I was just kidding. 
I don't need/want to be a mod. I'll just rock the boat every once in a while.
I don't need/want to be a mod. I'll just rock the boat every once in a while.I Ask Everyone here to read this Post!
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I think all this is very constructive. I'd also like to add something I forgot before. As the SM community is growing, it would probably be a good idea to have a few more mods than right now. Currently I'm not sure how many there are, but I get the impression there are no more than 5. Really, in my experience, unless they have a load of time, a mod can only oversee 1 or 2 sections effectively, unless those sections have very little traffic... and for the bigger sections, maybe have 2 share the load. That may have been different in the past, but seeing the increased traffic, increased mods probably would help.
This is good guys. I'm a pretty new member, but even so, it saddened me to see a bunch of the vets leaving. Let's keep this up so we don't have something like that happen again.
Also, I don't think getting rid of all of the current mods is a good idea, just to throw my .02 out there. Chaos could ensue very quickly. They are established in the community and have done a good job, I think, anyway. But adding people to help is probably a very good idea. Also, having a Mod Forum that only mods can post on/view to hash out policy internally is a good idea.
This is good guys. I'm a pretty new member, but even so, it saddened me to see a bunch of the vets leaving. Let's keep this up so we don't have something like that happen again.
Also, I don't think getting rid of all of the current mods is a good idea, just to throw my .02 out there. Chaos could ensue very quickly. They are established in the community and have done a good job, I think, anyway. But adding people to help is probably a very good idea. Also, having a Mod Forum that only mods can post on/view to hash out policy internally is a good idea.
its human nature to point fingers and say why is he better then me? why did I get the boot and the guy next to me didn't.
so make it simple. Boot them all, then if the same one want to get re-elected, let them speak up and let us decide if they are worthy.
so make it simple. Boot them all, then if the same one want to get re-elected, let them speak up and let us decide if they are worthy.
I'd like to thank MDC for stepping back into the ring and continuing to serve our community.
Back to the age issue...I started working on cars when my dad picked up a 67 Dodge Coronet 440 for me when I was 13. We never completed it, but it did get me interested - no, rather obsessed with anything with a motor and 4 wheels. After that, my dad got a 1970 Mustang Mach 1 to restomod. We finished that one. I messed around with a 91 firebird for a while...I then got interested in forced induction. I did some research at 16 years old, and my obsession turned to mk2's...with the intent of a 7mgte swap. I couldn't find a worthy shell up here in WI, the ones I looked at had been ravaged by improper maintenance and salt induced rust. A red 90 na supra caught my interest, and I bought it. Then came the black 87 turbo. I purchased an 88 parts car that barely ran, but had all the basic mods. The mods were all installed under 200 miles before I bought it. I was originally going to NA-T the 90 supra using that parts car, but instead I got the 88 running again. Now at 18, I have a red 90 shell that is completely stripped, but has a solid body. I plan on doing a complete ground up restomod with it this winter. :love:
I was only able to get this far with mk3's through the support of local supra owners, the smart young members, and the wise old farts on SM :icon_razz heheh. I might have 2 or 3 posts on mk3 tech, because nearly all I needed to know had been discussed and was readily available with a simple search.
I only drove my mk3 to school if I was going to Great Lakes Dragaway afterwards :naughty: I have a beater civic for everything else...why rack up mileage on a weekend toy?
Back to the age issue...I started working on cars when my dad picked up a 67 Dodge Coronet 440 for me when I was 13. We never completed it, but it did get me interested - no, rather obsessed with anything with a motor and 4 wheels. After that, my dad got a 1970 Mustang Mach 1 to restomod. We finished that one. I messed around with a 91 firebird for a while...I then got interested in forced induction. I did some research at 16 years old, and my obsession turned to mk2's...with the intent of a 7mgte swap. I couldn't find a worthy shell up here in WI, the ones I looked at had been ravaged by improper maintenance and salt induced rust. A red 90 na supra caught my interest, and I bought it. Then came the black 87 turbo. I purchased an 88 parts car that barely ran, but had all the basic mods. The mods were all installed under 200 miles before I bought it. I was originally going to NA-T the 90 supra using that parts car, but instead I got the 88 running again. Now at 18, I have a red 90 shell that is completely stripped, but has a solid body. I plan on doing a complete ground up restomod with it this winter. :love:
I was only able to get this far with mk3's through the support of local supra owners, the smart young members, and the wise old farts on SM :icon_razz heheh. I might have 2 or 3 posts on mk3 tech, because nearly all I needed to know had been discussed and was readily available with a simple search.
I only drove my mk3 to school if I was going to Great Lakes Dragaway afterwards :naughty: I have a beater civic for everything else...why rack up mileage on a weekend toy?
PIONEER, you and me—and many other intelligent people—have the same exact view on many issues that have come up lately.
I am definitely down with getting rid of a lot of mods.
We wondered how this thread would go. Not bad at all! (heheh)
I have said it before, and will say it again: we need professional adults in the mod forum.
You can’t change people, new ones are needed. There are lots of forums now and the biggest difference amongst them is by whom they are run by. It is the administrator and moderators that will make a site better or worse than the competing forums. (That is what it will come down to.)
The more we delay the inevitable, the uglier things are going to get. If anyone really cares about this site, they will know that certain mods are not quite up to par!
Adding more mods is not an option! That is diluting the crap. We clean things up by removal and replacement, not by dilution.
I know GrimJack favors the idea of having many mods run the site. Doing this only creates and increases power struggle problems—an ongoing theme that goes on here! The way things are now, I would rather be on SF, because at least there, we are equal. On here: it seems as if we have too many kids running around so happy that they have the keys to the site, while our most intelligent, professional, and adult members are supposed to watch the show they perform.
Mods that are not active for weeks and months at a time, need to be asked to come back later if a spot opens up. If someone is not around, then they can’t mod! (Easy as that.)
Some will say that the way things are now is because of a different generation. To some extent, that is true, but we can’t blame them for all of this. We need to do our part on getting the best folks to mod. Get good leaders in mod forum, lose the ones that disgraced this site, and this site should be back on the way to recovery.
Aye Mate, that would be a very drastic move you proposed (getting rid of OT). If we get people who mod for the right reasons, we would have a decent OT section. It all comes back to proper management.
We need to look for better managers and stop blaming OT, the new generation, or whatever else people are coming up with.
CK, that is not entirely true. Many mods became mods not by election, but by direct appointment. If we were to do a poll now, many would be voted off! I don’t believe in voting for mods to be removed unless we have extremely bad events—the ones we had qualify as extremely bad events.
KeithH, when I was a mod (mod of general at one time), I read one of your posts and then thought you should have access to mod forum. You are definitely a Team SM guy! I CAN’T see how you would do any worse than what is going on now. If I could, I would give you the highest recommendations at a mod in the general section. The only thing I wonder about though is: do you have the time it takes?
I would love it if you became one, or had the chance to contribute on how this site is to change. I know you are capable of it too.
While I was thinking that you should have access to mod forum. KeithH, it also struck me that ShawnDude should still have access to that section. I say give ShawnDude access, and if he feels like posting (although he is busy now), he could. It would only be a benefit to the site. I am not really all that close to ShawnDude, but I know that he ran a hell of a forum! He and I seem to have some of the same beliefs: neat and tidy threads, welcoming contributors as opposed to competing with them, and thinking that the FAQ threads should not be a place for asking questions—so many don’t like watching others contribute…it is as if we are here to play Jeopardy (like the TV show).
Here are some people that would be awesome mods that I know would accept the position:
KeithH: (probably in General). He just stated that he would like a shot at modding.
PIONEER: (probably General also) Old time SM loyal member. Already chatted with him and he would be willing to help out with modding.
MDCmotorsports: He is always on and is addicted to this site. Always a help, very level headed, has the highest sense of community, never a problem, always someone worthy of leadership. The role of super moderator would not be beyond his abilities! And yes, I know he would like to be a mod or super mod, and would do it for the right reasons.
Drunk_Medic: Has experience in modding. Already did a mini poll and people think he would be awesome as an OT mod. I have not asked him yet though.
Adjuster: I have not talked to Adjuster yet. He may be another “ShawnDude” if we let him. He trains and manages for a living. I would like to see him in the Tech Section. Not too busy a section and I think that would suit him just perfect. Others are already with me on this.
There are others I think would be great as mod, but I don’t know quite as well. So that brings some uncertainty.
If this is truly a forum run for the community by the community, then we should be allowed to improve our mods!
Grim, I am pretty impressed with what I am reading—let them decide who should leave.
In summary: We need mods that are active on this site. We need better leaders and decision makers. Our current mods have done unacceptable things! We must have some of the team replaced! We have great guys that would be awesome mods! Let them do it!
All the professional adult types are with me on this—that I know of.
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I typed most of that before I read post 15 and on. (Did it on my lunch break.)
In addition to that, I am extremely impressed with your post, Reign_Maker—especially since I know you and some of those mods are friends. Favoritism is a form of corruption. It REALLY impressed me to see that you can look past things and make an objective post in regards to what is best for the forum and what is just wrong.
Grim, changes need to be made. Things are just getting uglier and uglier. You already know what I am up to.
....Wow, how these forums increased my typing speed and writing skills! (heheh).
I am definitely down with getting rid of a lot of mods.
We wondered how this thread would go. Not bad at all! (heheh)
I have said it before, and will say it again: we need professional adults in the mod forum.
You can’t change people, new ones are needed. There are lots of forums now and the biggest difference amongst them is by whom they are run by. It is the administrator and moderators that will make a site better or worse than the competing forums. (That is what it will come down to.)
The more we delay the inevitable, the uglier things are going to get. If anyone really cares about this site, they will know that certain mods are not quite up to par!
Adding more mods is not an option! That is diluting the crap. We clean things up by removal and replacement, not by dilution.
I know GrimJack favors the idea of having many mods run the site. Doing this only creates and increases power struggle problems—an ongoing theme that goes on here! The way things are now, I would rather be on SF, because at least there, we are equal. On here: it seems as if we have too many kids running around so happy that they have the keys to the site, while our most intelligent, professional, and adult members are supposed to watch the show they perform.
Mods that are not active for weeks and months at a time, need to be asked to come back later if a spot opens up. If someone is not around, then they can’t mod! (Easy as that.)
Some will say that the way things are now is because of a different generation. To some extent, that is true, but we can’t blame them for all of this. We need to do our part on getting the best folks to mod. Get good leaders in mod forum, lose the ones that disgraced this site, and this site should be back on the way to recovery.
Aye Mate, that would be a very drastic move you proposed (getting rid of OT). If we get people who mod for the right reasons, we would have a decent OT section. It all comes back to proper management.
We need to look for better managers and stop blaming OT, the new generation, or whatever else people are coming up with.
CK, that is not entirely true. Many mods became mods not by election, but by direct appointment. If we were to do a poll now, many would be voted off! I don’t believe in voting for mods to be removed unless we have extremely bad events—the ones we had qualify as extremely bad events.
KeithH, when I was a mod (mod of general at one time), I read one of your posts and then thought you should have access to mod forum. You are definitely a Team SM guy! I CAN’T see how you would do any worse than what is going on now. If I could, I would give you the highest recommendations at a mod in the general section. The only thing I wonder about though is: do you have the time it takes?
No, you weren’tKeithH said:I was just kidding.
I would love it if you became one, or had the chance to contribute on how this site is to change. I know you are capable of it too.While I was thinking that you should have access to mod forum. KeithH, it also struck me that ShawnDude should still have access to that section. I say give ShawnDude access, and if he feels like posting (although he is busy now), he could. It would only be a benefit to the site. I am not really all that close to ShawnDude, but I know that he ran a hell of a forum! He and I seem to have some of the same beliefs: neat and tidy threads, welcoming contributors as opposed to competing with them, and thinking that the FAQ threads should not be a place for asking questions—so many don’t like watching others contribute…it is as if we are here to play Jeopardy (like the TV show).
Here are some people that would be awesome mods that I know would accept the position:
KeithH: (probably in General). He just stated that he would like a shot at modding.
PIONEER: (probably General also) Old time SM loyal member. Already chatted with him and he would be willing to help out with modding.
MDCmotorsports: He is always on and is addicted to this site. Always a help, very level headed, has the highest sense of community, never a problem, always someone worthy of leadership. The role of super moderator would not be beyond his abilities! And yes, I know he would like to be a mod or super mod, and would do it for the right reasons.
Drunk_Medic: Has experience in modding. Already did a mini poll and people think he would be awesome as an OT mod. I have not asked him yet though.
Adjuster: I have not talked to Adjuster yet. He may be another “ShawnDude” if we let him. He trains and manages for a living. I would like to see him in the Tech Section. Not too busy a section and I think that would suit him just perfect. Others are already with me on this.
There are others I think would be great as mod, but I don’t know quite as well. So that brings some uncertainty.
If this is truly a forum run for the community by the community, then we should be allowed to improve our mods!
Grim, I am pretty impressed with what I am reading—let them decide who should leave.
In summary: We need mods that are active on this site. We need better leaders and decision makers. Our current mods have done unacceptable things! We must have some of the team replaced! We have great guys that would be awesome mods! Let them do it!
All the professional adult types are with me on this—that I know of.
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I typed most of that before I read post 15 and on. (Did it on my lunch break.)
In addition to that, I am extremely impressed with your post, Reign_Maker—especially since I know you and some of those mods are friends. Favoritism is a form of corruption. It REALLY impressed me to see that you can look past things and make an objective post in regards to what is best for the forum and what is just wrong.
Grim, changes need to be made. Things are just getting uglier and uglier. You already know what I am up to.
....Wow, how these forums increased my typing speed and writing skills! (heheh).
I think we might benefit from some sort of a group that oversees this forum. A group that can brainstorm new ideas - like boiling down topics to a well thought out tech tip - as well as other programs. I have a lot of ideas - see the 2006 Supra Calendar project that I just announced yesterday. We even put in place an Affiliate Program where websites can earn money for helping us promote the calendar.
I would like to do a classy MkIII T-shirt - I still have nice drawings of the Supra from the Vegas shirts.
I would rather be in a group that oversees this project than be a mod.
My favorite example of a Supra group is still the Toronto Supra Club. They are SOOOOOOO together.
I would like to do a classy MkIII T-shirt - I still have nice drawings of the Supra from the Vegas shirts.
I would rather be in a group that oversees this project than be a mod.
My favorite example of a Supra group is still the Toronto Supra Club. They are SOOOOOOO together.
ive read some of this thread and got up to where drj reffered to sm as a downward spiral.
i really dont think this place is THAT bad, go pick ANY other forum and you will find a place that runs rampant with idiots, or is extremely un newbie friendly.
this place i believe is right on in the middle, which is a good thing. ive moderated some other forums (unix.com for instance, however i havent been there in a few years now) and moderation is really very simple.
anything that is offtopic, or dosnt belong in a particular forum is deleted. anything violating posted rules is deleted, and off topic sections, well those i would go so far as to say that they shouldnt even be moderated at all, just threads be deleted after a certain amount of time of inactivity.
what to do about offensive material? ask everyone what they think about it, post a poll, eg: "should this be deleted?" or move it to the mods section so the mods can collectively decide what to do with it.
or, as in the case of a moderator unsure of a course of action, link to the thread in the mods section for the rest of the mods to look at and decide what to do with it.
i really dont think this place is THAT bad, go pick ANY other forum and you will find a place that runs rampant with idiots, or is extremely un newbie friendly.
this place i believe is right on in the middle, which is a good thing. ive moderated some other forums (unix.com for instance, however i havent been there in a few years now) and moderation is really very simple.
anything that is offtopic, or dosnt belong in a particular forum is deleted. anything violating posted rules is deleted, and off topic sections, well those i would go so far as to say that they shouldnt even be moderated at all, just threads be deleted after a certain amount of time of inactivity.
what to do about offensive material? ask everyone what they think about it, post a poll, eg: "should this be deleted?" or move it to the mods section so the mods can collectively decide what to do with it.
or, as in the case of a moderator unsure of a course of action, link to the thread in the mods section for the rest of the mods to look at and decide what to do with it.
Now THIS is what I'm talking about - a sensible discussion on how to make things better. Keep the ideas coming, folks.
The only downside to this thread is the fact that it's going to take me an hour to assign +1s to deserving people!
The only downside to this thread is the fact that it's going to take me an hour to assign +1s to deserving people!
Keith, I wouldn't mind being on the brain storming team,
I've got an idea i shared with tony, dunno if he remebers, but, to allow the public to read your rep. this would help a lot, and this would get rid of the "hey heres a rep point problem" and would actually make the rep system worth using,
also with threads, mods that they feel is controversial or they feel that it needs to be locked, can have the power to let the public decide, put a small yes or no poll on the title of the thread, like where the stars(popularity) are, and have it open for say 3 hours or so.
just a few things i've been thinking of.
I've got an idea i shared with tony, dunno if he remebers, but, to allow the public to read your rep. this would help a lot, and this would get rid of the "hey heres a rep point problem" and would actually make the rep system worth using,
also with threads, mods that they feel is controversial or they feel that it needs to be locked, can have the power to let the public decide, put a small yes or no poll on the title of the thread, like where the stars(popularity) are, and have it open for say 3 hours or so.
just a few things i've been thinking of.
Amazing
all over one off topic post. Guess people do have better problems on here than they do in real life... anyway
Grim since i have yet to chime in on any off this here are my suggestions and you can verify with Mike and his legal team on this to make sure this is kosher
Starting IMMEDIATELY
in the off-topic forum. When clicking the off-topic forum SM will take you to a DISCLAIMER page about the nature of off-topic. State in detail what is and isn't allowed. The forums is all-inclusive EXCEPT for these topics...
topic 1
topic 2
topic 3
usually the typical death pictures showing everything
Mutilations and animal cruelty etc
and zero RELIGION talk (swat all religions with one fell swoop). Again clear it with Mike.
Then have a I agree button or I disagree. The I agree button takes you into the Off Topic forum and the I disagree button puts you back at the SM home page. With this CLEAR COMMUNICATION of what is expected in Off-topic, yes even in SM apparently this is needed, There can be zero room for folks to get bent out of shape as that is what the disclaimer is already stating upfront. Again, I would have Mikes legal team (if he thinks this is a good idea that is) work on those details.
now with the disclaimer portion out of the way. That clears most issues up.
On to the modding portion and the rest of you
Moderators are here to keep topics on the conversation ON TOPIC and from getting out of hand. Unfortunatly most "mods" here do not have capabilities to mod all parts of the forums. Only isolated parts. For instance I have mod under my handle but what this doesn't tell you is that it is for only one part. More specifically the parts review section and that is it. Any thing else is out of my "modding" power.
The off topic section here on SM has been very tame for the most part until the whole jesus thread. I read it. It didn't bother me but i sure as hell knew how it was going to end. The reason is quite simpl,. EXPECTATIONS. Lay those expectations flat out prior and none of this would have happened so we revert back to the disclaimer once again.
As for the mods. If the mods have no "modding" power in that section. Than they are just a normal user just like every other person on this board. Except they have a nice title of moderator. Should mods be held to a higher standard? Lets answer yes to that question for sake of argument. Ok what can a mod do or not do to preserve the fact of his mod status.
do: Impartialism. this means regardless of the topic of the day this is a must to appropiatetly mod correctly. Unfortunatly what this also means is that even if a mod does not agree with a topic at hand guess what. Part of teh "job" whether you like it or not. Now grant it we can not induce impartialism that is learned. Some people can do it great (apparently me since i missed this entire fiasco) and some can't. But that is the nature of who we, as individuals are.
don't: Attagonzie people unless after three times they still don't get it. Then proceed with mild attagonization until full cooked.
Don't: TAKE SIDES!!! See do: impartial
Don't: throw fuel into the flames. Thread is getting out of hand. Close topic and better yet move it so no one else can start a new one or debate the contents of that old thread. I myself am a firm believer in moving old threads from view especially if they are "worthless"
and most important of all!!!
Don't: Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
As for Admins, forget elections. You want elections go vote for the next president or the enxt senator. Wow so harsh!! well i hate to say this, even if the board is open to the public, this in reality IS a private board. The money is paid by one person/company to keep this board here for all of you to post meaning that said person/company has every right to appoint who they think is appropiate to admin the boards. That why there are only 3 admins. I think most of you misundeerstand what an admin is. They CAN moderate but thier primary responsibility is the PHYSICAL well being of the vbulletin CODE itself. Just because they can moderate as a part of thier functions does not mean that they will OR SHOULD (key word being should). That is what the mods are there to do. Elect mods? I am all for that but admins, nope. Those are whoever the owner of this server chooses to beand i can tell you as owner of 550 servers in my company. Admin power is scrutinized to 8 people and that is it. One wrong move and the server dies. Wrong wrong move in vbulletin and you take the board down.
all over one off topic post. Guess people do have better problems on here than they do in real life... anyway
Grim since i have yet to chime in on any off this here are my suggestions and you can verify with Mike and his legal team on this to make sure this is kosher
Starting IMMEDIATELY
in the off-topic forum. When clicking the off-topic forum SM will take you to a DISCLAIMER page about the nature of off-topic. State in detail what is and isn't allowed. The forums is all-inclusive EXCEPT for these topics...
topic 1
topic 2
topic 3
usually the typical death pictures showing everything
Mutilations and animal cruelty etc
and zero RELIGION talk (swat all religions with one fell swoop). Again clear it with Mike.
Then have a I agree button or I disagree. The I agree button takes you into the Off Topic forum and the I disagree button puts you back at the SM home page. With this CLEAR COMMUNICATION of what is expected in Off-topic, yes even in SM apparently this is needed, There can be zero room for folks to get bent out of shape as that is what the disclaimer is already stating upfront. Again, I would have Mikes legal team (if he thinks this is a good idea that is) work on those details.
now with the disclaimer portion out of the way. That clears most issues up.
On to the modding portion and the rest of you
Moderators are here to keep topics on the conversation ON TOPIC and from getting out of hand. Unfortunatly most "mods" here do not have capabilities to mod all parts of the forums. Only isolated parts. For instance I have mod under my handle but what this doesn't tell you is that it is for only one part. More specifically the parts review section and that is it. Any thing else is out of my "modding" power.
The off topic section here on SM has been very tame for the most part until the whole jesus thread. I read it. It didn't bother me but i sure as hell knew how it was going to end. The reason is quite simpl,. EXPECTATIONS. Lay those expectations flat out prior and none of this would have happened so we revert back to the disclaimer once again.
As for the mods. If the mods have no "modding" power in that section. Than they are just a normal user just like every other person on this board. Except they have a nice title of moderator. Should mods be held to a higher standard? Lets answer yes to that question for sake of argument. Ok what can a mod do or not do to preserve the fact of his mod status.
do: Impartialism. this means regardless of the topic of the day this is a must to appropiatetly mod correctly. Unfortunatly what this also means is that even if a mod does not agree with a topic at hand guess what. Part of teh "job" whether you like it or not. Now grant it we can not induce impartialism that is learned. Some people can do it great (apparently me since i missed this entire fiasco) and some can't. But that is the nature of who we, as individuals are.
don't: Attagonzie people unless after three times they still don't get it. Then proceed with mild attagonization until full cooked.
Don't: TAKE SIDES!!! See do: impartial
Don't: throw fuel into the flames. Thread is getting out of hand. Close topic and better yet move it so no one else can start a new one or debate the contents of that old thread. I myself am a firm believer in moving old threads from view especially if they are "worthless"
and most important of all!!!
Don't: Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
As for Admins, forget elections. You want elections go vote for the next president or the enxt senator. Wow so harsh!! well i hate to say this, even if the board is open to the public, this in reality IS a private board. The money is paid by one person/company to keep this board here for all of you to post meaning that said person/company has every right to appoint who they think is appropiate to admin the boards. That why there are only 3 admins. I think most of you misundeerstand what an admin is. They CAN moderate but thier primary responsibility is the PHYSICAL well being of the vbulletin CODE itself. Just because they can moderate as a part of thier functions does not mean that they will OR SHOULD (key word being should). That is what the mods are there to do. Elect mods? I am all for that but admins, nope. Those are whoever the owner of this server chooses to beand i can tell you as owner of 550 servers in my company. Admin power is scrutinized to 8 people and that is it. One wrong move and the server dies. Wrong wrong move in vbulletin and you take the board down.
TONY! said:
you gotta be kidding me... honestly... SF... their mods are the most incompetent i have ever seen in my life.
they just have that title but they dont do shit... there is no being equal, its all about 'oh, you are my friend... oh, you are not, get out'... or they aren't there at all... that is SF (at least for me, imo)
if v8killer is online, then they might work... or he is doing all the work when it comes to banning and warning but other than that...
also, most of you guys complain about OT but then i dont see many of you posting there anyways... so why bother? you do not have to go there... no one is forcing you to...
i am not sure how it is in the other sections... but yeah, OT has its troubles sometimes but that is why its OT... better there than in the 'normal' sections.
and just a little thought on the moderator thing:
i can see everybody's point who says 'we need old members to be a mod'... but then there is the thing that old members are rather used to people and more willing to take someone's side.... it is not really something that happens willingly... it is just that people tend to take the side of a friend and most of the time someone isn't even aware of it, it happens, thats all.
so maybe it might be an idea to get an oldie and a newbie (not the newest guy or girl but someone who is 'rather' new) as mod for a section...
just a thought, no offense to anyone.
and last but not least... i would so get rid of the rep system... it is just causing trouble imo... its a dumb thing, i dont really see the point in it. *shrug*
PS: Just to throw in a little of my opinion - Age does not equate to Maturity. In many cases, sure, but there are far too many exceptions, as witnessed by many posts in this thread.
I would not be happy in a community where you have to be 35+ to be a Mod, despite the fact that I am 37.
I would not be happy in a community where you have to be 35+ to be a Mod, despite the fact that I am 37.
and i am 31 and perhaps one of the few that understands the Don't: Four shalt thou not count post
43 here and can be quite childish at times
I try to help out as much as I can as there is a whole generation of "Bobby Bolt on's" that can spec a 1000hp monster but don't have any concept of the basics. (I see this first hand with my nephew and his mates)
Figgie it's NOT One J <jk>
I try to help out as much as I can as there is a whole generation of "Bobby Bolt on's" that can spec a 1000hp monster but don't have any concept of the basics. (I see this first hand with my nephew and his mates)
Figgie it's NOT One J
<jk>TopSecret,
I spent a lot of time on SF. (Much more then you may think.)
I have traded PM's and many IM's with their mods. I still hit up BoostAddctn once in a while.
I had a big problem with someone that misunderstood something, and then he went psycho over there.
The mods did not help, or could not help, or did not know what was going on.
It is lawless on SF. You can get away with a lot. That is how it is there.
People flame the hell out of others and the law does nothing.
I would MUCH rather be in a system where it is up to me to lay down the laws on how I will be treated than have some corrupt cop break the laws and get away with it.
You say you never see me in OT. Yep, take a wild guess why. I have been here before you. I used to go to OT, then stopped. Stopped for a reason.
And I am not disrespecting people or their abilities for being young. Hell, a friend acquaintance of mine, Matt (aka SupraJunky101) knows more than most adults and he is still in high school. There are very smart young people out there.
Age is not the issue, it is the maturity level of some. Some 19 year olds are more mature and are capable of better moves than some 40 year olds.
As far as "let OT be lawless & let anything go," NO! We can't do that. It was lawless. You saw what happened. OT is there, as I already said, to help the community come together.
It is not a free speech area in the sense that anyone can do any damn thing they please. It is not a country. Always keep in mind the main purpose of the site: a place where enthusiast of a certain make and model car come together. Making OT lawless will only make it a shit hole, and give the members (the best ones) a bad taste for the site.
Why must so many want others to not have standards?
Why can’t those people get some standards!
(That is how I see it—not from just this case, but from many cases [here and in life]).
People should have standards. It is called etiquette. Some of that is important to know when dealing with important people. Without etiquette, we become trash.
Standards are important. People who are foreign to them should be moderated.
And in all this, I am certainly not implying that you are someone that has no standards, just stating their importance, is all.
EDIT: just seen these guys support what I said as I was writing this: Age is not maturity.
I spent a lot of time on SF. (Much more then you may think.)
I have traded PM's and many IM's with their mods. I still hit up BoostAddctn once in a while.
I had a big problem with someone that misunderstood something, and then he went psycho over there.
The mods did not help, or could not help, or did not know what was going on.
It is lawless on SF. You can get away with a lot. That is how it is there.
People flame the hell out of others and the law does nothing.
I would MUCH rather be in a system where it is up to me to lay down the laws on how I will be treated than have some corrupt cop break the laws and get away with it.
You say you never see me in OT. Yep, take a wild guess why. I have been here before you. I used to go to OT, then stopped. Stopped for a reason.
And I am not disrespecting people or their abilities for being young. Hell, a friend acquaintance of mine, Matt (aka SupraJunky101) knows more than most adults and he is still in high school. There are very smart young people out there.
Age is not the issue, it is the maturity level of some. Some 19 year olds are more mature and are capable of better moves than some 40 year olds.
As far as "let OT be lawless & let anything go," NO! We can't do that. It was lawless. You saw what happened. OT is there, as I already said, to help the community come together.
It is not a free speech area in the sense that anyone can do any damn thing they please. It is not a country. Always keep in mind the main purpose of the site: a place where enthusiast of a certain make and model car come together. Making OT lawless will only make it a shit hole, and give the members (the best ones) a bad taste for the site.
Why must so many want others to not have standards?
Why can’t those people get some standards!
(That is how I see it—not from just this case, but from many cases [here and in life]).
People should have standards. It is called etiquette. Some of that is important to know when dealing with important people. Without etiquette, we become trash.
Standards are important. People who are foreign to them should be moderated.
And in all this, I am certainly not implying that you are someone that has no standards, just stating their importance, is all.
EDIT: just seen these guys support what I said as I was writing this: Age is not maturity.
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