No Start on a 1jz, Starter?

[viperkillertt]

Update 10-30-07, 8:11pm: OK, not fixed at all. I was really skeptical and unsure what was going on. Well, i drove to Napa to get a new gasket for my thermostat and then i went to trader joes for some dinner. Well, got out and no start again. I was furious! I spent 2.5 hours in the parking lot troubleshooting it.

I first tried my idea of disconnecting the battery for a second, then i tried 5 minutes and then i sat there for about an hour with it disconnected. NO luck at all.


I hiked up the car with the tire jack and grabbed the ignition wire from the starter. What was super weird was it was reading only .3v. I dont know how that is possible. Earlier it was reading 1.5v.

So then i called my buddy mike and told him what was going on, we agreed that i should try to hot wire it. Well, being that i wanted to fix it for more then just the ride home, i found some wire that could reach to the battery. I added it to the female spade connector that connects to the starter. When i had it connected well, i tried it. NOTHING! I did hear the slight whirling noise that i heard before. Meaning it was definitely not the injectors.

I then got back under the car and pulled the plug off the starter once again and i noticed it might not have been totally seated. I then grabbed my tire iron and started hitting the hell out of the starter. I really didn't want to go home in a tow truck. Well, whatever i did, it worked. Either the connector was not seated or the hitting worked. I have no idea which did it.

So i am now really confused. I think there is still a possibility that the starter is still the problem, but i am not sure. I am very nervous to try it again. It really should not be reading less then 12v from the ignition when starting, so those low voltages could be the problem, and the starter could just not be starting.

Have any of you had a similar problem?

Update 10-29-07, 6:30pm: It is not the starter. It was just tested and functions perfectly. So i am very confused. It ran perfectly last night and today it wont work at all. I do hear a few small noises near my ecu, and my fuel pump is making noise. I was hearing a noise near the starter, but it wasn't actually turning the engine, it was just a small whining sound, it also could be the fuel being pumped into the cylinders. Anyone have any ideas.


I woke up and got into my car to drive to school and nothing at all. It was acting like when you dont have the clutch in, but being i never connected that part, it has never mattered. The only thing i hear is a click from my ecu. I havent had any starter problems and i have been driving it for 3 weeks. It has always started really strong. Anyone have any ideas. I am almost thinking it could be something wiring related, but i guess it could be the starter going, i am just used to starters slowly going, not all of the sudden. Let me know what you think.

Also, i have read from many posts that it should be a 1990+ starter to replace.


Anyone know how often the starter solenoid goes out?

 

[Jayhall]

turn the key off and on a few times. And by on i mean to the start posistion. If that works the contact points on your starter are wearing out.

 

[viperkillertt]

yeah, i tried it about 10x and i never got a connection. Also, how challenging is it to replace the starter on the 1jz? I know on my 7mge, it was awful! Is it really in a bad spot when the engine is in the car or not too hard?

 

[Jayhall]

they look to be in the same spot to me. But it wouldnt be in that location if it couldnt be done

 

[viperkillertt]

Does anyone have any other ideas? This starter has never had any problems previous, so i have a hard time believing it would be the starter. If it is the starter, what contacts are required for rebuilding?

 

[viperkillertt]

BUMP I need help. I just spent 2 hours removing the starter and getting it tested. It runs and functions perfectly! What on earth is going on. It is dark and cold now, so i cant work on it anymore today but i need to fix it tomorrow. Please if you have any other ideas, please let me know.

 

[JonoTurbo]

Alright, do your ignition wires work? If they do the check engine light comes on when you turn the key to on. Check to make sure the main relay is good in the fusebox. Make sure all your battery connections are really solid, to the block and the starter and the chassis, often having a weak connection will cause what you described.

 

[viperkillertt]

Alright, do your ignition wires work? If they do the check engine light comes on when you turn the key to on. Check to make sure the main relay is good in the fusebox. Make sure all your battery connections are really solid, to the block and the starter and the chassis, often having a weak connection will cause what you described.

Yes, the battery light comes on when i turn the key to the on position. THe battery terminals and connections are super tight and brand new. I havent tested the wires from battery to starter yet. I also havent checked the fuse. Being that i thought i was hearing the starter engage but not turn, i was sure it was the starter, but i was wrong

 

[Brewster]

could be a bad ground.

 

[Pernilongo]

I have exactly the same issue on my 1jz. I didn't drive the car for 2 weeks and when i came back the battery was dead and same story with the click. The battery is full now, I checked all the wires and can't figure out whats going on all of a sudden. Can ANYBODY help? I hear click what i think is comming from fuse box on passenger side and the engine is just not turning. But it does start sometimes. go figure. Where did you do your swap?

 

[bigaaron]

It's usually the keyswitch, I just gave someone a replacement keyswitch a few days ago who had the same problem you have. Put a volt meter or test light on the starter solenoid wire when you try to crank it, if the voltage drops very low < 10 volts, it's probably the key switch. That is assuming you already checked the battery and all the positive battery cables and all the grounds.

 

[Jayhall]

bump start and bypass the starter. If you really need to get somewhere. And i mean REALLY need to get somewhere. Park on a hill when you get where your going.

 

[bigaaron]

bump start and bypass the starter. If you really need to get somewhere. And i mean REALLY need to get somewhere. Park on a hill when you get where your going.

I did that with my truck for about a week, it wasn't as difficult as you would think. :biglaugh:

 

[Pernilongo]

If BigAaron says it's the key switch, I'm going with key switch. This man is the 1JZ genious, He acctualy knows everything, and i mean EVERYTHING there is to know about 1JZ.

 

[Jayhall]

I did that with my truck for about a week, it wasn't as difficult as you would think. :biglaugh:

the actual bump starting, or finding a hill to park on?? I had to do it in my truck when ever the started wouldnt work. Unfortunalty for me, i work on a man made island, and there arnt any hills there

 

[SupraClaou]

If the starter is ok,then you should check the electronics and the wires!
That thing happened to me once,and I thought the starter was dead...
But instead, the fricking battery was dead.After I replaced it with a new one
everything was OK!

 

[viperkillertt]

So yeah, she starts! GRRR. After all that, i didnt change a single thing. I just spent an hour putting the starter back in and started right up. The only thing i can think of is that the security system might have disabled the start. I dont have the siren connected, so maybe it went off for some reason and disabled the system. THe only thing that was changed was i disconnected the battery for 16 hours. Other then that, everything was the same. This is extremely frustrating. All of the wires were fine. Damn, 1jz starter ghost!

 

[viperkillertt]

OKay, not fixed at all. I was really skeptical and unsure what was going on. Well, i drove to Napa to get a new gasket for my thermostat and then i went to trader joes for some dinner. Well, got out and no start again. I was furious! I spent 2.5 hours in the parking lot troubleshooting it.

I first tried my idea of disconnecting the battery for a second, then i tried 5 minutes and then i sat there for about an hour with it disconnected. NO luck at all.


I hiked up the car with the tire jack and grabbed the ignition wire from the starter. What was super weird was it was reading only .3v. I dont know how that is possible. Earlier it was reading 1.5v.

So then i called my buddy mike and told him what was going on, we agreed that i should try to hot wire it. Well, being that i wanted to fix it for more then just the ride home, i found some wire that could reach to the battery. I added it to the female spade connector that connects to the starter. When i had it connected well, i tried it. NOTHING! I did hear the slight whirling noise that i heard before. Meaning it was definitely not the injectors.

I then got back under the car and pulled the plug off the starter once again and i noticed it might not have been totally seated. I then grabbed my tire iron and started hitting the hell out of the starter. I really didn't want to go home in a tow truck. Well, whatever i did, it worked. Either the connector was not seated or the hitting worked. I have no idea which did it.

So i am now really confused. I think there is still a possibility that the starter is still the problem, but i am not sure. I am very nervous to try it again. It really should not be reading less then 12v from the ignition when starting, so those low voltages could be the problem, and the starter could just not be starting.

Have any of you had a similar problem?

 

[foreverpsycotic]

My 1j isn't starting right now either. I get one click out of the starter and then, nothing. Doesn't matter much, the driving season, the modifying season is just beginning:evil2:

 

[viperkillertt]

Well, no start again thusmorning. Anyone have ideas? I need help.