Ky Suprameet??!!

[selfinfliction]

hey nice to see some ky people around. i'm down in somerset, just picked up an mk3 last friday and doing a full rebuild on it. i am having issues finding someone who will be able to tune the car once it's finished being built.

does anyone know of a reputable place maybe with 7m experience that could dyno tune it by spring? i'm not sure what system it will be, i may just splurge and get the aem ems with my tax refund, but i don't know much about these cars, and if possible i would really rather not spend $1500+ on a computer

 

[Boost Lee]

Hello there.

It all depends on your performance expectations.

If you're aiming for BIG horsepower...You may want to consider something along the lines of MoTEC, AEM, etc.

Otherwise, SAFCII + Wideband + AFPR will take you a long ways.

-Jeff

 

[selfinfliction]

shooting for a minimum of 500 to the wheels

i'm in the process of figuring out what i can skimp out on and what i can't to get the power. my big issue is that there seems to be no mid level internals. it's either $1000 for forged rods/pistons or crappy cast that won't hold crap.

i would rather have a faster spooling 500whp, than 800whp

<edit> this is just a weekend toy, definitely not going to be a daily driver. i may start working on the suspension next week, and already have the entire rear interior stripped:

 

[Boost Lee]

MINIMUM of 500rwhp.



Good luck. You'll be spending lots of money...

But more importantly, time and patience.

Lay down 500rwhp without pulling out all your hair & suffer from insanity,
and I'll buy you lunch. :biglaugh:

 

[selfinfliction]

MINIMUM of 500rwhp.



Good luck. You'll be spending lots of money...

But more importantly, time and patience.

Lay down 500rwhp without pulling out all your hair & suffer from insanity,
and I'll buy you lunch. :biglaugh:

yeah it's expected. but you also must consider that alot of money for work on one of these cars is fractional of what it cost on my cobalt. $460 for labor to change the clutch + if i want a clutch to hold a measely 260tq, that's an additional $550+$120 for internal slave cylinder. cost $750+ for an extremely cheaply designed and produced header / downpipe, that has only a single bend in it, etc... cost $200+ for an intake pipe with 2 bends in it. i didn't put these on, but a set of 4, forged pistons and rods are well above $1k, surpassing the cost of 6 of them for a supra. total bill on my car just to get up to 269whp from 212whp = $2300 i had high hopes of doing a 400hp build on the cobalt, but a turbo kit to get up to 330whp is over $4000.

i'm hoping to only have 1-2k more in the entire supra.

 

[dbsupra90]

im a tuner and in ky. i do piggyback computers for the most part tho. but if you did decide to do aem or autronic system i can get you help for that.

also, im not sure where you are getting no "mid level". a solid motor with a metal headgasket and arp's will do 500rw+ all day long if tuned right. a friend of mine in va has been doing over 600rw on a stock motor as well. it is all about having a solid motor and proper tuning.

 

[starscream5000]

:biglaugh: you'll be making that much with just an exhaust (less than 1K) and IC hardpipes and new/better FMIC (mid 500.00's)

This is in regards to selfinfliction's post, not Dave's, of course

 

[mk3forme]

Let me know if you need an exhaust fabbed up. I know a guy that does great work for cheap. And he has a mandrel bender! Its the only guy I will take my car to from now on. No more $500 exhaust for me!

 

[selfinfliction]

im a tuner and in ky. i do piggyback computers for the most part tho. but if you did decide to do aem or autronic system i can get you help for that.

also, im not sure where you are getting no "mid level". a solid motor with a metal headgasket and arp's will do 500rw+ all day long if tuned right. a friend of mine in va has been doing over 600rw on a stock motor as well. it is all about having a solid motor and proper tuning.

is he getting that with spray or just turbo? and for the piggyback/standalone, which do you and your friend use?

i won't ever pretend i know much about tuning cars. the mechanical part is no issue, but tuning is just beyond my level and i would rather pay someone to do it, than risk damaging something.

hell, if stock bottom end can hold 500whp+ i sure as crap am not going to buy $1100 worth of pistons/rods. i can spend that $ on more important things like beer :biglaugh:

 

[Clueless]

We need to start a sticky thread of any and all hook-ups we got the area!

 

[Boost Lee]

hell, if stock bottom end can hold 500whp+ i sure as crap am not going to buy $1100 worth of pistons/rods. i can spend that $ on more important things like beer :biglaugh:

I tried not to make the assumption that you knew these motors will do over 600rwhp on stock bottom end...But you mention you're from the Cobalt scene................

Well,

WELCOME TO SUPRAS. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

As Dave (dbsupra90) said, it sounds like you're willing to do things properly and no corner-cutting, so...Go build up a stock motor with all new stock internals, or just find a good motor that you know is healthy...
Have your machining done, a good MHG & ARP's...
You said you're willing to spend money for a good tuner,
Other than that, you should be set.

Also, I know TONS of people that originally started off saying,

"By God, I need at LEAST 1000rwhp" ...:biglaugh:
Maybe not so much 1000, but,
A lot of people enter the Supra scene saying, "I want 600rwhp or 700rwhp"...
Come out half way through their "experience" and at 450rwhp or so...
They discover that's already more, well...CAR, than they expected.

Glad to see another local, though.

The Louisville meet was a great success...
Come spring time, I think we're going to try to plan a mini-meet in Indiana.

Lets face it, all the surrounding states of IN either have local Supra websites, local Supra clubs or just tons of enthusie's...So, why not?

-Jeff

 

[Clueless]

When some bills are paid and xmas is done over with(for this year anyways), by golly, I'll get me a mk3.

 

[selfinfliction]

I tried not to make the assumption that you knew these motors will do over 600rwhp on stock bottom end...But you mention you're from the Cobalt scene................

Well,

WELCOME TO SUPRAS. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

-Jeff

thanks lol. yeah i'm not looking to make the 1000whp fast and furi0s supra. i figured i would do something a bit more realistic like 500whp + nos seat covers and 8" tach on the dash to make up for the additional 500whp.

on the serious side, that's great news to hear it's common for them to hit over 500 on oem bottom. this engine is hopefully in great shape. compression was good and it has never even had an afetrmarket filter on it. it also still had the factory plugs and wires in it. he said it always ran fine, so why change them. once the block is pulled out i'll be able to see if it needs bored or not, and then i'll order the pistons. i think i'm gonna go ahead and get the clutch/pp from act and a single aluminum ds from shaftmasters (since i rarely go past 100)

this is the first turbo motor i've had, and i've been reading up on them (they're a little more difficult than my roots blowers. blowers are just measured using volume per revolution / pulley size vs crank pulley size... so they're easy) but for the 7m, does a head p&p help out any with power or spool time? and what kind of turbos should i be looking at for my power goal? i seen a t-66 for 650hp on driftmotion, but it looks like the most popular one around here is a 60-1 in the stock housing.

thanks for the info guys

 

[selfinfliction]

When some bills are paid and xmas is done over with(for this year anyways), by golly, I'll get me a mk3.

i think there's a 90 model tt, white around here that's been sitting in storage for like $2k or something. supposed to be real clean but don't quote me on that, i'm getting the info from a friend

 

[supraman502]

Also, I know TONS of people that originally started off saying,

"By God, I need at LEAST 1000rwhp" ...:biglaugh:
Maybe not so much 1000, but,
A lot of people enter the Supra scene saying, "I want 600rwhp or 700rwhp"...
Come out half way through their "experience" and at 450rwhp or so...
They discover that's already more, well...CAR, than they expected.

-Jeff

very true, but I was just the opposite, I had a 400hp goal and I dont think I'll have any probs breaking into the 600's now lol

 

[dbsupra90]

is he getting that with spray or just turbo? and for the piggyback/standalone, which do you and your friend use?

all boost on a 67mm turbo. at the time, he was running a hks vpc and apexi afc.

he changed his setup now to a gt42 turbo and aem standalone.

it is sounding like a 67mm turbo would suit your needs very well. low 500rw on pump gas level boost and mid 600rw+ on high boost.

any parts you need just let me know. i am a dealer and will help you out with parts and tuning as much as i can.

dave

 

[selfinfliction]

all boost on a 67mm turbo. at the time, he was running a hks vpc and apexi afc.

he changed his setup now to a gt42 turbo and aem standalone.

it is sounding like a 67mm turbo would suit your needs very well. low 500rw on pump gas level boost and mid 600rw+ on high boost.

any parts you need just let me know. i am a dealer and will help you out with parts and tuning as much as i can.

dave

thanks for the info, i will definitely hit you up once the engine is put back together. for that 67mm turbo, do you know where it spooled at and what brand/specs it was?

 

[dbsupra90]

thanks for the info, i will definitely hit you up once the engine is put back together. for that 67mm turbo, do you know where it spooled at and what brand/specs it was?

full boost was around 4500 range on the non ball bearing version. it was a precision/garrett unit and specs were 67mm inducer, 84mm exducer, p trim .68 t4 turbine.

 

[selfinfliction]

full boost was around 4500 range on the non ball bearing version. it was a precision/garrett unit and specs were 67mm inducer, 84mm exducer, p trim .68 t4 turbine.

so i may be better off just going with something smaller like that 60-1 ptrim t4 driftmotion turbo for a faster spool? the guy at dm said it would probably be spooled up by 3500. maybe with some headwork it could be done a wee bit faster

 

[starscream5000]

Ball bearing counterparts will spool faster as well.

For your power goals, a Garret GT35R with something like .82 (maybe .81, can't remember) hot side or larger should get you around where you want to be.