i put an r154 trans in it. i fell in love with supra's. i am in college right now and can't afford to turbo it but i bought a turbo car for 500 bucks that was recked on the right side and i have the engine out i just haven't had the chance to rebuild it like i want to and when i get the cash i wanna get it all together. i already have the posi in the rear, the factory spoiler and the adjustable suspension so someday she will be turbo. Pennsylvania College of Technology.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Turbo's are fake power.

What happens when one goes out.

You can still drive but is it as fun?

Hell no. Hence FAKE power.

American made engines are hitting the same hp levels as yesterdays turbo'd cars.

That's real horse power. It relies on the entire make up of the engine..

Turbo's rely on that suck, Which is the basis of this theory.

Even weaker.

Keep trying.

 

[Ma70.Ent]

Both the 7MGE and 7MGTE sections both have tons of problems, but the reason for these problems is the same, and I'd say it's due to cheap people cutting corners, people not knowing how to maintain their car, and cause these cars are old and are bound to have problems, or a mix of those.

 

[CyFi6]

Even weaker.

Keep trying.

nobody is trying to offend you here. We are just giving our opinions.

 

[Ma70.Ent]

nobody is trying to offend you here. We are just giving our opinions.

Although supramacist is giving his opinion, I don't exactly agree with the whole "turbo is fake power" thing either. Technically, turbos shouldn't be as reliable cause there are more parts in it to go wrong, but I really don't think it's that much of a difference if you're aware of what's happening in your car

 

[OneJoeZee]

nobody is trying to offend you here. We are just giving our opinions.

I'm not offended at all. His "opinion" is just stupid. Turbo = fake power?

 

[CyFi6]

to each their own

 

[suprarx7nut]

*IF* i had the mechanical experience and know-how that I have now, I WOULD have bought a turbo bhg supra AND kept my daily driver accord. I opted to buy a good running N/A instead and sell the accord.

The body on my car is about as good as I have EVER seen a mkiii in person and the interior is near immaculate. Everything works (save the pass. window which just died).

To get a turbo in the same working condition would have cost me at LEAST 5 grand, which is a lot more than I paid for my N/A.

I'm a kid and don't need a fast car. Just something more fun and interesting than a freakin honda.

 

[Murd]

I went N/A because it was alot easier to find a clean N/A than it was to find a clean turbo in my price range, keyword there being price range. Sooner or later though I would like to do a swap, no rush though.

 

[supramacist]

I like turbos gents. Have nothing against them.
I agree with the majority of what's being said from many different members.

IMO.., I would rather have the belt of a super charger weighing on the entire engine.
Than a turbo. I don't own a turbo right now. And if I did it would be a car that I would
only have the dealer maintain.

But that's just my opinion guys and I'm apologizing to those of you that I offended.

I'm just a different school of thought than some of you turbo heads.

 

[Beatrice]

money is an issue for me, but for right now the N/A 7m is fine and the targa top adds some "flare" for my summer crusin'. i say to each their own

 

[Nomad707]

I like turbos gents. Have nothing against them.
I agree with the majority of what's being said from many different members.

IMO.., I would rather have the belt of a super charger weighing on the entire engine.
Than a turbo. I don't own a turbo right now. And if I did it would be a car that I would
only have the dealer maintain.

But that's just my opinion guys and I'm apologizing to those of you that I offended.

I'm just a different school of thought than some of you turbo heads.

Mostly superchargers have a lot of parasitic loss (look it up) while turbochargers have zero, and which are much more efficient in their no-loss power creation


turbochargers are the most logical way to go.

 

[BorHor]

How do I make my car turbo? I never knew it was possible.

 

[DonS1mpson]

I wanted a pre-facelift car and only a handful of UK pre-facelift cars were Turbo.

I originally planned to do away with the drive train on day one, simply down to what I had read forums like SM. I thought it was going to be woefully slow (and I'm use to slow cars, trust me on this one), but it turned out to be far better than some of the comments on this site would lead you to believe.Granted, they aren't particularly rapid, I sure can think of plenty of cars which are slower.

Am I that wrong in thinking that N/As get an unnecessary bashing when you remember stock for stock there is only 32hp separating the two?

I personally think that the reason 99% of NA owners want a turbo car is not because they are in the pursuit of more power but because turbo ownership has been hyped up so damn much.

I even admit that I've been thinking the same thing. I've came across an early GA70 that I'm giving some serious thought in buying, not in the pursuit of more power (It actually makes less power than my NA :aigo, but simply to see if the hype is justified because As an outsider looking in, I honestly can't see what the fuss is about.

 

[Ma70.Ent]

I wanted a pre-facelift car and only a handful of UK pre-facelift cars were Turbo.

I originally planned to do away with the drive train on day one, simply down to what I had read forums like SM. I thought it was going to be woefully slow (and I'm use to slow cars, trust me on this one), but it turned out to be far better than some of the comments on this site would lead you to believe.Granted, they aren't particularly rapid, I sure can think of plenty of cars which are slower.

Am I that wrong in thinking that N/As get an unnecessary bashing when you remember stock for stock there is only 32hp separating the two?

I personally think that the reason 99% of NA owners want a turbo car is not because they are in the pursuit of more power but because turbo ownership has been hyped up so damn much.

I even admit that I've been thinking the same thing. I've came across an early GA70 that I'm giving some serious thought in buying, not in the pursuit of more power (It actually makes less power than my NA :aigo, but simply to see if the hype is justified because As an outsider looking in, I honestly can't see what the fuss is about.

32 more horsepower @ lower rpms, 70lbft @ lower rpms, and turbo cars gain power easily on bolt ons. They aren't overhyped. They make power with little mods. N/As can do those, and will gain nowhere near as much, and after that, the options are up unless you're willing to break the bank

Just trying to be realistic here....sorry guys. I'd rather have a 1GGTE because it has more hp/torque than the 7MGE and is lighter, and like most turbo cars, responds to mods more. The thing is, turboing the 7MGE isn't that tough and when you do it you'll make way more power then the 1GGTE, so yeah...you decide. I like N/As, I own an N/A, but that's my opinion

 

[queenskid926]

I had a mk2 that was rusted out pretty bad. My cousin offered to sell me his 87 hardtop n/a. He had alot of performance mods already done plus it was a rebuilt engine with some goodies and some nice Racing Harts c2's, complete upgraded suspension, shocks, springs, adjustable sway bars, strut tower braces etc... all the way down to the bushings and a mean sounding borla exhaust. I was in love (still think i paid too much for it tho). I like the n/a. Im 19 and appreciate the fact that you can only do so much to the n/a so that im able to learn and practice driving techniques with it that i can carry ova when i go turbo. I was able learned about car control with the 7mge and how to drive a car at its limit and what happens when you push it past its limits. Gives me a chance to learn on a car with power that i can handle and not get myself in alot of trouble with. Now i feel that im able to handle more power and a lil bit more mature and responsible and am looking to swap in just a stock 1j and leave it stock for a lil bit while i grow into it and get used to the added power. Like buying a 600cc bike to learn on and then upgrading and you get more experience. I wrote this pretty quick so sorry for all the grammar mistakes.

 

[DonS1mpson]

32 more horsepower @ lower rpms, 70lbft @ lower rpms, and turbo cars gain power easily on bolt ons. They aren't overhyped. They make power with little mods. N/As can do those, and will gain nowhere near as much, and after that, the options are up unless you're willing to break the bank

Just trying to be realistic here....sorry guys. I'd rather have a 1GGTE because it has more hp/torque than the 7MGE and is lighter, and like most turbo cars, responds to mods more. The thing is, turboing the 7MGE isn't that tough and when you do it you'll make way more power then the 1GGTE, so yeah...you decide. I like N/As, I own an N/A, but that's my opinion

I honestly think the argument about bolts is a bit irrelevant in this argument, I'm talking strictly stock for stock, I can't see there being a world of difference between the two (although that 70ftlbs wouldn't go amiss ).

If somebody who has owned both an NA and a Turbo could set me straight on this it would be a big help as I've always wondered.

BTW The GA70 I mentioned is an early car and as a result came with mighty 185hp & 177ftlbs from the factory :cry:

 

[Ma70.Ent]

I honestly think the argument about bolts is a bit irrelevant in this argument, I'm talking strictly stock for stock, I can't see there being a world of difference between the two (although that 70ftlbs wouldn't go amiss ).

If somebody who has owned both an NA and a Turbo could set me straight on this it would be a big help as I've always wondered.

BTW The GA70 I mentioned is an early car and as a result came with mighty 185hp & 177ftlbs from the factory :cry:

Some people on this forum who do I/H/E to N/As say they feel a world of a difference and they've probably gained around 30 HP/RWHP, and who knows how much torque. That's what a stock turbo is compared to the N/A. 32-36 more HP, and 70+ lbft torque, and both of these higher numbers are all at lower RPMs.

For the GA70 thing: I think the older ones ran less boost, and maybe had a different IC setup. You can raise boost yourself with an MBC/EBC.