HID Bi-Xenon, 5000k vs Hella Halogen, Pics!
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yeah, the glare isn't bad AT ALL with some good housings and this kit
I'm really impressed (other than the crap of them not always firing, but hey, they're cheap...)
I really wish I had taken some pictures without the blinders to show people JUST how bad it is. I'm talking seriosuly bad to the point where I couldn't work for a few minutes since it was at night when I putting them in and I was THAT blind...
I'm really impressed (other than the crap of them not always firing, but hey, they're cheap...)
I really wish I had taken some pictures without the blinders to show people JUST how bad it is. I'm talking seriosuly bad to the point where I couldn't work for a few minutes since it was at night when I putting them in and I was THAT blind...
This is red leader, stay on topic... stay on topic... 
The installation wasn't perfect out of the box. Both high and low beams work, however, the high beam indicator no longer lights up, and trying to turn on the fogs turns on high beams instead.
I have a few theories on how to fix this, I'll post if I get it sorted.
The installation wasn't perfect out of the box. Both high and low beams work, however, the high beam indicator no longer lights up, and trying to turn on the fogs turns on high beams instead.
I have a few theories on how to fix this, I'll post if I get it sorted.
g/f forgot the camera...
I have a crappy ass digital, but I really need to set manual setting slike on her's to get a decent shot of them
can't seem to get these things aimed perfectly either, wouldn't believe how much of a hassle it is to find a flat spot of ground with a nice wall without lights... (and cops hassling you)
I have a crappy ass digital, but I really need to set manual setting slike on her's to get a decent shot of them
can't seem to get these things aimed perfectly either, wouldn't believe how much of a hassle it is to find a flat spot of ground with a nice wall without lights... (and cops hassling you)
I don't think so - there really isn't much to get crossed. All there was to connect was battery positive, two grounds, and the headlight plug... I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that the fogs can't turn on without the headlights being on first, and they only work on lowbeam.Poodles said:
sounds like maybe a bad headlight relay
if it's not the headlight relay, check the integration control relay (I feel like a broken record on this issue)
if neither one is the issue, check your wiring. I have a fog light rewire and mine works fine, wonder what it's doing wrong with the stock setup...
the headlights where a bit of a chore to wire up as well, control box is under the driver's side headlight, power wires to through grommet to the battery, passenger side has it's own native ground (used a body bolt for it), the rest is pretty simple...
maybe try swapping the wiring on the fog lamps?
if it's not the headlight relay, check the integration control relay (I feel like a broken record on this issue)
if neither one is the issue, check your wiring. I have a fog light rewire and mine works fine, wonder what it's doing wrong with the stock setup...
the headlights where a bit of a chore to wire up as well, control box is under the driver's side headlight, power wires to through grommet to the battery, passenger side has it's own native ground (used a body bolt for it), the rest is pretty simple...
maybe try swapping the wiring on the fog lamps?
It's not the relays. Everything works fine with halogens installed, therefore, the car is fine.
The problem lies in the fact that the foglight relay requires power from the low beams. When the low beams aren't using any power - because the HID's pull directly from the battery, and only use the original halogen connector to signal when to turn on the HID system - turning on the foglights sends enough of a signal back down the headlamp circuit to trigger the high beam mode.
In any case, doing the widely used SOGI foglight rewire mod fixed almost everything. I can now get foglights by themselves, with my lowbeams, or with my highbeams.
The only thing that still doesn't work is the high beam indicator on the dash. I'll need some more time with the wiring diagram and a meter to figure out what triggers that, I expect.
The problem lies in the fact that the foglight relay requires power from the low beams. When the low beams aren't using any power - because the HID's pull directly from the battery, and only use the original halogen connector to signal when to turn on the HID system - turning on the foglights sends enough of a signal back down the headlamp circuit to trigger the high beam mode.
In any case, doing the widely used SOGI foglight rewire mod fixed almost everything. I can now get foglights by themselves, with my lowbeams, or with my highbeams.
The only thing that still doesn't work is the high beam indicator on the dash. I'll need some more time with the wiring diagram and a meter to figure out what triggers that, I expect.
same here, highbeam indicator doesn't work, but I never noticed it...
it seems to be an amp draw that triggers it, but I'm unsure. I don't miss it as the light is pretty damn bright and kinda negates any effect of your highbeam by blinding you...
it seems to be an amp draw that triggers it, but I'm unsure. I don't miss it as the light is pretty damn bright and kinda negates any effect of your highbeam by blinding you...
How did yours wire in, Ian? I suspect that if we were pulling power from the headlight wiring it would still work...
it's the little control box that's the issue, though I like it...
I can probably rewire the high beam indicator pretty easily...
I can probably rewire the high beam indicator pretty easily...
Mine came as a kit where you just unplugged the plug from the stock globe and plugged the Ballast in and it powers the HID, I ended up wiring in a bunch of relay's to help solve an issue where one or the other Hid won't fire up when switched on (Instantaneous current draw is a bit excessive for the stock wiring on startup)
The High Beam indicator works as usual.
The High Beam indicator works as usual.
it's gotta be that little box...
I have an idea, since the passenger side plug is unused, is there any way you could simulate a lightbulb without drawing tons of current? I'm thinking it wants a completed circuit and that would work...
I have an idea, since the passenger side plug is unused, is there any way you could simulate a lightbulb without drawing tons of current? I'm thinking it wants a completed circuit and that would work...
bumping this:
poodles is thinking along the same lines i am. i just installed the kit in my '94 toyota pickup. it's alright. i still need to tweak it. (hi/lo kit)
i was thinking that if we put a resistor of the same amount of resistance between the ground and the high beam pin on the unused headlight connector that possibly that would trigger the high beam light to come on?
i like the high beam indicator, as i tinted both of my bulbs (truck and supra) so it's a nice cool, unintrusive blue, rather than shining in my eyes)
here's a few things i've noted thus far:
i'm using hella e-code housings, like Dave (GrimJack). i don't like the beam pattern. i was outside for 25 minutes earlier tonight trying to get the beam to look good and solid with no dark spots, and still have a good cutoff. still no luck. i have a nice dark spot on the left side of the road.
another thing- when i turn on the high beams- it shifts the light forward (as it's supposed to), but also to the left. anyone have an idea as to why that would happen? when i get the low beams looking good and sharp, i switch to highs, and the pattern looks like crap.
also- the two "hotspots" where the beams land are at a diagnal- is it supposed to be like that? (both on an angle slanting from upper left to lower right) i thought they'd be straight. i noticed GrimJack's are like that also. is this the flare to illuminate roat signs overhead? can you see those diagnal flares when you have your lights on low beams? maybe i have mine aimed too low...
so far, i was able to get a better light pattern (albeit, not as bright) out of my sealed beam sylvanias. i'm not 100% impressed yet. hopefully a bit more digging around will solve my issues.
can someone post a picture of their HID's on a dark road so i can see your pattern? (preferably using e-code housings) thanks, and sorry for the long winded post.
-shaeff
poodles is thinking along the same lines i am. i just installed the kit in my '94 toyota pickup. it's alright. i still need to tweak it. (hi/lo kit)
i was thinking that if we put a resistor of the same amount of resistance between the ground and the high beam pin on the unused headlight connector that possibly that would trigger the high beam light to come on?
i like the high beam indicator, as i tinted both of my bulbs (truck and supra) so it's a nice cool, unintrusive blue, rather than shining in my eyes)
here's a few things i've noted thus far:
i'm using hella e-code housings, like Dave (GrimJack). i don't like the beam pattern. i was outside for 25 minutes earlier tonight trying to get the beam to look good and solid with no dark spots, and still have a good cutoff. still no luck. i have a nice dark spot on the left side of the road.
another thing- when i turn on the high beams- it shifts the light forward (as it's supposed to), but also to the left. anyone have an idea as to why that would happen? when i get the low beams looking good and sharp, i switch to highs, and the pattern looks like crap.
also- the two "hotspots" where the beams land are at a diagnal- is it supposed to be like that? (both on an angle slanting from upper left to lower right) i thought they'd be straight. i noticed GrimJack's are like that also. is this the flare to illuminate roat signs overhead? can you see those diagnal flares when you have your lights on low beams? maybe i have mine aimed too low...
so far, i was able to get a better light pattern (albeit, not as bright) out of my sealed beam sylvanias. i'm not 100% impressed yet. hopefully a bit more digging around will solve my issues.
can someone post a picture of their HID's on a dark road so i can see your pattern? (preferably using e-code housings) thanks, and sorry for the long winded post.
-shaeff
you should have dark spots above the cut off
you SHOULD have a flare to the right as it's to illuminate roadside signs
I've noticed the beam going to the left with the high beams as well, not sure why as of yet, but I have a hunch it has something to do with the movement of the bulb.
Normal halogens will take advantage of the housing better in my testing (and I'll be modifying my HID's to make them better), high beam seems to suffer the most...
you SHOULD have a flare to the right as it's to illuminate roadside signs
I've noticed the beam going to the left with the high beams as well, not sure why as of yet, but I have a hunch it has something to do with the movement of the bulb.
Normal halogens will take advantage of the housing better in my testing (and I'll be modifying my HID's to make them better), high beam seems to suffer the most...