Lets say I break into your house...

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benelit0 said:
My condolonces to the canadian chap who has been having the wifey/citizen problem. That REALLY opitimizes the irony and blatant stupidity of this whole ordeal.


I'm not Canadain, I'm American. My wife just happens to be Canadian. And
if her mom wasn't sick all the time, she'd have just stayed in the US, and we
wouldn't have to cross the border a lot. And if INS says NO about her entering
the country, and I can only work here, fucked up eh? I filled an appeal, and if
they say no...

As of January 11th, 2007 the United States will not allow MY WIFE to visit me
anymore. I thought a basic right "the right to life, liberty and the persuit of
Happiness" was given to all americans. I guess its to all who marry US people.
 

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what most people here are failing to see is that Illegals hurt you and rob from you, period. just because you dont SEE them in you face, takingmoney from your pocket, invading your home, and getting you laid off from your job does not mean this doesnt happen. think about this for a second; its all a ripple effect.

illegals come in, and take the low paying jobs. (working for less than minimum wage can turn out to be a blessing in disguise, since working under the table has no tax penalty and they keep 100% of their earnngs). then, this means they beat out unskilled domestic applicants because they feel their time and labor is worth more than someone who doesnt speak the language or contribute to our economy. then, these people go on welfare because they cant land a job in unskilled labor due to the illegals. what happens then is they become a drain on the economy, taking financial aid from the goverment and not doing anything to earn it; they are a victim of consequences. since they dont pay taxes, less money is availble to run the country and the domestics have to be taxed more.

also, they are uninsured motorists w/ no liscenses and dont know how to read our road signs. they dont abide by DOT saftey standards. they drive beat down vehicles w/ bad brakes and shot all too hell. they operate overcrowded/overloaded vehicles unsafe for highway use. they endanger their own lives as well as every other motorist on the road. just because its not YOU driving next to them does not discount the fact they pose a LETHAL thread to honest, hardworking, tax paying citizens. no one realizes this, but those Illegals that are being harbored endanger personal saftey and the way of life of these people on the road. now that you know this, is it ok that we can shoot them... because they endanger people's lives? on a side note, its entirely feasible that our insurance rates and premiums are being raised and we pay "Uninsured motorist coverage". that there is indirectly costing you more money thru their presence alone. in short, they are robbing you, even though they dont get your money. is it now ok to shoot someone who is robbing you, even if its not in person yet still directly related to their actions?

the most prima facia event which allows us floridians to shoot someone is when a person endangers our life or personal saftey, and invades our home w/ the implied/assumed intent of robbery and/or violation of personal saftey. the "castle Law" states if someone gains entry to our residence w/o our permission, we are allowed to dispatch them w/ extreme prejudice. on a similar note, there was a law passed that allows us the same ability if we feel our lives are threatened in public. if someone approaches us with a weapon, we are allowed to immobilize and/or take their life.

and the reason why people can take lives w/o batting an eye is called dissociation. if you isolate your emotions and avoid any semblance of empathy for the person who is endangering your way of life or personal saftey, its easy to dispatch the offending individual.

dont think in the here and now, think of what their presence means for you, your bank account and your way of life. all it boils down to is Money. not only do they EARN the money that could be taxed and returned to our economy, they also increase your income-to-debt ratio and cost you more money in the long run. this means your way of life is threatened. you can no longer afford to live in the life that youve been accustomed to. in some instances, your very right to life itself is being threatened by their presence.

if you can take their life knowing that you can save someone from poverty, a miserable existance, or even death... would you?

why should our people suffer so the illegals can prosper?

no, its not their fault for being born as mexicans. its their fault for becoming desperate and taking the "easy" way out. its their fault for being lazy. IM MEXICAN. my Mother came from Mexico when she was 18. my Aunt still lives there. my Grandpa still lives there. my cousins and other relatives stil live there. i was just there in dec '05 visiting them. ive been in mexico city and the surrounding provinces and rural areas. ive seen the shacks they live in. ive seen it ALL. remember the "Drug dealer shacks" on the side of a mountain in Cuba, on Bad Boys II? those shacks REALLY exist. i saw them in person. people have to live in those squallows and poverty. there ARE cities there though. ive been to tourist attractions and had Real life Pop-ups every 10 paces. people would intercept you and try to sell you sombreros, sandals, silver trinkets, rugs, ponchos, obsidian sculptures and all sorts of shit. just say "no gracias" or "no tengo dinero" and keep walking... or ignore them completely and walk by. you can live in mexico and not be miserable if you REALLY want it. my aunt is a therapist and advertising agent. my grampa is an OBGYN... and its Mexico.

the only way for people who take drastic measures to learn is to respond w/ drastic measures. for people who steal candy, they will learn w/ a slap on the wrist. contrastingly, people who take the life of another individual are punished with a similar fate; either metaphorically or literally. see, people who are on the brink of poverty and starvation and desperate enough to make a mad dash across a sun-scorched desert w/o provisions will only learn by similar consequences. a free trip in a van/truck back to their home is NOT a sure-fire way to teach them they are not allowed in via those means.

think this out before you reply with your short-sighted answers by saying "killing an innocent person is bad, dont do it mmmmmkaaayyyy" and "they do the dirty work you dont want to do... dirty work is bad mmmmmmkaaaaay" or "They deserve to have the chance at a better life, mmmmmkaaaaayyyy".

im of Mexican decent and even I say its ok to respond to these Illegals w/ extreme measures. its not prejudice or racism, its about protecting the way of life and liberty and what weve become accustomed to that has been afforded by the blood-shed of the Anglo-saxon forefathers that came here and stole this land fair-and-square from the ill-fated native americans... after all, it was partially the language barrier that opened up doors for the europeans to invade this land. the british took advantage of them because they didnt know what they were giving up. the domestic americans are afforded this right to a good life for the prices the forefathers paid. we had a revolutionary war which earned us life, liberty and the pursuit of happieness. what price do the Illegals have to pay to enjoy the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness that America provides? a sprint across the desert or swim across the river and crossing a fence... thats really it. they are riding the coattails of the people who paid the ultimate price for our way of life as we know it. doing our dirty work because "we dont want to" doesnt make it ok to be here without our permission.

its one thing to take food from the fridge at your friend's house w/o asking... but its another if you ask and they say "sure, go ahead".

Caddyshack said:
The world needs Ditch diggers too.
this will ALWAYS be true... but we breed our OWN ditch diggers. we dont need ours AND another country's. at least OUR ditchdiggers pay taxes and spend that money HERE... rather than evading taxes and sending the money to another country.
 
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JustAnotherVictim said:
I gotta stop you there man.
What you're reffering to is radical Islam. There's a big difference I know quite a few people who follow Islam but do not wish to kill everyone who is not Islamic. However what you say does refer to radical Islamics.

Lets keep this ontrac here fellas... but yes Chad is right. EVEN ISLAM commands you to rid the earth of "Infidels".

Do you know what the penalty is for leaving the Islam religion?

DEATH.

By stoning! Oh yay!

:nono:

Any ways, I like where this discussion has gone.

What boggles my mind, and I saw it first hand when I went to public school in California:

Most if not ALL of the latino/mexican students got FREE breakfast, lunch and school supplies (pen paper etc). Now were not talking a muffin and some juice here people - these school breakfasts would make a Hilton proud.

And it was all due to the fact that they were low income. And guess what? Ever single one of them had a cell phone, a nice bike, or was picked up in an expensive SUV or CAR. WTF?

So Im going to school, having to make sure Im with my "snowflakes" 24/7, having to watch my back 24/7, and they take my parents' tax money freely yet want to kick my ass every day.

Then, what do you know! The pricipal and superintendant are Latino/Mexican.

"You know you white kids shouldn't pick on those poor mexicans all the time. The like to fight you know. Im giving you a detention."

What happend to the little gang banger wanna be?

NOT SH!T.

Then (I clearly remember this)...

The department was ordered to spend over $100k in upgrades in the computer science lab.

NOT 24 HOURS LATER ever little gang banger had his or hers new tagging insignia scribed on the machines.

Nice huh? What appreciation!

Oh but mind you all of thier parents are "good" people who are doing the jobs "no one else" wants.

What a load of HS!~
 

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I have avoided this so far, but now.....


What MDC is saying is absolutely correct!!!!!

I am having to find a way to come up with $1,000 to pay a hospital bill I can't afford because we just had a baby. Mind you, my wife and I both have insurance. This is our first child at the age of 29. We graduated college, bought a house and had good jobs so we could "afford" our children.

Yet I KNOW FOR A FACT that there are others that don't pay for insurance (don't have insurance), and don't pay a dime when their multiple children were born. Oh and they are from Mexico.

But that doesn't really matter because I'd still be pissed if they were from Canada, America, UK, Spain, Japan, Sri Lanka, India, Budapest, Abu Dhabi, France, Netherlands, etc, etc...

WTF sense does that make?????????????????

Our system is setup to reward those who don't take responsibility for their own lives, actions, decisions.
 

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Where the HELL did you get that idea????
Dude, study a bit about Islam before you say half assed things.
The Qur'an SPECIFICALLY COMMANDS Muslims to KILL infadels who will not convert to Islam. All this BS about Islam being a peaceful religion is simply not true. They are killing us because the US supports Israel (the worst infadels in the eyes of a Muslim) and they perceive America to be a Christian nation. See, Islam is weird: you aren't guaranteed Paradise (their Heaven, so to speak) just for being a Muslim.
Who told you that? FOX news?
You might want to take a look at this:
http://www.proislam.com/column_quran_violent.htm
You could as well say that the Bible is full of violence and preaches hate. It all depends on the context.

But it doesn't have anything to do with this thread's original topic anyway...
 

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encomiast said:
Who told you that? FOX news?
You might want to take a look at this:
http://www.proislam.com/column_quran_violent.htm
You could as well say that the Bible is full of violence and preaches hate. It all depends on the context.

But it doesn't have anything to do with this thread's original topic anyway...

Funny you whine about taking things out of context, then post an op-ed that does the same thing.
 

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http://www.proislam.com/column_quran_violent.htm

Hardly a unbiased resource. The very name of the site indicates the entire point is PRO islam... You'd have to site something a little more impartial for me to even bother with it.

Regardless of what the 'true' beliefs of Islam are, you'd have to admit that the quite a lot of the current practioners (and leaders) of the religion are certainly a violent bunch. And if they don't engage in it, they certainly condone it either by action or inaction. Sorry, but too much violence comes from that sector of the population to take your claim seriously.

Does that mean all Muslims are violent? Certainly not. However, if the majority of Muslims are non-violent, they might want to speak out and take action a little more about the violence that comes from other Muslims.

Actions speak considerably louder than words. What I'm hearing from the actions of that sector of the population doesn't lead me to put any credence in your defense of them.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. Those same 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals put to death in the last 65 years...

Violence from Islam is a fact. Don't like it, end it. Join the rest of the world in hunting these people down and putting them away. But it's a rare country with an Islamic government that isn't a haven for these folks.

As a matter of fact, would you care to see what violent islamics have done in the last 14 days alone?

Let's take a look:

9/14/06 Afghanistan Bakwa Religious extremists attack a police station, killing two officers.
9/14/06 Iraq Baghdad Islamic terrorists set off two bombs, one at a photography shop and the other in a city street, killing ten innocents.
9/13/06 Afghanistan Farah A UN humanitarian worker is murdered by Muslim militants on a road.
9/13/06 Iraq Baghdad Jihadis kill fourteen people on a city street with a car bomb packed with shrapnel.
9/13/06 Iraq Baghdad Sixty-nine victims of sectarian violence are found bound, tortured and murdered over a 24-hour period.
9/12/06 Iraq Bani Saad Seven Shia worshippers are murdered in their own mosque by Sunni bombers.
9/12/06 Iraq Baghdad Six civilians are shredded by a Jihadi car bomb in a commercial district.
9/12/06 India Thandi Dhok A husband and wife are murdered in their home by the Mujahideen.
9/12/06 Turkey Amed An ultra-nationalist group with Islamist ties bombs a bus stop, killing ten Kurds, including seven children.
9/12/06 Syria Damascus Terrorists shouting 'Allah Akbar' detonate a car bomb and attempt to storm the U.S. embassy. A Syrian guard is killed.
9/11/06 India Kulgam A security official succumbs to injuries from a terrorist ambush.
9/11/06 Thailand Yala A Buddhist woman is gunned down by militant Muslims in her grocery store.
9/11/06 Afghanistan Khost A 12-year-old boy is among six people murdered by a suicide bomber at a funeral for a previous victim of a suicide bombing.
9/11/06 Iraq Baghdad Four civilians are killed in a Jihadi shrapnel bombing.
9/11/06 Iraq Baghdad Sixteen people are blown to bits by a suicidal Sunni on a bus.
9/10/06 Iraq Baghdad Two car bombs set by Islamic militants kill at least six people.
9/10/06 Pakistan Wana A tribal leader is gunned down by Islamists as he is walking home.
9/10/06 Afghanistan Gardez A suicide bomber kills a regional official and two others.
9/10/06 Iraq Tuz Khurmato Jihadi gunmen murder four oil workers.
9/10/06 Iraq Mosul A barber is murdered by religious fundamentalists.
9/9/06 Indonesia Poso A young Christian woman is killed when Islamic radicals throw a bomb at her house.
9/9/06 India Doda The Mujahideen raid a police station, killing two officers and stealing weapons.
9/9/06 India Ahlan A civilian is killed by Islamic militants.
9/9/06 Pakistan Garjakh A man murders his nephew and nephew's girlfriend for an 'illicit relationship.'
9/9/06 Pakistan Miramshah The local Taliban pump a 70-year-old man full of bullets and leave him with a note attached to his body.
9/9/06 India Sonwar A taxi driver is killed, and a young girl severely injured in a Mujahideen attack.
9/9/06 India Bandipore Islamic terrorists open fire on a fruit vendor.
9/9/06 India Doda The Mujahideen gun down a man and seriously injure his wife.
9/9/06 Iraq Baiji Three civilians are killed in separate bombings.
9/9/06 Iraq Mosul A 10-year-old boy is killed and his mother injured inside their home by Muslim terrorists.
9/9/06 Iraq Baghdad Jihadis murder twenty-one innocents in a series of bombing and shooting attacks across the city.
9/8/06 Iraq Baghdad A woman and child are among three people killed by an incendiary bomb planted by Islamic terrorists.
9/8/06 Afghanistan Kabul The lives of eighteen people are snuffed out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber in a downtown blast.
9/8/06 Pakistan Barkhan Five people are killed in the bombing of a bus station.
9/8/06 India Doda A man is kidnapped by the Mujahideen. He dies two days later from injuries suffered.
9/8/06 India Malegaon Pakistani-backed militants are thought to be responsible for multiple bomb blasts that leave thirty-one dead and three-hundred injured.
9/8/06 Iraq Baghdad Seven victims of sectarian violence are found bound, tortured and executed.
9/7/06 Afghanistan Kabul Three British soldiers die in a single day from attacks by religious extremists.
9/7/06 India Budbug The Mujahideen invade a home and kill a resident.
9/7/06 Iraq Suwayra A woman is among three people tortured and beheaded by Islamic radicals.
9/7/06 Iraq Baghdad Islamic terrorists mow down nearly forty people in various attacks around the country.
9/7/06 India Srinagar A high school student succumbs to injuries suffered from a terror attack the week before.
9/6/06 Iraq Baghdad A horrible car bombing kills eight Iraqis and injures dozens more. The bodies of nineteen victims of sectarian violence are found elsewhere.
9/6/06 Afghanistan Yaqubi A sucide bomber kills a teacher and one other person.
9/6/06 Pakistan Kaga A 12-year-old girl is killed in her home by al-Qaeda backed militants.
9/6/06 Indonesia Tangkuran A Christian is killed in a bombing attack by militant Muslims.
9/5/06 Lebanon Rmeileh Four members of a detail investigating a Christian's death are themselves killed in a bombing by Muslim radicals.
9/5/06 Thailand Yala An older woman is killed in her home by Islamists.
9/5/06 Iraq Baghdad Eighteen innocents are murdered in at least four separate terror attacks around the country.
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat Muslims gun down a man sitting in a tea shop.
9/5/06 Iraq Baghdad Four Shia pilgrims are gunned down in two attacks by Sunni extremists (the other in Latifiya).
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat Muslim militants set fire to a house, killing a 61-year-old man.
9/5/06 India Sopore The Hizb-ul-Mujahideen murder a student returning home from classes.
9/5/06 Sudan Khartoum A newspaper editor is kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic hard-liners after publishing an article questioning Muhammad's parentage.
9/5/06 Pakistan Phuldayun A Muslim man guns down his wife, a young mother, in an 'honor' killing.
9/4/06 India Tangmarg An off-duty soldier and his kid brother are brutally murdered by Islamic extremists.
9/4/06 Iraq Baghdad Thirty-three victims are found tortured and executed by sectarian rivals.
9/4/06 Jordan Amman A terrorist yells, 'Allah Akbar' while gunning down a British tourist and injuring five others.
9/4/06 Iraq Basra Islamic terrorists attack a British patrol, killing two members.
9/4/06 Afghanistan Kabul Six civilians are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber. The casualties included children.
9/4/06 Philippines Jolo Abu Sayyaf militants kill five troops trying to apprehend two Bali bombers.
9/4/06 India Kashmir Seven Indian troops are killed in three separate attacks by Islamic militants.
9/4/06 Afghanistan Parwan Religious extremists attack a police vehicle, killing three occupants.
9/3/06 Iraq Baghdad Jihadis mortar a residential neighborhood, killing six people, including two children.
9/3/06 Iraq Khalis Muslim terrorists bomb a market, killing at least four patrons.
9/3/06 Turkey Istanbul An Imam is stabbed to death by a religious fanatic.
9/2/06 Afghanistan Helmand The Taliban muder three police at a checkpoint.
9/2/06 Afghanistan Nimroz The Taliban kill four Afghan police officers and abduct ten others.
9/2/06 Iraq Baghdad A series of bombings and sectarian shootings leave at least nine civilians dead.
9/2/06 Algeria Adekar Islamic fundamentalists ambush a security patrol and kill four members.
9/2/06 Algeria Ouled Hamza Two community guards are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists.
9/2/06 India Gani Hamam A vegetable vendor is murdered by the Mujahideen.
9/2/06 Iraq Karbala Fourteen South Asian pilgrims are massacred by Sunni terrorists, along with three other locals.
9/1/06 Iraq Mahmudiya A child is killed inside a home that Jihadis try to level with a rocket.
9/1/06 India Darwashbagh Islamic militants abduct and murder a civilian.
9/1/06 India Pulwama A man is murdered by the Mujahideen in an attack that also injures two family members.

485 killed, 904 injured. That's TWO WEEKS!!!!

Do something about this shit if you don't like the perception that Islam is violent.

encomiast said:
You could as well say that the Bible is full of violence and preaches hate.

I'd agree with that statemet as well. I've seen more vile behavior out of so called "christians" than I care to contemplate. From them I see intolerance, hatred and fear. Not particularly endearing traits either. However they seem to rarely get on a bus full of people and detonate an explosive. I wish I could say the same for the people you are defending.
 

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If I understand correctly, now you guys are making the leap from Mexicans crossing the border to radical muslim fundamentalists? How exactly did that happen?
 

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Because Mexico does not enforce boreder protection, and it is a way for Muslim terrorists to enter the country. They entered for 9-11 through Canada with legit passports, but of other people. Nobody to blame for that one but us.

The poster was pointing that out, and it evolved into a thread on the terrorists. That is how.
 
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Hardly a unbiased resource. The very name of the site indicates the entire point is PRO islam... You'd have to site something a little more impartial for me to even bother with it.

<<SNIP>>

485 killed, 904 injured. That's TWO WEEKS!!!!

Do something about this shit if you don't like the perception that Islam is violent.



I'd agree with that statemet as well. I've seen more vile behavior out of so called "christians" than I care to contemplate. From them I see intolerance, hatred and fear. Not particularly endearing traits either. However they seem to rarely get on a bus full of people and detonate an explosive. I wish I could say the same for the people you are defending.
Mike if you don't mind I'm going to save that post...

I know that most islamists are not violent and murderous but your post summed up exactly why we must go after the muslim extremists and why the attitude that Islam is violent is so widely accepted...

bravo on that post...excellent research there.
 
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i didnt read past the first post, but i would first like to say i agree something should be done to protect our borders, and perhaps make it easy for mexicans and latin-americans to come into this country legally, while keeping harmful people out.

however mdc, do you realise what the illegal immigrants are doing is exactly what the united states did to mexico in texas and california?

the mexican war:
in 1821 when mexico gained it's independence from spain, it ruled over california for about 27 years before the united states invaded them. American settlers came from the east and settled in california. when the number of american settlers grew a bit, they revolted against the mexican government. shortly after, the tension in texas led to war between the US and mexico, and the california settlers were backed up by the US military. in 1848, the war ended with texas, california, and new mexico/arizona going under US control.
the reason for the invasion was manifest destiny. president polk wanted the western territory's for the US, and after trying to buy them from mexico, he attacked them for refusing to sell.

another reason i brought this up is because after the war, american settlers became squatters on some of the mexican's land. the owners were now americans, and they legally owned the land, but the US government wouldn't do anything about the white settlers taking over their land.

it was like someone breaking into their house and taking it :)

p.s. when we were discussing this in my CA history class, the professor asked "what would you do if you came home and some stranger had put up a tent in your backyard and refused to leave?"

i said "grab my 45 and..." but she cut me off and said "you would probably call the police.." oh...police, ok. :)

i dont want to sound like some liberal lefty pussy, but i think you need to realise the irony of this metaphor, and think of these illegal immigrants as human beings, not a political item.
 

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encomiast said:
Who told you that? FOX news?
You might want to take a look at this:
http://www.proislam.com/column_quran_violent.htm
You could as well say that the Bible is full of violence and preaches hate. It all depends on the context.

But it doesn't have anything to do with this thread's original topic anyway...
Economiast,
Obviously not every Muslims is out there bombing the hell out of Christians. There are lots of very peaceful Muslims who are actually very tolerant and nice to those of other faiths. But this 'radical Islam' group is more than just a tiny super minority, they are a powerful group, and do lots of harm, as can be seen by Supracentral's post.

Anyway, its pretty funny that you pick out a small part of my post and then whine about it being off topic. Thats not all I said...

This thread has gotten pretty far off topic, tho. The point of this is, illegals are ILLEGAL, I DON'T CARE WHY THEY'RE HERE, THEY AREN'T LEGAL. IF THEY BROKE A LAW TO GET HERE, WHY WOULD THEY RESPECT ANY OTHER LAWS? They are taking our resources and stealing from our taxpaying citizens, both indrectly and in many cases directly. It has to stop somewhere. Period.

LuvMySilverSupra said:
p.s. when we were discussing this in my CA history class, the professor asked "what would you do if you came home and some stranger had put up a tent in your backyard and refused to leave?"

i said "grab my 45 and..." but she cut me off and said "you would probably call the police.." oh...police, ok. :)
ROFLMAO!!!! HAHAHA!
 

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LuvMySilverSupra said:
i didnt read past the first post, but i would first like to say i agree something should be done to protect our borders, and perhaps make it easy for mexicans and latin-americans to come into this country legally, while keeping harmful people out.

however mdc, do you realise what the illegal immigrants are doing is exactly what the united states did to mexico in texas and california?

the mexican war:
in 1821 when mexico gained it's independence from spain, it ruled over california for about 27 years before the united states invaded them. American settlers came from the east and settled in california. when the number of american settlers grew a bit, they revolted against the mexican government. shortly after, the tension in texas led to war between the US and mexico, and the california settlers were backed up by the US military. in 1848, the war ended with texas, california, and new mexico/arizona going under US control.
the reason for the invasion was manifest destiny. president polk wanted the western territory's for the US, and after trying to buy them from mexico, he attacked them for refusing to sell.

another reason i brought this up is because after the war, american settlers became squatters on some of the mexican's land. the owners were now americans, and they legally owned the land, but the US government wouldn't do anything about the white settlers taking over their land.

it was like someone breaking into their house and taking it :)

Obviously you failed history class.

California was founded, settled, controlled by Californ'ios. The Mexican government took over the land owned by the Californ'ios and tried to force them to pay taxes.

I shall not go on and on, but yet you can do the reasearch.
 

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