Not just another 9/11 conspiracy video

Nick M

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Besure to watch ABC's 9-11 special. Like "Saving Private Ryan", they will run it commercial free. It is too important not too.

Watching it, you will see why Clinton NSA Sandy (burgler) Berger, *accidentally* took documents from the archives and accidentally shoved them in his pants and socks and had them shredded.
 

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Supracentral said:
You might want to qualify that with some research or facts.

I'm thowing opinion here, I dont' have the facts either. However I don't think you will find that statement to be true in the end. I suspect you'll find that it's an extremely vocal minority.

I could be wrong, anyone have research/stats on this topic?

well the stats will be wrong anyway no one likes onejoezee! :biglaugh:
 

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I have seen it, have a copy on DVD my dad sent back from iraq when he was working as security contractor there. It's good but only the tip of the iceberg, I think its good presentation though because most americans have the attention span of a nat so it keeps going while still showing good information.

9/11 is the new kennedy assasination but the consequences are far greater reaching. Missing gold, Investigative evidence destroyed, free reign of government motivated by fear of terrorism, it goes on and on, it's not just about oil.

Good post, takes guts to post the truth or at least part of it.
 

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Wills7MGTE said:
Good post, takes guts to post the truth or at least part of it.


It pains me when people post stuff like that. How is it the truth? Can you say with 100% certainty that that's what happened? If your life depended on answering a yes or no question, and the question was "Does that video represent what happened with 100% accuracy?" could you honestly say yes?

There's nothing wrong with looking into the other side of the argument, but this just screams to me that you WANT 9/11 to be some kind of government conspiracy... in which case whose best interests are really being served? Your own or societies?

This is why I fucking can't stand politicians, they're always out working on THEIR personal agenda and exploiting bullshit like this video prancing around like they give a damn about us. DAMMIT! I wish I was a little kid again, my only concerns back in the day were when am I gonna eat and when am I gonna play my videogames...
 

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Here is some funny stuff.

Crusades? Never happened, they are just fairy tales..
Nazi's? Nope, again never happened, just stories told to scare little children by Hitler when he was running a daycare.
Atilla the Hun? How about Khan? Nope those guys never took over lands, and ran entire empires long before two cans and some string communications were invented...
Ottoman Empire? A myth, it never existed.
Persian Empire? Again you must be dreaming.
Romans? They are false to the core, and it never happened.
English Empire? Again your smoking crack man!
Soviet Union? LOL, you must be kidding.
United States of America? Again your off your rocker! These guys never existed...

Where are we in history? Why is it that for some reason, right now everything that happens in this world, somebody comes along and attaches a politically slanted view, and calls the other side a liar.

Why can't the "left" in this country just get over the fact that we have been attacked, and climb on board the effort to protect our way of life from those global forces that would so gladly take it away from us?

Why must they call "bull shit" to everything, and say it was our own government attacking us? They side with terrorists and call our government liars, cheats and murderers. They say our soldiers are killing babies, and innocents, not fighting against the enemy who clearly wants to destroy us, and our way of life.

As I'm sure you all know, the Nazi's were evil, Khan and others have come and gone, and they have ruled the world as we know it for sure. Time is the ultimate equalizer, and in time, the way our country is headed, we will be just another ancient power to be examined, and commented on how we were so great, and then fell so far, so fast. (Just like the Romans, Persians and Ottomans before us.)

Our enemies have to be laughing their asses off at shit like that video. Heck, our own worst enemies appear to be other US citizens.
 

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JustAnotherVictim said:
So are you seriously trying to say the government has never fucked people over for the benefit of the people in power??

That has nothing to do with the topic. Of course governments fuck people over.

But 9-11 was orchestrated and carried out by islamic terrorists who want to kill Americans. I don't see any of you moving to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan to prove your point.
 

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I'm with Nick M. (Nice avatar of our greatest president in my lifetime, Ronald Reagan. The man who ended the cold war will always be a hero in my book.)

Ok, back on topic, what does your government making a choice about the good for all being more important than the good for one have to do with this?

Nick has a point. If you think it sucks so much here, move. (There are many places that will take you, but Saudi Arabia is not one of them unless you convert to Islam, then they will suck your balls, and promise you virgins if you die for them..)

Then let's see who you think is trying to screw you over... LOL
 

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I never said it was 100% factual but there are so many things in it that are and point to governemnt involvement. It doesn't matter because liars never come clean and skeptics never prove thier theories wthout all of the evidence, but I would say 9/11 wasn't what it appeared and if you wanna think the U.S. Government is guiltless then do so, but I will never follow that belief theres too much doubt, if they had nothing to hide they'd release the tapes showing what really did or did not hit the pentagon and why 2 towers failed from aircaft fires when its mechanically impossible to do so, and why flight 93 pasengers made succesful cell phone calls when A. there were airphones availible and B. cell phones don't work at 32,000 ft.
 

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I don't like arabs or muslims much either, they are cut throat hate mongering people as a majority, not saying all are and this is still a good country but it has a lot of problems, PROBLEM 1 = Democrats, republicans, and imndependents, lets get real people with real ideas and pay them a normal wage and take the money making and corporate BS out of it all.
 

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flubyux2 said:
seriously though... slavery doesnt count because most of the black people of america STILL hold a grudge against modern day "whitey". most of them hold us responsible for what our forefathers did 400 years ago. and... lets be real, [these] black people dont like "The Man"... as in, any single person in a position of power over society. that in itself is inline w/ my theory of an oppressed group of people not willingly befreindng the group of people responsible for their misery. the black people who are upset about slavery today are not friends w/ the white people.

Derk, read much? apparantly you glazed right over the part where i said MOST. apparantly you fall into the category of people who dont hate whitey? lets be honest, the Black panther movement wasnt started in favor of whitey and "The man". so dont tell me that every single black person doesnt hold modern-day whitey responsible for what happened 400 years ago. im not being racist, im just being a realist. i like everyone who isnt ignorant or obtuse, regardless of color, race, religioun or creed. one of my best friends is from the middle east, another of my good friends is Cuban, another good friend is black. so im not trying to oppresse anyone or kick anyone out of this country except people who dont like it here.

the Quran doesnt approve of killing in the name of Allah. these terrorists are extremists. predominantly, muslims are a peaceful people. so its not fair to brand every single middle-easterner as a hate mongering muslim. thats like saying every white person hates black people, and every german person hates jews, and every catholic hates the protestants. prejudice is a disease, compounded by ignorance.

singled mindedness is also a disease, compouned by obtuseness. im not saying that everything in that video is the truth. im not saying thats what really happened. but it raises perfectly legitimate questoins that cannot be answered by the feds who issue official answers. their statements dont resolve or explain what happened. you only know what you see on mainstream news. and if you beleive mainstream news is unbiased and untainted; you, my friend, have another thing coming. its your DUE DILLIGANCE to seek the truth and not accept the information that is being hand-fed to you at face value. question everything. the day you start giving blind trust to the people who control EVERYTHING in this country is the day you give up your freedom. the majority of the citizens in this country have already given up their freedom by accepting the information being fed to them by the lying bureaucrats in office.

how can you blindly accept the information the government feeds you via issued statements and mainstream media when they have been proven wrong by documented trials? i

if you beleive that jet fuel can melt steel, you are an idiot.
if you beleive that cell phones can get a signal w/o the recently-developed transmitter onboard at 40,000 feet, you are an idiot.
if you beleive a plane can crash land and leave no wreckage, you are an idiot.
if you beleive that every person of the muslim religion wants you dead, you are an idiot.
if you beleive every middle-easterner is a terrorist, you are an idiot.
if you beleive every single bureaucrat in power is putting your best interests ahead of theirs, you are an idiot.
if you beleive that the government has not considered fabricating an event to scare people to putting blind trust into the govt and relinquishing personal freedoms in the name of "national security", you are an idiot.

what im saying is, dont beleive the right wing, dont beleive the left wing. its your duty to take both sides of the story, do your own research, evaluate your findings and come to your own decision. dont let the biased media make your mind up FOR you. dont let the government make up your mind about who you should hate and who you should like.

i know for a fact that there are evil people n the middle east. my friend has been there. his family moved here in the late 70's. hes been there within the past 7 years. even back then there are extremists who say "join us or die". if you dont beleive in their religion, they will shoot you on the spot. it happend 7 years ago, and its happening now. the middle-east is the new vietnam. we are poking our nose where it doesnt belong... but as a nation of power, some people (those in the middle east being killed by the extremists) beleive its our duty to step in and do the "right thing". should we stand idley by as innocent people are being slaughtered by the extremists? some say its not our fight. i think the government fabricated a reason for us to be there to convince the people who feel its not our business, to agree to our presence. its a multifaceted agenda, but this is one of the reasons. Bush told you there were WMD's so that he could gain the public's approval of invading the middle east on the pretense of eliminating terrorists... thats not to say there ARENT any, cuz there certanly are.

normally, extreme terrorist groups take claim when they make attacks. look at the suicide bombings and attacks on embassies. we know exactly who did it immediately after it occurs. these groups WANT us to know who they are, what they stand for and tell us what they want. a terrorist attack means nothing if we dont know what it was for. there were no terrorist groups who took responsibility immediately after the 9/11 incident. IIRC, i saw nothing on the news untill about a week later regarding who was responsible. but that was 5 years ago, so my memory is fuzzy.

just dont be extreme and single minded... be OPEN minded. accept possibilities and rationalize this shit. ask yourself if people ahve raised valid questions and seek answers for these questoins. just think for youself... thats all.
 

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I'm not a big friend of conspiracy theories myself, but I must admit there are some valid points in what flubyux2 and others said.
Scaring the people into giving up freedoms isn't far-fetched at all IMO.
Not necessarily by the government itself, but also by secret so-called stay-behind armies.... scary stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay-behind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

BTW anyone noticed that the date 9/11 (nine-eleven) is really well-suited as a buzzword, just from the sound of it?
Way better than something like eight-eleven or two-nine or five-twelve or "terrorist act on the WTC".
"Nine-eleven" almost sounds like a product name coming from some marketing agency. Easy to remember, perfect for history books :naughty:

Oh wait a minute, there's someone knockin on my door....
 

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encomiast said:
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Oh wait a minute, there's someone knockin on my door....

funny you should say that. the new Patriot Act that has been put into use in the name of Homeland Security... states that any single person can be deemed as a terrorist. in this patriot act, it puts into action a parallel judicial system. as such, terrorists dont have the same rights as citizens. this means that you dont get your miranda rights, you dont get your phone call, you dont get due process, you dont get trial by jury and you arent Innocent until proven guilty. the #1 technicality is that the Feds canjust SAY they have reasons to beleive you are a terrorist, come and snatch you up, throw you in a jail where you can sit, possibly, for the rest of your life. youllnever get your phone call, youll never get an arraignment, youll never get a hearing or a trial. no one will even know where you went. your friends and family will have no idea. you just dissappeared off the face of the planet. if you do get a trial, they can find you guilty and dont have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt and you can be sentenced to exile if youre lucky, or death for treason if you are unlucky.

how did we get to this point? we thought our national security was inadequate because we had planes flown into buildings and they collapsed due to a JP8-fueled fire :wuteva: so we said, "do whatever it takes to stop this from happening again". little did anyone know that this meant giving up substantial freedoms and our constitutional rights. the feds are free to employ martial law at any time. and if anyone knows what martial law REALLY means, youd know we would be fucked.

the first step to overtaking a nation is removing their way to defend themselves... like gun control. they tell you that you dont need guns... you have the military to protect you. what happens if a megalomanaical person gains power and decides they want complete submission and control over the nation... like a Dictatorship? Hitler did EXACTLY what just happened to control Germany w/o opposition. if you want answeres, you need only look at the past.

oh, btw, the Governor of california has openly admitted that he is a Hitler sympathizer. great guy huh?
 
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flubyux2 said:
Derk, read much? apparantly you glazed right over the part where i said MOST. apparantly you fall into the category of people who dont hate whitey? lets be honest, the Black panther movement wasnt started in favor of whitey and "The man". so dont tell me that every single black person doesnt hold modern-day whitey responsible for what happened 400 years ago. im not being racist, im just being a realist. i like everyone who isnt ignorant or obtuse, regardless of color, race, religioun or creed. one of my best friends is from the middle east, another of my good friends is Cuban, another good friend is black. so im not trying to oppresse anyone or kick anyone out of this country except people who dont like it here.

The black panther party was started in the 70's, when white people STILL were not treating blacks as equals. The "New" blank panter party is about as big as the Ku Klux Klan is to white people. It is a small MINORITY of blacks. And your statement about me saying every black person doesn't hate whitey is wrong. I never said that, I said blacks in general don't hold a grudge. And do you know "MOST" black people in the US? I doubt it...so you making the argument most black people hold a grudge against white people IS pretty ignorant


Wills7MGTE said:
I never said it was 100% factual but there are so many things in it that are and point to governemnt involvement. It doesn't matter because liars never come clean and skeptics never prove thier theories wthout all of the evidence, but I would say 9/11 wasn't what it appeared and if you wanna think the U.S. Government is guiltless then do so, but I will never follow that belief theres too much doubt, if they had nothing to hide they'd release the tapes showing what really did or did not hit the pentagon and why 2 towers failed from aircaft fires when its mechanically impossible to do so, and why flight 93 pasengers made succesful cell phone calls when A. there were airphones availible and B. cell phones don't work at 32,000 ft.

And when you called this video "the truth"... that pretty much says that you're calling it factual. Why else would it be considered the truth? And I never said that I believe the government is guitless... I said it's wrong to point to something like this video, that has about as much truth to it as the other side of the argument, as truth.
 

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ok, sorry derka... youre right. i retract the quantification of black people. replace "Most" with "Some". i know its not Every black person holding the grudge and youer right, its not the majority. but i do know there are Some who are still unhappy about what happened.

i dont condone blindly accepting either point of view, left or right wing. im not going to say one is right and one is wrong. i dont think its right to beleive everything the government feeds you, and i dont think its right to beleive everything that the anti-semetic's feed you. everyone just needs to wake up and open their eyes.
 

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The Demoncrats are up in arms over the new special leading to 9-11. It starts with the first WTC attack in 93.

Their problem with it is the fact that the Clinton administration treated terrorism like a law enforcement issue. (and not very well either)

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20060905-111623-5746r

They are really upset. The left always is when you shine the light of truth upon them.

flubyu, you do not have to melt the steel with kerosene, just soften it, which you clearly can do. And the structural damage from the crashes are extensive.