Fuel cut? Misfire?

honeydew

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No way, sounds like changing the plugs are a temporary solution. I'm glad you changed them anyway.

A cracked, broken, fouled, or missing plug wouldn't do what he's describing. His car dies. Powers down he says. A misfire would just be sputtering and slow. .

Spark plugs just provide the spark. Fouled black tips mean rich and one cracked possibly from heat of detonation? Faulty injector?

Then you replace them with brand new clean spark makers, 100% more effective than the ones you've just removed. Wow, the Supra is great now. Thanks guys!

2 days later.... "Check engine light" (I'm reading your future now.)

New o2 sensor has been blasted with rich exhaust for a few days and throws a check engine light. Possibly the AFM threw the check engine light at fuel cut for being maxed.

When you throttle and hit boost it dumps 11.2:1. Way too much fuel for the amount of air compressed during the early stages of spool. The AFM is maxed and the ECU Cuts the fuel and you get a reading of 16:1 so a rod doesn't go through the block.

My guess is you messed with the fuel regulator in some way. Perhaps you just crushed the stock one in too far delivering too much fuel at pressure or you have some sort of aftermarket regulator you installed to adjust but not sure how. Or the boost is maxing out your AFM.

No one gets an AFR gauge all by itself without knowing it'll begin saying some other AFR than what is stated in the manual.

Your Supra's AFR should be not less than 13:1 at 8PSI boost, full throttle. For the set up you have. Normal cruising should be anywhere from 14.2:1 to 14.8:1. maybe leaner I don't completely remember, my car hasn't been stock for a while. Slow deceleration can go to 16:1. 17:1. Foot off gas will pin at 21:1 the Widebands' limit. Half throttle into boost should be around 13.5:1 or 14.0:1 and can drop richer as the boost increases.

There i cut it down for you, in the daylight it did seem a bit rambling. Holy.
 
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RTtim

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Where to start after that? Changes------- I didn't change anything that I feel would cause the problem but idk anymore. Here is all details I can provide, hks air filter- 3" from turbo down with no cat( car was this way when I got it) I did a tune up, then installed a hallman boost controller. That's it, that's all I did. The only thing since I have owned the car that I noticed is not set up like factory is the fpr, instead of it being supplied vacuum thru the solonoid under the intake it has a positive vac like from the end of the intake. It has been that way for about a month and the car has ran great. My dad ( old school hot rodder) wanted a ride to see what boost was like so I took him for a spin and that is when the
Problem started. I bought the sideband after the problem started not because of something I changed. I figured it would be handy to have and might come be useful
In trying to figure out this little problem. Now as an update--- after changing the plugs all was good for the a couple days. The stutter is back but not as bad as it was before. So I am lost again lol. One problem is my supra is my daily driver so I dont have a lot of time to just sit back and try and figure this out until the weekends. Anymore thoughts?
 

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Just to add another small detail. My car has no issues first thing in the morning, only after warm up and it has been driven for about 10-15 miles then it will start acting up a little.
 

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I spoke to soon. About half way to work this morning my car started acting up again. Cruising at 3000 rpm my af ratio was at 15.2-16.5. Is it possible the fuel regulator is having a problem with a positive vac/ boost line hooked up to it? The problem is just like before it cruises good but once it gets about 5 in of vac it starts to cut out. It is not a light little stumble either it is like it wants to shut down then go again. Idk I'm lost. Part if the problem is by the time I get home from work I am to tired to make sense of things lol so any idea from anyone Is greatly appreciated.
 

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check every components of the fuel delivery system.
Fuel pump (you already done it)
fuel rail?
FPR?
injector?
are all those in perfectly working order?
 

honeydew

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sorry, I couldn't sleep and I get hyper when I'm up at night. it's ridiculous.

It's too bad you're not sure what's been done to your car. I really can't imagine someone going through all the time and expense of engine breathing without modding the fuel system.

and then you installed a Hallman. How high did you crank the boost too? when you throttle through the "problem" at 5psi what boost are you maxing at?

Forget the plugs, although you'll probably need new ones anyway. It's not your spark. It's the fuel delivery.

Don't bother tracing the fuel system. it's working fine. it's just giving you too much. 15:1 16:1 cruising is pretty normal. I would maybe replace all the injectors just out of paranoia about that cracked plug. The problem is your car was sold to you only half-modded.

I think you have an over-crushed fuel regulator. (It's a nice, redneck mod that can be part of the "Lexus upgrade" Half of which you have.) replace it, like $80 Toyota. I also think you need to turn down your boost or upgrade your AFM. You can get to a wrecker for some nice Bosch injectors cheap.
 
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RTtim

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As for the injectors, what other type of vehicle use the same injectors or at the least ones that will work and will they still be the 440cc or will the be larger? O and the regulator on the car has not been crushed as far as I can tell.
 

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Also an update--- the problem this morning was the vac line to the recirc valve exploded at the end. Massive vac is no good lol. There is still a very minor glitch here an there but nothing to big.


Also the boost right now is set at 12psi. Even if I turn it down it doesn't change anything.
 

honeydew

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You know those old oldmobiles with the big 5.7L V8's had the nice bosch 440's. Someone help with a make and model of those 80's 5L monster engines oldmobiles with the bosch 440's? Can't believe i'm blanking on that. sorry. You can usually pick them for about 5-10$ an injector. 440's are overkill for you.

The "crush" that I'm referring to on the FR is not really super noticeable. It's just a light tap with a hammer. It's already concave stock it's only "crushed" 1-2 millimeters when modded.
 

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honeydew;1707383 said:
You know those old oldmobiles with the big 5.7L V8's had the nice bosch 440's. Someone help with a make and model of those 80's 5L monster engines oldmobiles with the bosch 440's? Can't believe i'm blanking on that. sorry. You can usually pick them for about 5-10$ an injector. 440's are overkill for you.

I'm trying to figure you out sir.
 

honeydew

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OfnaRcR4;1707407 said:
I'm trying to figure you out sir.

First of all, i'm a girl. And where in that 5-word sentence fragment did i lose you?

440's should be able to handle 300hp, he'll be replacing a clutch before he outgrows those injectors anyway. He's only really got an exhaust, everything else is stock. Go pick up bigger injectors if your wish is too get more horse later but I though we were just trying to get your stock-ish car to run right.

Jerkfaces.
 

OfnaRcR4

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Sorry, didn't know that.
Anywho he could just pick up a set of stock 440's. They're everywhere. In fact i have a set of them just laying in my garage in a box and i consider them wothless because of the lack of deman for stock 440's. I think what threw us off is all the talk of olds injectors being overkill when they came stock on the car and you can get stockers for next to nothing.
 

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Well a little update---- I have replaced every vac line I can find and that didn't change anything. The problem this car is having is heat related for sure. Anyway I will just keep digging until I figure it out.
 

RTtim

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Can anyone tell me if it is possible for the knock sensors to cause what I feel? It's probably just me but I wasn't paying attention when I put gas in my car the other day and I put 87 in instead of 91. Now the issue seams to be worse. ??? Might be coincidence so I thought I would ask.
 
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Nope. Even with the knock sensor codes set you will still have a running engine but with very conservative timing. This problem sure does sound like a boost leak, but that will set a code 34 and the MIL will flash. I didn't see anywhere in the thread that you checked for any codes. Obviously, you tried various things that would have set codes, such as no coolant sensor, but anything else set?

By the way, while 440s are fine for his power goals, that is not the reason why you need to install 550's. The idea is that the AFM and injectors needs to scale together in order to preserve the balance the ECU expects to see. With the Lexus AFM reading 25% lower than the stock AFM, you need to have injectors that inject 25% more fuel for the same pulsewidth to compensate.