"George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People"

[drunk_medic]

Education my friend, education. A lot of miniorities still have the mind set, and still teach their children that, the white man is the enemy. they still have the mind set "You enslaved our people, and me"
this is not the situation with all of them, but with many, with the uneducated.

So, what.. give "them" a handout of education? Most don't want it. "Whitey is just trying to look like he cares". "Enslaved OUR people"? How about YOU ENSLAVED YOURSELVES! Most slaves became so by losing in war versus a rival tribe. They were then sold TO THE WHITE MAN BY OTHER AFRICAN TRIBES!!! That is what I was getting at with one of my other posts - if you stop thinking of yourself as black, white and yellow and start calling yourself an AMERICAN, maybe you can get away from the past. YOU weren't enslaved, and neither were your parents. The white man owes you nothing.
If we start thinking of each other as Americans, then as Americans, we owe EACH OTHER the preservation of freedom of speech, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so long as it does not interfere with that of your brothers and sisters rights.

 

[SupraMario]

It's often been said that one of the most dangerous things in the world is a college kid with a cause. Young enough to be easily swayed, and energetic enough to really do some damage.
Winning their hearts and minds is simple - figuring out what you want them to do after you have them is the hard part. "Make everyone hate their own country and their leaders".

Seriously, politics are not simple. It's not hack-n-slash button-pushing like you are playing a game of Diablo. I don't think you really understood what I was saying about "checks and balances", especially when you said "I didn't forget to check". I'm not trying to make you look dumb, but checks and balances are what describes our government's process of making laws and decisions. Represented by your 3 branches of government [Judicial, Legislative and Executive], each makes up 1/3. You need 2/3 vote to approve. That means if something is bad, the President can veto, and it's up to the others to make it happen, and if they want it that badly, they can make it happen despite the President's wishes. Basically, if George Bush says "Yes, I want us to go blow up the Krispy Kreme in Baghdad" doesn't mean he is the one to take the blame. Blame your State Representatives and Senators, and the Judges, because they have a hand in it as well.

read my above statements, I dont directly blame G, W but i blame the whole system, and i vote, if your wandering, and u really didnt make me look stupid because i covered everything you said up above.

Going into Iraq to take care of business was a smart thing - it's a rocky, sandy country, roughly the size of California, a large area where it would be EASY to tuck away a huge weapons cache, that had a mad tyrant for a ruler - a man who ruled for YEARS. There is no maximum term for a dictator. His history of oppression and cruelty makes him look right at home next to John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy. Do you want a man who performed horrid experiments and tests for biological agents on his own people to have his hands on these items and a means to spread them well beyond the borders of his own country?
We were already in the middle east - why not kill two birds with one stone?

Sadam would not have attacked anyone, he was scared back into his country, they have oil thats why we attacked them, tell me if you wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone why didnt we go after Iran, they have weapons that we for sure know about, and what about North Korea, they are sitting their and showing us that they have nukes, they even announce it to us. I have a friend that came from iraq to learn, it wasnt that bad over their, its not as bad as we depict it to be, he even said that the people would have eventually created a rebelion and forced sadam out.
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"Do you want a man who performed horrid experiments and tests for biological agents on his own people to have his hands on these items and a means to spread them well beyond the borders of his own country?"

For one, yes he did these things, boo fuckin hoo. i dont know if you know this but, North Africa, theres something called genocide going on over there in almost every one of the countries. North Korea again, his people are starving, they are desperite for aid, they are the ones that need help, not Iraq.

 

[SupraMario]

So, what.. give "them" a handout of education? Most don't want it. "Whitey is just trying to look like he cares". "Enslaved OUR people"? How about YOU ENSLAVED YOURSELVES! Most slaves became so by losing in war versus a rival tribe. They were then sold TO THE WHITE MAN BY OTHER AFRICAN TRIBES!!! That is what I was getting at with one of my other posts - if you stop thinking of yourself as black, white and yellow and start calling yourself an AMERICAN, maybe you can get away from the past. YOU weren't enslaved, and neither were your parents. The white man owes you nothing.
If we start thinking of each other as Americans, then as Americans, we owe EACH OTHER the preservation of freedom of speech, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so long as it does not interfere with that of your brothers and sisters rights.

NOW YOUR THINKING.
but sadly this is what i get from a lot of them.

 

[drunk_medic]

Our problem with North Korea is China and South Korea. We are in South Korea [I was stationed there for a year] and China is up north. When fighting side by side with South Koreans, we would have a huge problem - you can't tell a North Korean from a South Korean. This sounds bad, I know - but it's very tough. Asians, for the most part, look very different. If you have lived there, you can tell Japanese from Chinese from Philippino from Korean, but to tell North and South Koreans apart would be tough. You KNOW that the North would be using the South's uniforms to infiltrate and destroy our troops in South Korea, AND the South Koreans [our Allies]. It would be Vietnam all over again. To make things worse, it would be very tough to try and bomb North Korea. Once we started up against North Korea, China would see that as an act of aggression against a Communist state that is directly connected with them, and there would be the start of World War 3. We are not ready for that. The USA may be the most powerful country in the world, but we would suffer tremendous losses if anyone even survived.
As for the situation in North Africa, one thing at a time. Maybe when we are done in Iraq and the "'stan countries" we will get to it while making our way west, back home. Our military is spread thin. Patience.

 

[SupraMario]

When fighting side by side with South Koreans, we would have a huge problem - you can't tell a North Korean from a South Korean. This sounds bad, I know - but it's very tough. Asians, for the most part, look very different. If you have lived there, you can tell Japanese from Chinese from Philippino from Korean, but to tell North and South Koreans apart would be tough. You KNOW that the North would be using the South's uniforms to infiltrate and destroy our troops in South Korea, AND the South Koreans [our Allies]. It would be Vietnam all over again. To make things worse, it would be very tough to try and bomb North Korea.

china doesnt want to start shit with north korea they want to keep the peace with us, so if we went in which we never will we would have some backin with china, yes i know it sounds stupid, but its true china wants business with the USA and korea knows this. this is why we wont go in but ignoring north korea and hoping china takes care of it, isnt the solution.

also what do you think its like in Iraq now, they call it the second veitnam, and guess what, we dont know who is our allies and enemies either, so whats the difference.

 

[mkiiSupraMan18]

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[SupraMario]

Why can't we all just get along?

Im not made, Im debating.

 

[mkiiSupraMan18]

lol

I meant more along the lines of World Peace..... :icon_conf


BTW, This thread is awesome, I thought SM frowned upon political crapp....?
Not complaining, I think this thread is one of the more intellectually stimulating threads in the OT....

 

[drunk_medic]

I didn't know that there was any rule here about political debate, but I have to agree about the thread being good. You can ask my wife - I hate to fight, but I LOVE to argue. Arguments are best when each party has a valid point and they present it in a manner that does not bash the other's ideals.

The North Korea thing is very real, and is a big problem, but it is not #1 on "the list". Seriously, while I was over there, we were in training. I worked in the back-shop, which means that I worked on electronics repair for targeting systems, but during our "exercises" I was a Security Forces augmentee on a 5-man fire team, and they were training us to "turn the North Korean troops into blood, teeth and eyeballs" and to "send them home in ziploc bags".

The thing about China not wanting to start up with North Korea is a bit skewed; they are both communist countries. Those countries who follow the Communist Manifesto are truly brothers in arms; that is, they both embrace the same goal, which is perfect IN THEORY ONLY. Beware the "red".

 

[SupraMario]

But think of this, Free trade with china, boycott and complete shutout of North korea.
now your china, you have free trade with the most economical country in the World (USA).
your so called communist "brother" North Korea, wants to go boom with the USA, now, north korea is starting shit, you china are right next door and if the north nukes the south or the USA comes over to start to kick N. Koreas ass, you got crap from the war coming to your side.
What do u want War or Peace? Free trade with the USA or complete War with the rest of the world which in theory means you get no supplies(i.e. oil) to help out with the war.
U and a starving country(N. Korea) VS. The whole U.N.
You chose.

 

[drunk_medic]

Feasible as that may sound, I don't think China wants peace. I think that they want to have free trade - until they have enough money to fight a war.

 

[mkiiSupraMan18]

so then...... everyone really DOES want to kick our asses then?

 

[drunk_medic]

so then...... everyone really DOES want to kick our asses then?

I'm thinking "yes". The USA is a great place. Many people love us, but there are people who hate us JUST BECAUSE people love us. Maybe it's also jealousy. Our poor live better than middle class members of some other countries.
You have to admit though, it would piss you off if you looked at the way you live from the point of view of someone much less fortunate.
"Supra? What is that?"
Exactly.

 

[mkiiSupraMan18]

but I get that anyway...... :icon_conf

 

[SP 7M]

DC34-YES! I am refering to you. Aside from landing the answer to that unanswered question, it is you who is the brainwashed one. I will not even waste my time to quote you time and time again and tear into you, making you feel lesser than shit.

Drunk_Medic touched on it...

You are rapidly becoming part of the huge, not-so-new problem in America-the brainwashed college student. You're letting yourself be indoctrinated (do you know that word?) on a daily basis by your mind-fucker professors. It is very clear that you no longer think for yourself.

You claim to read about third-world countries often. I don't remember asking the question, "Who reads about third-world countries?" That should've told you enough to keep your mouth shut, as my real question clearly did not apply to you.

And in no way do I think that we should help out any third-world countries around the world by sending them millions and billions of our tax-payers' dollars. We have our own country to help, first and foremost, and I don't mean the useless bottom feeders that are constantly looking for a handout.

You should've learned one very important thing before you got to college-keep your mouth shut if you have no clue about the topic at hand. On that same note, it doesn't even appear that you graduated high school with your lack of spelling and grammar skills.

There is so much more I'd like to say, but I have things to take care of. I have a book for you, DC34. It's called Brainwashed, by Ben Shapiro-a graduate of UCLA that has seen through the liberal agenda that is being attempted to be shoved down nearly every college student's mouth by their moral-less, self-righteous professors. Your professors appear to already have you wrapped around their finger, so this does apply to you. So while you're sitting in your Communism and Marxism classes, listening to your evil professors preach to you about how great they are, set a little time aside at the end of the day to read this eye-opening book.

 

[SupraMario]

Feasible as that may sound, I don't think China wants peace. I think that they want to have free trade - until they have enough money to fight a war.

the fact that This is a famous quote and i dont Know who said it, (i think it was Einstiene(sp?))
"I don't know what WWIII will be fought with, but I do know that WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

So in theory if china starts shit, well the world as we know it, is gone.
ever play the game fallout? if not, read up on it, very good game, but very weird that makes you feel that if there was a Nuclear Holocaust we would all be fucked.

 

[drunk_medic]

If China starts up, life in the vault will not be too much of a worry.

 

[SupraMario]

DC34-YES! I am refering to you. Aside from landing the answer to that unanswered question, it is you who is the brainwashed one. I will not even waste my time to quote you time and time again and tear into you, making you feel lesser than shit.

Ok for one I don't feel like shit or feel lesser than shit, I dont know were you got that idea, and if you would read my post, instead of glancing at them and assuming, you wouldnt have come to this conclusion, that im brainwashed.

You are rapidly becoming part of the huge, not-so-new problem in America-the brainwashed college student. You're letting yourself be indoctrinated (do you know that word?) on a daily basis by your mind-fucker professors. It is very clear that you no longer think for yourself.

I clearly think for myself, you have yet to show were you stand on this topic, except that you hate islam and everything it stands for, also showing that you dont care for a 3rd party when it comes to politics is rediculus in the least. you clearly have gotten pissed when someone(Me) has questioned this society, I dont hate america, i love this country yet i cannot stand people who think america is the shit, its not. "rome wasnt built in a day" you know this quote, and it applies to america too, america isnt done. with change, with time, you must help evolve a country.

If you are not a patriotic citizen, get the fuck out, for you are part of the problem.

I am not a part of the problem, I am a part of the solution, you sir, thinking that america is good were it is now and that other contries are the problem, are part of the problem. we have to change with time, people like me, who think their mind and propose a solution to the problem we are facing are the ones that help america.

You claim to read about third-world countries often. I don't remember asking the question, "Who reads about third-world countries?" That should've told you enough to keep your mouth shut, as my real question clearly did not apply to you.

This was a mistake, I posted under your orginal post and it was supposed to go under another.

And in no way do I think that we should help out any third-world countries around the world by sending them millions and billions of our tax-payers' dollars. We have our own country to help, first and foremost, and I don't mean the useless bottom feeders that are constantly looking for a handout.

I stand on this topic the same as you do, giving money isnt the solution but taking over a country, isnt the solution neither.

You should've learned one very important thing before you got to college-keep your mouth shut if you have no clue about the topic at hand. On that same note, it doesn't even appear that you graduated high school with your lack of spelling and grammar skills.

For one spelling isnt of my worry, aparently it is to you, (I have dexlexia, runs in the family, and i have a hint of it) and graduated high school, thats pethetic, worry about what we are debating on and not attacking someone.
I am very knowledgable at the topic at hand i do research and i dont rely on just one source. I read them all.

There is so much more I'd like to say, but I have things to take care of. I have a book for you, DC34. It's called Brainwashed, by Ben Shapiro-a graduate of UCLA that has seen through the liberal agenda that is being attempted to be shoved down nearly every college student's mouth by their moral-less, self-righteous professors. Your professors appear to already have you wrapped around their finger, so this does apply to you. So while you're sitting in your Communism and Marxism classes, listening to your evil professors preach to you about how great they are, set a little time aside at the end of the day to read this eye-opening book.

Communism and Marxism, you might want to read up on those.
My college professors don't cram bullshit as you seem to think down my neck. The last time I checked studing computer science, and comp. engineering, they teach me about comp. and not about political science. I learn what I'm supposed to, and they teach me about comp. there has yet to be a class were we started to talk about political issues.
and if this a book and not some joke, i'll pick it up and give it a try.

and try and not get pissed, read at discuss why you feel the way you do on this topic, not bash me.

 

[SupraMario]

If China starts up, life in the vault will not be too much of a worry.

but i dont want to live in a vault:cry:

im tired im hittin the sack.

 

[Justin727]

Like always the media has blown things out of control. It's funny that when the mayor or governer over in new orleans was first elected he did alot of things that pissed the black community in new orleans off in his first year. They Claimed racism on him funny thing is he is also black. He was cleaning up the area and he did a pretty good job compared to what it use to be.
Racism is a low shot to the balls for anyone to say! I have to admit there were more black people there than white but there were white people there! Dunno if it was even told on the news for many of you but there were a fair share of white women raped right before and during the storm along with afterwards. There were plenty of white people stranded in new orleans on their roofs. I'm not a racist guy at all and I hate everyone equally. But when you have people shooting at choppers flying in to drop supplies and to evacuate the needy in hospitals thats just down right low and those people deserve to die.
I was driving around and I did see white people looting for food and just crap they didnt need like name brand clothes but I'm not going to lie I did see more blacks running from the outlet malls then I saw whites. I'm not saying white people are better but seeing and being in new orleans and talking to the people there in black nieghbor hoods along with the ones here in the coast alot of those people act out of control because they still feel like people owe them something..... I can't tell you how many times I have heard black people say to white people yall enslaved us and what not... Honestly who gives a shit, you're free now, no one is standing over you with a whip just shut up..
New Orleans had help sent there way even tho I have to say they didnt get as much as they should have I would say it was better then nothing. When things happen like this that seem hopeless people look to point the finger at someone, so they think of everything that they think could cause the most damage(all people in mind.)
I hate the racial card to be played because all it does is cause problems.. It's getting over played.