Lets say I break into your house...
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lanky189
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i'd say open an illegal immigrant hunting season.
let our military's special ops/snipers practice along the boarder
let our military's special ops/snipers practice along the boarder
lanky189 said:
while you may be killing some bad people and might be doing this country a favor, what about the extremely desperate people who are crawling across the desert half dead already from dehydration?
maybe someone who isnt very educated for whatever reason, who only knows the poverty hes been living in and thinks theres a chance for a better life over here? shoot that guy too? not to mention the kids hes leaving behind which he planned on sending money to.
its not so clear cut. i dont understand why so many people dont get that.
to DT:
i said flat out that i do not know what the solution is, but i do KNOW that it is not to shoot every person wandering across the border.
one idea is to completely lock down the border, but make it easier to get in for some type of temporary work allowance.
make it easy for some poor ass family to come in and work legally. maybe all you would need to do is show up at some check point, show the proper credentials and they set you up with some type of tax payer ID and what not and there you go, good luck.
that way, anyone you DO see coming across the border illegaly, you then know that they are probably up to no good. arrest them and get them out of here.
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Boostaddctn
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If we make those people leave this country and lock down our borders, who will mow my lawn? clean my restaurant? wash down my cars?? redo my driveway?? NOT I SIR... NOT I... aight peace :chicken:
lagged said:
And the reason this dumbass is crawling across the desert? He's breaking the law. He's not only a criminal, he's a STUPID criminal.
lagged said:
So I want his uneducated ass here? Sucking my economy dry and sending money out of our economy and into another? If he's that under educated and can't affort to support them, he shouldn't have had kids to begin with. That's the cold hard truth.
lagged said:
It is clear cut. This persons bad choices do not provide him with a free pass to violate our laws. Period. That another cold hard truth.
lagged said:
There is a process for coming to work here legally. But you have to show your worth to our society and economy. You have to pay taxes. Close the border. If we wind up with a shortage of workers, we can adjust our requirments.
However, I'd like to point out that almost two-thirds of adult Mexican immigrants have not completed high school, compared to less than 10 percent of U.S. natives. As a result, the primary effect of Mexican immigration on the U.S. labor force is to increase the supply of unskilled workers — 22 percent of all the high school dropouts in the U.S. labor force were born in Mexico.
Since the vast majority of U.S. natives have completed high school and are employed in higher skilled occupations, most U.S. natives do not face significant job competition from Mexican immigrants. However, there are more than 10 million adult U.S. native-born workers who lack a high school education in the U.S. workforce. These less-educated U.S. born natives face significant job competition from Mexican immigrants.
By increasing the supply of unskilled labor, Mexican immigration has lowered the wages of workers who lack a high school education by roughly 5 percent. The U.S. native-born workers adversely affected by Mexican immigration are already among the poorest in the United States. More than one-fourth of the U.S. native-born working poor lack a high school education. US natives without a high school education also comprise a large share of Americans trying to move from welfare to work.
The poor keep getting poorer, and it's partially due to the influx of poor undereducated Mexicans.
Very important point: There is no evidence to indicate that the United States has a shortage of unskilled workers that needs to be satisfied by immigration from Mexico.
The real wages (adjusted for inflation) of high school dropouts who work full-time actually declined 7.2 percent in recent decades, while the real wages for other workers increased. Also, the number of jobs available for unskilled workers declined by 400,000.
Simply put, we don't need these people. Why should U.S. citizens suffer to help out the poor Mexican fellow?
And another thing to remember is that because the modern American economy increasingly rewards skilled workers, while offering very limited opportunities to the unskilled, Mexican immigrants experience limited economic mobility in the United States. The average income of Mexican immigrants is less than half that of U.S. natives. While their income rises steadily the longer they live in the United States, even long-time Mexican immigrants do not come close to closing the gap with most U.S. natives. More than half of legal Mexican immigrants who have been in the United States for more than 20 years and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) live in or near poverty.
lagged said:
That's the state of affairs right now my friend...
CTsupra
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i agree with everything SC pointed out.
with that said, break into my house and depending on your next move you either die, or you get a assault rifle aimed center mass while i'm on the phone with the cops.
with that said, break into my house and depending on your next move you either die, or you get a assault rifle aimed center mass while i'm on the phone with the cops.
When it comes to protecting my home, it doesn't matter if you are black, white, or Klingon; you're getting a lead injection. Because I would protect my home, I'm a racist? You must have a lifetime membership in rainbow/push...
Seeing as how you don't live on a border town, I'll forgive your ignorance on the matter. Sorry, but it ain't only mexicans coming up from mexico. Many a time I was out shooting when I saw fucking russian/commie block fuckers running up through the desert. People like to pretend it is though, that way they can play the racism card to try and moot the arguement. If they pervert it down to a racism issue, they don't have to think about the real issue.
America was founded on personal and property sovereignty. That's all I should have to say. The fact that you don't understand that, is all that's needed for this "arguement."
I would love an illegal tag. Considering the numbers the daily bag limit would have to be acouple hundred. Canadian, Mexican, various shit hole middle eastern, former Pinko-Block, it doesn't matter your nationality; I'd have your ass smokin over a spit and your hide tanning in the sun.
Seeing as how you don't live on a border town, I'll forgive your ignorance on the matter. Sorry, but it ain't only mexicans coming up from mexico. Many a time I was out shooting when I saw fucking russian/commie block fuckers running up through the desert. People like to pretend it is though, that way they can play the racism card to try and moot the arguement. If they pervert it down to a racism issue, they don't have to think about the real issue.
America was founded on personal and property sovereignty. That's all I should have to say. The fact that you don't understand that, is all that's needed for this "arguement."
I would love an illegal tag. Considering the numbers the daily bag limit would have to be acouple hundred. Canadian, Mexican, various shit hole middle eastern, former Pinko-Block, it doesn't matter your nationality; I'd have your ass smokin over a spit and your hide tanning in the sun.
JustAnotherVictim
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outofstep said:
firstly, i tried to make it clear that i do not agree on your comparison of someone crossing the border and breaking into your home. i would kill someone who broke into my home as fast as the next person here.
my main concern and reason for posting here was the attitude of shooting anyone and anything seen to be crossing the border illegally. i just cant stand behind that one bit.
to SC:
you make valid points, i think i didnt make my point clear. it is this, so what if the guy is retarded, he should be shot and killed because of that? just because he might be stupid enough to cross the desert with no provisions or because he was stupid enough to have a bunch of kids yet be unable to support them? this should be punishable by death?
that was my main point. i wanted to make it clear before that i do NOT know what the solution should be, only that it SHOULD NOT be killing anyone seen crossing the border. that is simply an extremely bad attitude.
it is NOT that simple, even if this person IS breaking the law. it is why we have a system for dealing with people who break the law. not all of them deserve to die, obviously. why should this be any different?
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
No the solution is not killing everyone but the solution is not letting them go where they please.
None of those give him the right to cross our border and come into our country illegally, violate our laws, steal our ss number and protest for rights legal citizens have.
Look, I remember being in elementary school [20 years ago] in San Diego, California - one of the illegal immigrant meccas of the world - and they have ESL class. This is "English as a Second Language" class for the unacqainted, and it extended to public schools at least two hours north, beyond the second INS checkpoint in San Clemente. What that shows to me is tolerance of kids who are not taught the language of the country where their parents moved in order to give them a better life. To be afforded these wonderful opportunities, [which they will undoubtedly be given through grants, college funds, "equal opportunity" or "affirmative action"] I believe there should be some effort shown on part of the parents to make these children fluent. Hell, the parents should be fluent before they are allowed to enter. That will not happen, though - it's too easy to hop the border and not worry about how that will affect your future.
I have always asked the question "What about ILLEGAL in ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT do you not understand"? As it has been described, it is criminal activity, and in these days of 911 and the uncertainty of the security of our nation, I see Mexico as the prime entry point for terrorists into our nation. It may sound ignorant, but I see middle-eastern terrorists as blending in with Mexicans in appearance much easier than with our strange, friendly neighbors to the north, and if we do not secure our southern border, I see an influx of dangerous terrorist infiltrators on the horizon.
I have always asked the question "What about ILLEGAL in ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT do you not understand"? As it has been described, it is criminal activity, and in these days of 911 and the uncertainty of the security of our nation, I see Mexico as the prime entry point for terrorists into our nation. It may sound ignorant, but I see middle-eastern terrorists as blending in with Mexicans in appearance much easier than with our strange, friendly neighbors to the north, and if we do not secure our southern border, I see an influx of dangerous terrorist infiltrators on the horizon.
lagged said:
Now I don't even know what point you're arguing.
You used that as examples to support your view and then say you didn't say it.
If you broke into my house... You would get to meet 'Betsy' my attitude adjuster and then get to imigrate yourself and family/friends the hell outta my house and into the "Big House" w/ a nice new pair of bracelets. That is if the world was perfect, in the real world. I would have beat the shit out of you for breaking into MY house and get charged w/ a hate crime because I just hate it when people break into my house. You would claim sanctuarie(SP?) and I would be doin some time. It's a bunch of shit if you ask me. I totally agree w/ drunk medic. We have ESL at my old high school, it is amazing how people who don't even know the language hold as much power as they do in this country. I say if you can't prove that you and your family are legal you shouldn't be able to; Buy any property. Open a bank acount. Get a job. Buy a car etc.
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On a tangent, becuase you know me, this is what the UAW and labor unions lobby Congress for. They are the ones trying to raise minimum wage. Why should it matter to somebody making 26 an hour with a huge benifits package? Becuase they know that will keep the low skilled people at McDonalds.
You should not shoot illegal immigrants crossing the border. You can(and should) shoot an illegal in your home. We made a point of letting those running from the Soviet block in East Germany come over. The East would shoot somebody trying to flee their country. I don't think we should do that.
The Mexican governement needs to step up to the plate. They are the biggest problem in immigration. They do nothing to stop it. Do we build more jails to hold the illegals, or continue the catch and release. I actually think we should continue the catch and release. But we do not have the numbers to get everybody. And we never will. It is a tough problem to solve.
Mexican immigrants need to wait in line, just like the Euros did in the 1800's. My wifes dad had to wait 7 years after WWII to get in. They requested Australia and the USA. We let them in first. Get in line, fill out your papers, and pay your taxes. The more people are paying taxes, the lower the rates can be.