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When I was 9, we moved to Tehran, Iran. It was a country pulling itself out of the 15th century quickly into the 20th century. The Shah was using the oil money to build schools, roads and the economy to provide jobs and a life for his people.
This was during the height of the cold war, something you, D34DC311 only read about now in your history books, or are lectured on in a college class by someone who read something in a book, or watched it on tv. (Like that makes it real right?) Ever watch "Wag the Dog"? Very interesting movie, but it had a very sinister message about what you see, or read from the media in this, or any country. (It's usually filtered bull shit, reported as "fact" by some reporter with a personal cause.) You know why reporters have personal causes? Reporters for the most part are paid shit wages. Only the very committed will put up with the long hours, travel and measly pay. Very few of the reporters make any real money. Perhaps 10% or so become famous, and make a living at it.
Back to reality. I was 9, and living in Iran. During the time I was there, Jimmy Carter came to visit our ally in the Persian Gulf. (Remember, this is a country that has a Northern border with the USSR, our sworn enemy at this period in history, and a very good supply of oil, warm water port and many other nice things the CCCP would love to get ahold of in 1977.) So, Jimmy gets up to speak, and proceeds to put his foot in mouth, makes an ass of himself and basicly offends the entire nation of Iran. (Our friends at the time.) What he said was that the Shah was not doing enough for human rights (He was/is really hell bent on this idea of human rights, and still builds houses today to promote human rights and equality...)
On of our good friends in Iran worked for a company called J-Core. (Basicly a CIA front, and since it's been gone for years, something I don't think anyone will mind talking about now.) He later told my dad about the fall of the Shah, and why it really happened.
The CIA was paying the Shiite faction 40 million dollars a year to keep the Khomani in France where he was living since his son tried to assinate the Shah, and the Shah had him put to death. (Pretty easy to tell he was trying to kill the Shah, he had a gun, and was firing at the Shah and his family, and was overpowered by security.) They excecuted him very publicly as is the tradition in the middle east.
So, Jimmy comes to town, is the loud, stupid American, and then tells the CIA to stop the 40m payments because he thinks bribes are un-christian, and he can't have his administration doing that sort of thing.
Soon, very soon, the russians, who have been working on the students in Iran for years, now have a way of getting them riled up to the point where they will start to riot for change. (Change of what? The Shah was giving them an education, and freedoms they did not have before. The religious leaders were also concerned that as the people learned to read, they could determine their own lives, and not just blindly do as the Mullah's tell them to.) The Russians riled up the students to riot for socialist ideals. Give me what you have, and let's all live richly. (And I don't have to work for it.) The Mullah's could see this, and used the Russians to cause unrest, and riots.
With the USA pulling it's support the Shah took his family and fled, fearing for their lives.
About this time, my family decided to leave. The Shiites took our embasy workers hostage, and Jimmy did not know what to do. (Imagine that. A liberal with no clue, what a change from Bill Clinton in Somalia, or the Balkens, or while he was cumming on his intern?)
So what is the legacy of Jimmy Carter? Winner of a Nobel peace prize? He is DIRECTLY tied to the start of a 12 year war between Iran, and Iraq. Our dislike for the new religious government of Iran (which by the way, killed all of the Soviet agents who were working with the students after the Shah left, they had no love for socialism, it does not fit into their religious government where the Clerics and Mulah's rule the people with religious zeal.) In fact, we dislike the new Iran so much, we take up sides with the repulsive leader of Iraq, So Damn Insane, and he plays us and the Russians who are equally pissed at the new Iran for killing off all the agents they had down there. (The Iranian secret police were trained by Mossad, but they will never admit it. Neither will Israel.) They had most, if not all of the CCCP agents made, and it was easy to round them up when the government changed to Islam.
So, back to the story, and why this matters. Over here, you had nothing of this reported in the news. It was all about how the oppressed people of Iran had risen up against a corrupt king, and gone back to the religion they loved so much. (Ask any Iranian if they loved losing the freedoms they had under the Shah. If they are truthfull, they will tell you that they HATE the new government, and can't wait till it's overthrown, but nobody is willing to die trying, so they just live with the oppression.)
Oh, the estimates I've heard about the death toll of the 12 year Iran/Iraq war exceed 6 million people. Men, women and children. Nice job Jimmy. Enjoy the Nobel award buddy.
On to Saudi Arabia. My parents/family had not had enough of the middle east, so in about 1985, they moved to Saudi. This time around, it was for just under 9 years, so they were there during the first gulf war. (When So Damn Insane walked into Kuwait. Just one week after I was there by the way. My brother and I were visting my parents for the summer, and ended up leaving a war zone again for the second in our lives. My Dad stayed during the whole war, almost got hit my scuds a few times, and actually, the compound where my parents lived, and that my brother and I spent two summers at, was the same compound bombed a few years ago. (Shocking to turn on the TV and see the front gate, and what was left of the row of condo's where your parents lived blown up.) Lucky for us, the US citizens were no longer living at that compound, but it was being lived in by workers from other countries who the Suni "Whahabi" Muslems think are polluting their holy land. (If your not Islam, you need to either convert, or die.) And you should not be allowed into the holy land by any means. (Just read some of the writings of these guys. It's amazing that our media does not report on this extreme hate group every day of the week. They make the Aryan Nations look like pansies.)
What does this mean to you as a college student who thinks you know everything, and your professors are learned men/women filling your head with wisdom and understanding beyond what us simpletons can comprehend? It means untill YOU actually go out and see what is going on for yourself, your never going to really know what you have here. And what they are dealing with there. (Whereever there is.)
You keep brining up North Africa. Yes there is great suffering in North Africa. It's TOTALLY TIED to the spread of Islam in that area of the world. The islamic factions are purging the land of Christians and other unbelievers. Either convert, or die. That is their motto.
So, what are we doing in Iraq today? We are trying to put an end to the rule of a dictator we ended up helping while the Iran we were allies with fell due to the stupidity of Jimmy Carter.
We are fighting a war against radical Islam, but trying to go about it the wrong way in my opinion. (I have a different opinion than most Americans, having lived in, or been closely associated with the middle east for most of my life.)
We made a huge blunder in Somalia by leaving when OSBL was financing the terror there as the Christians were being slaughtered and starved by the Islamic forces in that part of the world. They killed our guys because we let the UN fight our battles, and we tucked our tails and ran home. (Clinton again not sure what to do, perhaps I should masterbate on Monica again? That's the ticket.) LOL Hell I feel sorry for the guy, if I was married to that bitch Hillary, I'd have Monica blow me anyday of the week too.
I don't know what would have happend if we had continued to pay the bribe to keep the Shia faction in Iran slient. Perhaps the Shaw's family would still be in power, and we would still have a good ally in the Gulf. Iran would not be developing a Nuke, and the Taliban would not be hiding out there.
Iraq might not have become the military power it did if not for the 12 year war with Iran? Who knows? I sure don't. At this point, it's all conjecture, but I do know it was touched off by a peanut farmer from GA. And history for the most part missed it.
Just think of all the reasons that we go to war.
Your god is better than mine.
You shot my prime minister, or other leader.
You have something I want. I think we will just take it.
Your way of life is not right, and I'm going to impose my way of thinking on you.
You attacked Pearl Harbor.
You sank my ship.
You knocked down the Twin Towers, crashed a plane into the Pentagon, and brave people on a plane thwarted your attempt to cause more mayhem.
Pick any of them, all are valid, but the reasons the USA has generally gone to war, now and in the past has been to preserve our way of life, and to protect the idea that freedom allows you to do what you want, and become who you want regardless of your family, or wealth. (Land of opportunity, and it truely is just that.)
Go ahead and hate Bush, or Regan, or any of the conservative Presidents. Love your liberal teachers, and ideals. But don't be supprised when those same ideals cost you your freedoms, and those of us that don't agree stick a boot up your ass. (Personally, I'm more for just shooting those that don't comply, but that's very Islamic of me right?) Must be all the years I spent in that part of the world. It's rubbed off on me. LOL
This was during the height of the cold war, something you, D34DC311 only read about now in your history books, or are lectured on in a college class by someone who read something in a book, or watched it on tv. (Like that makes it real right?) Ever watch "Wag the Dog"? Very interesting movie, but it had a very sinister message about what you see, or read from the media in this, or any country. (It's usually filtered bull shit, reported as "fact" by some reporter with a personal cause.) You know why reporters have personal causes? Reporters for the most part are paid shit wages. Only the very committed will put up with the long hours, travel and measly pay. Very few of the reporters make any real money. Perhaps 10% or so become famous, and make a living at it.
Back to reality. I was 9, and living in Iran. During the time I was there, Jimmy Carter came to visit our ally in the Persian Gulf. (Remember, this is a country that has a Northern border with the USSR, our sworn enemy at this period in history, and a very good supply of oil, warm water port and many other nice things the CCCP would love to get ahold of in 1977.) So, Jimmy gets up to speak, and proceeds to put his foot in mouth, makes an ass of himself and basicly offends the entire nation of Iran. (Our friends at the time.) What he said was that the Shah was not doing enough for human rights (He was/is really hell bent on this idea of human rights, and still builds houses today to promote human rights and equality...)
On of our good friends in Iran worked for a company called J-Core. (Basicly a CIA front, and since it's been gone for years, something I don't think anyone will mind talking about now.) He later told my dad about the fall of the Shah, and why it really happened.
The CIA was paying the Shiite faction 40 million dollars a year to keep the Khomani in France where he was living since his son tried to assinate the Shah, and the Shah had him put to death. (Pretty easy to tell he was trying to kill the Shah, he had a gun, and was firing at the Shah and his family, and was overpowered by security.) They excecuted him very publicly as is the tradition in the middle east.
So, Jimmy comes to town, is the loud, stupid American, and then tells the CIA to stop the 40m payments because he thinks bribes are un-christian, and he can't have his administration doing that sort of thing.
Soon, very soon, the russians, who have been working on the students in Iran for years, now have a way of getting them riled up to the point where they will start to riot for change. (Change of what? The Shah was giving them an education, and freedoms they did not have before. The religious leaders were also concerned that as the people learned to read, they could determine their own lives, and not just blindly do as the Mullah's tell them to.) The Russians riled up the students to riot for socialist ideals. Give me what you have, and let's all live richly. (And I don't have to work for it.) The Mullah's could see this, and used the Russians to cause unrest, and riots.
With the USA pulling it's support the Shah took his family and fled, fearing for their lives.
About this time, my family decided to leave. The Shiites took our embasy workers hostage, and Jimmy did not know what to do. (Imagine that. A liberal with no clue, what a change from Bill Clinton in Somalia, or the Balkens, or while he was cumming on his intern?)
So what is the legacy of Jimmy Carter? Winner of a Nobel peace prize? He is DIRECTLY tied to the start of a 12 year war between Iran, and Iraq. Our dislike for the new religious government of Iran (which by the way, killed all of the Soviet agents who were working with the students after the Shah left, they had no love for socialism, it does not fit into their religious government where the Clerics and Mulah's rule the people with religious zeal.) In fact, we dislike the new Iran so much, we take up sides with the repulsive leader of Iraq, So Damn Insane, and he plays us and the Russians who are equally pissed at the new Iran for killing off all the agents they had down there. (The Iranian secret police were trained by Mossad, but they will never admit it. Neither will Israel.) They had most, if not all of the CCCP agents made, and it was easy to round them up when the government changed to Islam.
So, back to the story, and why this matters. Over here, you had nothing of this reported in the news. It was all about how the oppressed people of Iran had risen up against a corrupt king, and gone back to the religion they loved so much. (Ask any Iranian if they loved losing the freedoms they had under the Shah. If they are truthfull, they will tell you that they HATE the new government, and can't wait till it's overthrown, but nobody is willing to die trying, so they just live with the oppression.)
Oh, the estimates I've heard about the death toll of the 12 year Iran/Iraq war exceed 6 million people. Men, women and children. Nice job Jimmy. Enjoy the Nobel award buddy.
On to Saudi Arabia. My parents/family had not had enough of the middle east, so in about 1985, they moved to Saudi. This time around, it was for just under 9 years, so they were there during the first gulf war. (When So Damn Insane walked into Kuwait. Just one week after I was there by the way. My brother and I were visting my parents for the summer, and ended up leaving a war zone again for the second in our lives. My Dad stayed during the whole war, almost got hit my scuds a few times, and actually, the compound where my parents lived, and that my brother and I spent two summers at, was the same compound bombed a few years ago. (Shocking to turn on the TV and see the front gate, and what was left of the row of condo's where your parents lived blown up.) Lucky for us, the US citizens were no longer living at that compound, but it was being lived in by workers from other countries who the Suni "Whahabi" Muslems think are polluting their holy land. (If your not Islam, you need to either convert, or die.) And you should not be allowed into the holy land by any means. (Just read some of the writings of these guys. It's amazing that our media does not report on this extreme hate group every day of the week. They make the Aryan Nations look like pansies.)
What does this mean to you as a college student who thinks you know everything, and your professors are learned men/women filling your head with wisdom and understanding beyond what us simpletons can comprehend? It means untill YOU actually go out and see what is going on for yourself, your never going to really know what you have here. And what they are dealing with there. (Whereever there is.)
You keep brining up North Africa. Yes there is great suffering in North Africa. It's TOTALLY TIED to the spread of Islam in that area of the world. The islamic factions are purging the land of Christians and other unbelievers. Either convert, or die. That is their motto.
So, what are we doing in Iraq today? We are trying to put an end to the rule of a dictator we ended up helping while the Iran we were allies with fell due to the stupidity of Jimmy Carter.
We are fighting a war against radical Islam, but trying to go about it the wrong way in my opinion. (I have a different opinion than most Americans, having lived in, or been closely associated with the middle east for most of my life.)
We made a huge blunder in Somalia by leaving when OSBL was financing the terror there as the Christians were being slaughtered and starved by the Islamic forces in that part of the world. They killed our guys because we let the UN fight our battles, and we tucked our tails and ran home. (Clinton again not sure what to do, perhaps I should masterbate on Monica again? That's the ticket.) LOL Hell I feel sorry for the guy, if I was married to that bitch Hillary, I'd have Monica blow me anyday of the week too.
I don't know what would have happend if we had continued to pay the bribe to keep the Shia faction in Iran slient. Perhaps the Shaw's family would still be in power, and we would still have a good ally in the Gulf. Iran would not be developing a Nuke, and the Taliban would not be hiding out there.
Iraq might not have become the military power it did if not for the 12 year war with Iran? Who knows? I sure don't. At this point, it's all conjecture, but I do know it was touched off by a peanut farmer from GA. And history for the most part missed it.
Just think of all the reasons that we go to war.
Your god is better than mine.
You shot my prime minister, or other leader.
You have something I want. I think we will just take it.
Your way of life is not right, and I'm going to impose my way of thinking on you.
You attacked Pearl Harbor.
You sank my ship.
You knocked down the Twin Towers, crashed a plane into the Pentagon, and brave people on a plane thwarted your attempt to cause more mayhem.
Pick any of them, all are valid, but the reasons the USA has generally gone to war, now and in the past has been to preserve our way of life, and to protect the idea that freedom allows you to do what you want, and become who you want regardless of your family, or wealth. (Land of opportunity, and it truely is just that.)
Go ahead and hate Bush, or Regan, or any of the conservative Presidents. Love your liberal teachers, and ideals. But don't be supprised when those same ideals cost you your freedoms, and those of us that don't agree stick a boot up your ass. (Personally, I'm more for just shooting those that don't comply, but that's very Islamic of me right?) Must be all the years I spent in that part of the world. It's rubbed off on me.
LOL
