Mystery cam bolt stripped! SOLVED

Albert

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So I got my boost controller working last week and after a couple 22psi pulls I parked my car at my buddy's shop to cool down. My buddy then decided to back up a truck that has BHG and proceeds to rev and dump BHG smoke all over my supra. I quickly jumped in my car to roll up the windows and out of instinct started my car. Since it was started I figured I would antilag scaring him to stop.

The car immediately died as I started antilaging. I proceeded to try to start the car back up but it sounded like I had a dead piston. Now I'm like "great! The 22psi pulls melted a piston"

I then noticed my cam bolt wasn't turning when trying to start:(clear timing cover FTW)
http://youtu.be/sFZcCyBFO4M

I took the cams out and down to my shop for repair. Here is what I found:

Exhaust cam threads stripped out and dowel pin was sheared right off
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Looks like the threads of bolt were only engaged 3-4 threads deep. Out of the full 1" deep threads on the cam. I compared the HKS cam gear with a stock one and found out the HKS cam gear is twice as thick as the stock gear.
The dowel pin was only sticking .075 into the Hks cam gear where as the stock cam gear the dowel would sit flush with the stock gear.

So I decided to make a dowel pin out of 4340 that is longer so that it would sit flush with the HKS cam gear:
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I put the cams into my machine and drilled them out and tapped them to 1/2-20 since the pitch is off .001. I then got a longer bolt that would engage all of the threads before bottoming out.

Thinking I solved the issue and what caused it was insufficient threads/short dowels/over tightened bolt. Boy was I wrong

After reinstalling everything, when I would go turn the motor over manually the motor would bind up. I for sure though I had bent a valve with the BC 272s

After poking around I noticed something strange on my exhaust shim/bucket in cylinder #4

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Well I spit a shim! That's what caused the threads to strip and dowel to shear.

After doing some research the cause of me spitting a shim was in fact the antilag. The backfires could backfeed onto the exhaust valves relaxing the tension in the spring. If the timing is right, bye bye shim.

Carnage:
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The bucket wouldn't come out so a nut was welded to it onto a slide hammer. Came right out
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Cleaned back up:
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1zz shimless buckets are in there way now


Discuss
 

adampecush

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I'd say you should consider yourself lucky that you aren't in need of a head rebuild. Hopefully that valve stayed straight through the whole ordeal.
 

MightyAl

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I was thinking that this story better end with shimless buckets or I am going to be very sad.

So were any of the cam lobes damaged at all from this happening?
 

Backlash2032

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Is this on a 7M or 1J? If its a 1J, the internals of the head look almost identical to a 7M

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Albert

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adampecush;1899639 said:
I'd say you should consider yourself lucky that you aren't in need of a head rebuild. Hopefully that valve stayed straight through the whole ordeal.

Right?! We leak down that cylinder, and when the damage was getting cleaned up we rotated the cylinder all the way up to drop the valve onto it and it all felt really nice. It didn't hang up at all.
 

Albert

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MightyAl;1899641 said:
I was thinking that this story better end with shimless buckets or I am going to be very sad.

So were any of the cam lobes damaged at all from this happening?

No. Small little ding on the outside of the cam lobe, and I mean little. Measures the same. So I say ts fine
 

Albert

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Backlash2032;1899642 said:
Is this on a 7M or 1J? If its a 1J, the internals of the head look almost identical to a 7M

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Yeah 7ms, 1jz, and 2jz all look the same in the head area. So do a lot of toyotas just the sizing is different
 

Albert

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They also have the same looking block internals with a crank, some rods and pistons and shit

;)
 

Backlash2032

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Lol.. I can tell the difference between a JZ and a 7M by looking at the bottom end though. :p

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BlackDevilSupra;1899659 said:
Great that the motor / head was essentialy unscathed. Keep us udpated with the process with the shimless buckets.

Yeah I lucked out
 

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Backlash2032;1899652 said:
Lol.. I can tell the difference between a JZ and a 7M by looking at the bottom end though. :p
I can do one better. I just put a cup under the engine. If I'd stick a straw in it, the engine must be a 7m. :rofl:

I keed. Albert, you're a lucky SOB sometimes. Lesson learned, check to make sure bolts are long enough? I mean that wasn't the root cause, but would that have helped? Or just made things worse if the cam bolt didn't give?
 

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IJ.;1900168 said:
Just in case it's needed ;)

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Awesome guy for sharing!.
 

Albert

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te72;1899964 said:
I can do one better. I just put a cup under the engine. If I'd stick a straw in it, the engine must be a 7m. :rofl:

I keed. Albert, you're a lucky SOB sometimes. Lesson learned, check to make sure bolts are long enough? I mean that wasn't the root cause, but would that have helped? Or just made things worse if the cam bolt didn't give?

They were the stock oem bolts, I figured they were long enough. It was the Hks cam gear being twice as thick. I really don't think it would of helped. If the threads for some reason didn't strip out the belt would of broken/jumped teeth.

14psi antilag on the car was fine. Did it all the time, I think once it was higher a big enough backfire relaxed the heavy duty springs I have, and with 272s it just said get get out of my house.
 

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SideWinderGX;1900359 said:
$13 a piece will annoy you ;) I'm hesitant to measure all the lobes and order the buckets, and then find out I need one size larger/smaller...
I just Tipped/Sunk my Valves so I could order all the same ;)
(only took a couple of thou either way)

I ran the car very hard for a long time, no issue with adjustment and Crisp is still running it with the same buckets, mine hit 8300 every time I drove it.
(even having confidence in hitting the limiter while 1500Km's from home)