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Hd Dvd Vs Blu-ray

  • HD DVD

    Votes: 16 32.7%
  • Blu-ray

    Votes: 17 34.7%
  • vhs!!

    Votes: 16 32.7%

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iwannadie

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Ok I got an hd dvd player for pretty cheap this Black friday and its really awesome. I have a 60" 1080 tv and hd cable(setup proper) and was really impressed with that quality. However, Im watching shrek3 now on the hd dvd and it blows away any broadcast hd Ive seen sofar.

I know theres the whole blu vs hd, I like hd for my own reason and dont like blu. Just didnt expect this quality jump over the HD tv Ive been watching for a year now :love:
 

Kai

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Neither right now. Waiting for one format to win out over the other before i make a purchasing decision. The drives for PC are too expensive anyway, and i still have to deal with DRM'ed shit. Rather just stick with regular DVD if needed and then download my DRM-free HD 720p whenever i choose :)
 

MKivSupra_Rob

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Meh, i'm sticking with blu purely cause they can hold WAY more (which is why we'd upgrade i nthe first place, more room) and it's already outselling hd dvd over 2-1.
 

ms07s

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Everything I have read says blu-ray is winning. My guess is it is that way because the ps3 plays them. I have seen both and the quality is nearly identical but as a media format blu-ray is larger. You know they say beta was superior to vhs but vhs still won that one. I will be getting a LG that plays both after christmas so I can watch both and upconvert my standard dvds.:naughty:
 

mkIIIman089

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Kai said:
Neither right now. Waiting for one format to win out over the other before i make a purchasing decision. The drives for PC are too expensive anyway, and i still have to deal with DRM'ed shit. Rather just stick with regular DVD if needed and then download my DRM-free HD 720p whenever i choose :)
Agreed.

Of the two, blu-ray has higher capacity. So its my pick for hopeful win.

That being said, I think it will take a 3rd format that is miles better than these two for the "war" to end.
 

Dirgle

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I have both, and they are both pretty decent. HD-DVD has more features, but blu-ray has more capacity, more widely accepted, and is more future friendly. So far after dealing with both I have come to like blu-ray more.
 

iwannadie

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This debate will get real ugly and real old fast, people like to post off the wall facts with no thing to support it. Each camp has been declaring the other is dead since day One. Both sides are still going stronger than ever, I dont see how you can say the other is dead. I personally like HDdvd over blu-ray but I cant say blu is dead or will loose.

Even the sony CEO says theres no clear winner, how can some guy on an offbeat news website claim to know more than the ceo? Alot of claims of 5:1 sales in favor of either camp is counting free movies bundled as part of that. Claiming victory because you gave away more movies doesnt make sense to me.

As far as capacity goes, thats not an end all answer to a winner. The margin isnt over whelming and we have delt with multi-vhs then multi-dvd movies for a long enough time. According to cnet "For HD DVD, that means capacities of 15GB and 30GB; for Blu-ray, it's 25GB and 50GB". Bluray pays for that higher capacity with higher costs and lower yields on the discs. I didnt think bluray has come close to actually making 50g discs in mass. Its on paper but hasnt been mass produced yet so that is no thing more than spec whoring.

I think sony backed themselves into a corner on the price of players. They cant really under cut the ps3 price or risk loosing sales of the ps3. HD dvd players will come in under 100$ which means huge hardware sales in turn movie sales. XXXX movie studio will see a huge installed base of players and bank on that camp for movie sales. The Hd dvd camp can use the low cost players to lock 'average' customers into a format then make up the money with media. The same way gillette locks you into a razor for cheap then charges a fortune for replacement blades lol.

On top of that theres no p0rn on blu-ray, they are foced to use HD dvd. If history is any clue, porn is a huge factor. The porn industry pushed the dvd format into what it became. Porn also backed VHS rather than beta max.

Speaking of history lets look at sony. Beta max, failed although a superior format. They backed Divx(I think), the dvd alternative where you paid per view of the disc. Disney also backed divx which was said to be the nail in the coffin for that format victory, noone knows what divx is now. Divx players cost more and locked you into 1 company(circuit city) for player options(see a resemblance to blu-ray?). UMD, yea that was a huge success on their own player their own format went under. Minidiscs put up a fight for years but never took off for the masses. How about when sony fought the mp3 format with its own, yea that failed too. Maybe their secure music Cds could be the winner against normal cds, wait no.

Sorry turned into a would be fan boy rant. As I said its just my choice and I cant post 'hd is better it out sold 6:1' based on no thing. I want to read up and learn not blindly repeat stuff off www.bobsmoviesite.hga. So, all this is based on what I read and if Im wrong please educate me.
 

SupraOfDoom

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Don't let people talking about porn having a real effect on swaying your idea's.... it isn't the same as it used to be. When VHS and Betamax were competing there was no other alternative for getting pron movies... no internet, no cheaper products ( DVD's ) ect, so this is a horrible horrible point. Plus people aren't as concerned about seeing details on their favorite porn stars like moles and pimples that you couldn't catch on DVD.

Anyway, Blu-ray sells 2:1 over HD-DVD in terms of software sales ( and in other countries its way more ), but if you EXCLUDE PS3 the standalone players are neck and neck. Although excluding PS3 from that is kind of stupid because there are a shit ton of people who bought PS3 for Blu-ray alone, and or blu-ray and gaming.... like myself.

Blu-ray has more support as well, just read the lists of who supports who and you'll find out that the only company to have not been payed off to go exclusive hd-dvd is Universal. Paramount and Dreamworks entertainment were payed $150 million to make HD-DVD exclusively for 1.5 years a few months ago. But other then that that is all you will find exclusively on HD-DVD. Blu-ray will have a lot more exclusive titles, and over all has way more titles available for it, and the gap keeps widening.

Also, I don't know about you, but for me my favorite thing about blu-ray besides the space, is the protective coating it has... you can litterly take a pizza cutter or ball point pen to it and run the movies with no problems... just search you-tube.

Right now the battle is certainly raging.. but still all signs point to either a stalemate at best for HD-DVD, or a Blu-ray win.

A good site for mainly un-baised information is ( as well as sales data ect ):
http://www.highdefdigest.com/

Make the decisions for yourself... but logically speaking Blu-ray is probably your best bet between the 2. Or, the best option if your willing to wait on your HD movie enjoyment is waiting it out...

**As for the above poster** 50 gig Blu-ray discs are already in use....

They are now working on 100gb Blu-rays, and even beyond.
 

SupraOfDoom

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We don't really have much that need that much information that fast... and really its not that slow or games wouldn't be ran on them... plus with time faster readers / and burners will be available. I think computers would have a harder time keeping up with all that information in reality.
 

Doward

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SupraOfDoom said:
We don't really have much that need that much information that fast... and really its not that slow or games wouldn't be ran on them... plus with time faster readers / and burners will be available. I think computers would have a harder time keeping up with all that information in reality.

lmao - you can NEVER have too much bandwidth when it comes to your I/O subsystem, imho.

With SSDD around the corner transfer speeds have got to pick up, for bluray to be a viable alternative for data, to me.
 

bigaaron

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From the independent reviews I have read it looks like all the biggest manufacturers are getting behind Blu-ray. I looked into it because my dad was asking me which one to buy. If Blockbuster or some other big rental company decides on one, and stocks a lot of it, then that would probably be the final sign of which one to buy IMHO.

I bet a new format is already out there that will take over movies like MP3's have for music. Then you would just get something like a big zip drive and disks would be a thing of the past. Just take it to the movie place and download the video. Nothing to loose or return.
 

iwannadie

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I like how people post news articles from 1-2 years ago as being relevant. Its funny though in those 1-2 year old articles they have a clear winner/looser back then, yet its the same shpeel in current articles.

Like I said its just my opinion on HD based on everything I know and read and past mistakes. Ill end up with a ps3 at some point for games and any odd ball blu exclusives.

As for blockbuster, I rent all my movies online from them and they have both hd and blu online.
 

Kai

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I dont like Blu-Ray at all. Yes it can hold more but again, its something proprietary that Sony have cooked up like Betamax/Lasermax/Memory Stick etc...

Blu-Ray discs are also far more fragile than HDDVD's.

The whole bullshit of them outselling HD-DVD 2:1 is US ONLY. I dont think i know of a single person who's bought a PS3 over here, cause they're ridiculously expensive and all the good games are available for the 360 anyway. People that already have a 360 can go buy the HDDVD addon for £120. I actually hope Sony fails with the whole PS3 venture. Overpriced piece of crap if you ask me....
 

iwannadie

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Kai said:
I dont like Blu-Ray at all. Yes it can hold more but again, its something proprietary that Sony have cooked up like Betamax/Lasermax/Memory Stick etc...

Blu-Ray discs are also far more fragile than HDDVD's.

The whole bullshit of them outselling HD-DVD 2:1 is US ONLY. I dont think i know of a single person who's bought a PS3 over here, cause they're ridiculously expensive and all the good games are available for the 360 anyway. People that already have a 360 can go buy the HDDVD addon for £120. I actually hope Sony fails with the whole PS3 venture. Overpriced piece of crap if you ask me....

I agree, I never liked the playstation since day 1. Theres some games though I want to play and end up breaking down and buying a psx and ps2slim just to play a few games on it.

I always wonder why people say the ps3 is such an amazing blu ray player yet stand alone players cost More. Why are people paying more for a stand alone player when they could get the ps3 which does Alot more for less money? Do the bluray players have better audio output or what makes them cost more if the ps3 is such an amazing movie player?
 

Dirgle

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Transfer speed isn't as important as longevity for the purpose of back up and archiving. I have 3.4 TB of data I have backed up on DVD-R. It's a lot of discs and I'm looking forward to a high capacity disc such as blu-ray. The real issue I looking out for its the longevity of the dye used to record on. The dye on DVD-R has a life of about 4 years before it starts breaking down. I'm hoping blu-ray is longer, so far it's looking pretty good but I haven't seen any solid numbers. Time will tell.
 

Kai

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Exactly. I have over 50 movies in HD spanned over either 4.7gb or 8.4gb Dual layers....and for things like TV series in HD - where 1 DVD only holds 2 episodes, a long lasting optical disc is preferable to one thats stupidly fast.
 
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