how do u know if the rings are seated

[turbojuiced]

No, because the import crowd relies on hearsay...a lot like the BS you tried to promote "as fact" here.
And you're still trying to say the SAE is not "factual evidence"...man, it's amazing.




No, why would I want to pay for something and provide it to someone who is not going to listen anyway?
If you really cared (or wanted to learn) you would pay for it.

And no, I'm not a conservative...you just exhibit the typical behavior.

You know oddly enough I like you mang. :biglaugh:

And you cant be mad at me for using your own link. Because its not BS its your own link lol and no nothing was ever cherry picked. Tell me what have I exclaimed that was factually wrong?

Or better yet, show me where an engine blew or had a blown rod bearing from someone doing oil changes at even 3000miles? I can gaurantee you I can find some when they didnt do their scheduled oil maintenance. :naughty:

I exhibit what behavior? LOL

 

[turbojuiced]

Little advice, you don't have to have a membership to get the info, A little time searching the net will yeild this info, it's a lot easier to find it than you think .

Well regardless thank you starscream:icon_razz . I really do appreciate the info. take care buddy

I guess me and jdub are going to duke it out but this discussion is ::dead horse:: hahahhaa

 

[jdub]

You know oddly enough I like you mang. :biglaugh:

And you cant be mad at me for using your own link. Because its not BS its your own link lol and no nothing was ever cherry picked. Tell me what have I exclaimed that was factually wrong?

Or better yet, show me where an engine blew or had a blown rod bearing from someone doing oil changes at even 3000miles? I can gaurantee you I can find some when they didnt do their scheduled oil maintenance. :naughty:

I exhibit what behavior? LOL

Well, I've had several debates like this on SM...different subjects, pretty much the same result

Not mad at all about using Dr Haas' info (that's why it's in my sig)...just read it in context when you don't feel you have something to prove. And don't remove the parts that don't fit your paradigm.

I don't have to show you...the SAE backs me up

I'll leave the last comment alone!

 

[turbojuiced]

Well, I've had several debates like this on SM...different subjects, pretty much the same result

Not mad at all about using Dr Haas' info (that's why it's in my sig)...just read it in context when you don't feel you have something to prove. And don't remove the parts that don't fit your paradigm.

I don't have to show you...the SAE backs me up

I'll leave the last comment alone!

Understood but I did do that. I was not being biased at all. Never at once did it say anything remotely close to what you exclaimed.

Well the SAE has been wrong before so I hope you dont put all your eggs in their basket :icon_razz.

However, like I said thanks for talking with me about this and I really did enjoy the conversing. Your ok in my book :biglaugh:

 

[Poodles]

I'll pop in here and have a bit more fun...

Rings do not seal from their tension on the cylinder walls, but from forces in the combustion chamber actually getting behind the ring and forcing it outwards. More boost = more pressure sealing them.

If you "think" you have more blowby, do oil analysis and find out exactly what is going on. Some people running on modern oils (Red Line for example) have done oil analysis and found that with regular filter changes (that's required) and replacing the oil that is lost when you change the filter, the oil could go without changing indefinately.

Hearing about turbo failures from oil being in too long sounds like crap that we shoot down here all the time. Upgraded turbos don't last as long as a stock one for starters, and you don't know the state of the oil feed and drain. Only after oil analysis and disassembly of the turbo by someone that really knows what they're looking at could you come to that conclusion...

 

[gaboonviper85]

this whole thread just took my guilty feelings away for not changeing my old preludes oil for like 6000 miles LOL

 

[Poodles]

depends on the oil...

and if it's a beater that burns oil, who cares, it's a self cleaning system!

 

[gaboonviper85]

castrol gtx 10-30 it didn't burn oil at all....had 140,000 miles and ran like a sonofabitch! Even drove it to Atlanta and back on that same oil LOL....car met its end in the ass of a short bus: (

 

[gtsfirefighter]

Well, once mine is broke in I'll run synthetic every 5k miles or so. Who the hell wants to go through the hassle of changing the oil filter on a 7MGTE sooner than that?

 

[suprawalt]

damn i didnt know i could create so much controversary.

 

[Aspec]

damn i didnt know i could create so much controversary.

Your thread made baby Jesus cry.





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[jdub]

 

[Nick M]

Hm. I would figure some oil isn't going to hurt anything, especially if you have to turn the engine over while it's on a stand. If the cylinders were dry with those new rings, would it not score the cyl walls??

Some oil isn't going to hurt anything. As long as it is only a little. The scrapper rings will pull excess, and combustion will burn it. Some people have put bearing prelube on cylinder walls, and that isn't good. It slows the seating. I don't know that the OP did that, just saying don't do it.

I have seen mid six second nitro methane cars up close. Well, one in particular. They put ATF on the wall, which has fiction additives in it, to speed up the seating, as they need to make passes with it. We don't have a 2500 horsepower engine.

 

[Aspec]

Outstanding. :biglaugh:




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[jetjock]

Wow. This guy is truly clueless. You all can argue with him...I won't. Since the SAE is wrong there's always this well done study:

http://tinyurl.com/363cu

"While the wear metals all accumulated steadily over the course of the test, the highest concentrations of accumulation per mile occurred in the first 3,000 miles. From the 3,000-mile mark all the way to 18,000 miles, only lead showed an increase in per-mile wear beyond 3,000 miles. Yet even with an increased wear rate, lead wore the least in terms of absolute wear. For iron and copper, the longer the oil remained in service, the lower the wear rate got."

"In case it isn't obvious yet, this means that the most wear occurs in the first 3,000 miles.....Indeed, one is forced to wonder whether an engine with a high-quality PAO synthetic combined with a bypass filtration system and regular filter changes would ever need its oil changed at all."

 

[Nick M]

Huh? I don't recall that. I could have forgotten though. From where I sit you've always been one of the more informed members here.

I do. He was using "heavy oil". But being as he isn't a dufus, he learned.

Of course engine wear is higher after a change. For the same reason it is higher at start up. All the oil just drained out.

 

[isnms]

Wow. This guy is truly clueless. You all can argue with him...I won't. Since the SAE is wrong there's always this well done study:

http://tinyurl.com/363cu

"While the wear metals all accumulated steadily over the course of the test, the highest concentrations of accumulation per mile occurred in the first 3,000 miles. From the 3,000-mile mark all the way to 18,000 miles, only lead showed an increase in per-mile wear beyond 3,000 miles. Yet even with an increased wear rate, lead wore the least in terms of absolute wear. For iron and copper, the longer the oil remained in service, the lower the wear rate got."

"In case it isn't obvious yet, this means that the most wear occurs in the first 3,000 miles.....Indeed, one is forced to wonder whether an engine with a high-quality PAO synthetic combined with a bypass filtration system and regular filter changes would ever need its oil changed at all."

I learn something new every day. Thanks to information jdub posted in another thread and his link to here.
Sorry I didn't read this thread just jj's link. So if i'm ot, forgive me :icon_razz

 

[Supracentral]

My cars have been running very well way before I met these guys and will continue to. Not to say they arnt knowledgeable. Im sure I will learn about the 7mgte from these guys but as far as oil maintenance I highly doubt it .

That's called willful ignorance. You're entitled to engage in it if you wish, however you're going to be countered continually by people who have facts. Learn to accept this and deal with it without turning every thread you participate in into a flame war.

I don't have the time, nor the inclination, to clean up after you, especially when you spread nothing but disinformation. Your tone is beginning to degrade and you're starting to flame bait. Drop it, because as far as I can tell you're adding little value and the comedic relief wore off 3 pages ago...

 

[Tanya]

Some oil isn't going to hurt anything. As long as it is only a little. The scrapper rings will pull excess, and combustion will burn it. Some people have put bearing prelube on cylinder walls, and that isn't good. It slows the seating. I don't know that the OP did that, just saying don't do it.

Only used 10w30 to coat my cylinder walls right before I installed the pistons. The engine was on a stand for another month and had to be turned a few times so I was glad I did this, not wanting to drag dry metal rings down the freshly bored and honed cylinders. When we got her running, she burned very little blue smoke and it stopped after a few days.

 

[Supracentral]

Only used 10w30 to coat my cylinder walls right before I installed the pistons. The engine was on a stand for another month and had to be turned a few times so I was glad I did this, not wanting to drag dry metal rings down the freshly bored and honed cylinders. When we got her running, she burned very little blue smoke and it stopped after a few days.

If you ever make the mistake, it just takes longer to do the breakin. I had a customer with a 2JZ with rings that would not seat. I'm fairly certain he oiled down the walls when he assembled.

I finally took the car up to the Chattahoochee National Forest and ran it up and down the mountains. Lots of long downhill grades for compression braking.

I could actually hear the difference when the rings finally set in on that motor. It was a freakin PITA.