Finally its kinda sorta coming together....
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Kind of... They're tryin to sort out the missing turbo issue as we speak.. Ben and I put together a list of the missing gaskets and random shit that the motor didnt come with and is supposed to be shipping those out by today or monday.. As of now thats all I got. So back to painting parts and maybe even the engine bay:naughty:
Looks good so far man!! good luck with the motor issue hope it all works out. Your exaughst is hot!!
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BJ Crifasi
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BJ Crifasi
Here are some pics from today and a few days ago.. My A.D.D. kicked in so i figured I would take some pictures... I'm not really in a huge rush anymore as i have yet to get the missing parts from hpf, so just cleaning and painting still.. Tell me what you guys think.. I'm open to suggestions on anything
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Thanks bud..jkbmkiii said:
Sorry I didnt call u, I was bombarded with shit from every other direction and never made time..
Ill be in CR tommorrow so if that bitch will fit in the civic with the seats down, then i can pick it up after im done workin..
call me I will be around after 5pm, I still have everything hooked up to the motor but with two pair of hands it wont take too long to get them apart!!!
That's really sad on the motor. Looks like you bought it from a bunch of chimps alright. You get what you pay for though, I tell people all the time that these "reconditioned" motors are crap, and that "inspected" just means the motor looked good so they shipped it to you. Installing ARP main studs is not really a good idea without checking the bearing clearances afterwards, and ARP rod bolts require resizing the rods after installation because they are pressed in. If they didn't pull the pan then they didn't surface the block for the mhg so the motor is totally useless at this point and I would demand a refund. I don't see how these shady business practices are allowed from the big vendors.
bigaaron said:
Wow i wish this info could've come to me sooner... Better late than never though and i thank you for enlightning me.. I myself thought about that a while ago, but don't know quite enough yet to be able to explain to horsepower freaks exactly what the problem is. Now I have a couple of questions for you.. Couldn't the block have checked for straightness before the gaskets' intallation? I know the head was machined, i can see it in a few places, but the block doesnt look like it was.. Would you say the motor is prone to blowing a HG still? I know its hard to say, but if i demand a refund, then im out a motor. And thats assuming HPF would give me a refund AND pay to ship the motor back..
Read up on a few threads about metal headgaskets and you'll notice one thing in common on all of 'em - they all mention machining the block. Not just for straightness either, but for smoothness as well. That's because the metal gaskets are not designed to deform and "squish" into the rough serface of a stock head/block.
Unlike a stock composite gasket, a metal one requires a much smoother surface in order to seal well. If your head was machined, that could have been to straighten it or to make it smoother. The same should have gone for the block.
You cannot machine a block without removing all the components from it first (pistons, rods, crank, etc). Well, I suppose you could do it with the stuff in it but it'd be a massive pain! What bigaaron's saying is that if the block wasn't disassembled like you're saying, the job's been done pretty much half way.
Now that doesn't mean it's definitely going to leak, but it's also not done in a way that most in the know would call "correct" either.
Unlike a stock composite gasket, a metal one requires a much smoother surface in order to seal well. If your head was machined, that could have been to straighten it or to make it smoother. The same should have gone for the block.
You cannot machine a block without removing all the components from it first (pistons, rods, crank, etc). Well, I suppose you could do it with the stuff in it but it'd be a massive pain! What bigaaron's saying is that if the block wasn't disassembled like you're saying, the job's been done pretty much half way.
Now that doesn't mean it's definitely going to leak, but it's also not done in a way that most in the know would call "correct" either.
Thanks mickyg,
I need more responses like yours and Biga's..
So what would you say is the best thing to tell horsepowerfreaks?? I mean, I should probably ask for some, if not all of my money back, however i dont want to have to find another motor and do all of this over.. would you say its a viable option to ask for all but whatever you would say the engine is worth, and then get a new headgasket, do the proper machine work, and have some peace of mind???
All of this has totally thrown my project off course and now im just kinda lost/overwhelmed as to what i should do.. Fuck I've even considered selling all my 7m shit off and goin 1jz.. I have nearly the same amount of money in the project and the fucker isn't even close to running..
Wow this is gay..:nono:
Thank you again though mickyg, i'd be lost and/or broken down somewhere if it wasn't for the knowledgeable, half way considerate people here on SM..
chris
I need more responses like yours and Biga's..
So what would you say is the best thing to tell horsepowerfreaks?? I mean, I should probably ask for some, if not all of my money back, however i dont want to have to find another motor and do all of this over.. would you say its a viable option to ask for all but whatever you would say the engine is worth, and then get a new headgasket, do the proper machine work, and have some peace of mind???
All of this has totally thrown my project off course and now im just kinda lost/overwhelmed as to what i should do.. Fuck I've even considered selling all my 7m shit off and goin 1jz.. I have nearly the same amount of money in the project and the fucker isn't even close to running..
Wow this is gay..:nono:
Thank you again though mickyg, i'd be lost and/or broken down somewhere if it wasn't for the knowledgeable, half way considerate people here on SM..
chris
mickyg said:
See, the thing is that rebuilding a shortblock (bottom end only) at a reputable shop, for a FULL rebuild done right, will run you in the neighborhood of $800-1000 in machine work alone. That's the only reason they sell those motors for the prices they do. Now you could just run it and see what happens, and if it blows then have them warranty it, but I've torn down many a "low mileage jdm 7m" and found most to have excessive bearing wear and oil rings frozen in the ring lands from carbon buildup, both of which are inexpensive to fix when the block is torn apart to do the surface for the hg.
From what I've heard from my own family and others, HPF is pretty reputable. I'd see this one through and let them take care of it. It sounds like they haven't finished yet and you should probably give them the benefit of the doubt until they do.
Now, for the more complicated part, you need to make sure they understand what your complaints are. They may think you're dissatisfied with the condition of the motor and missing parts. Make sure they are aware that that's not all of the story. I think you mentioned that part about the bottom end not having been inspected as advertised, but make sure you communicate the extent of what that means to you as the buyer (might have worn bearings, could have rod knock, piston ring condition, means the block surface isn't smooth enough, etc...). All those things need to be mentioned because you'll be the one that has to check them in the end. If the motor was sold as "ready to go" and it hasn't been inspected to prove that, the onus is on them.
Just a few thoughts on my end.
Now, for the more complicated part, you need to make sure they understand what your complaints are. They may think you're dissatisfied with the condition of the motor and missing parts. Make sure they are aware that that's not all of the story. I think you mentioned that part about the bottom end not having been inspected as advertised, but make sure you communicate the extent of what that means to you as the buyer (might have worn bearings, could have rod knock, piston ring condition, means the block surface isn't smooth enough, etc...). All those things need to be mentioned because you'll be the one that has to check them in the end. If the motor was sold as "ready to go" and it hasn't been inspected to prove that, the onus is on them.
Just a few thoughts on my end.
mickyg said:From what I've heard from my own family and others, HPF is pretty reputable. I'd see this one through and let them take care of it. It sounds like they haven't finished yet and you should probably give them the benefit of the doubt until they do.
Now, for the more complicated part, you need to make sure they understand what your complaints are. They may think you're dissatisfied with the condition of the motor and missing parts. Make sure they are aware that that's not all of the story. I think you mentioned that part about the bottom end not having been inspected as advertised, but make sure you communicate the extent of what that means to you as the buyer (might have worn bearings, could have rod knock, piston ring condition, means the block surface isn't smooth enough, etc...). All those things need to be mentioned because you'll be the one that has to check them in the end. If the motor was sold as "ready to go" and it hasn't been inspected to prove that, the onus is on them.
Just a few thoughts on my end.
Thanks man, any and all advice is appreciated..
I absolutely mentioned every detail I could think of in that respect, and after making them realize the full extent of my dissatisfaction and worry for the true condition of the motor, they agreed to have the motor picked up and all of my money refunded. Now I just need to schedule a day for pick up, load in on a pallot, and send her off(not before getting my money of course)! If at any point I made it seem like I was burning HPF, I apologize. I have spent alot of money with them prior to ordering this motor and have had no problems... HPF is an awesome company and I plan on buyin more parts from them.. Josh was very helpful with everything and is now helping me arrange pickup of the motor.. Too bad I painted it already...
So the direction of this build has changed entirely.. I will be finding another used block, having the proper machine work done, MHG naturally, adding forged pistons and possibly rods, ARP's throughout, Big turbo (not sure which one yet), MAF-T pro, RC 550's, FPR, Walbro... Any tricks I can do with this motor while the machine work is being done but that isn't too expensive? I plan to take my time, hope to have it goin by spring at the latest lol...
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Ya and it all happened fairly quick after I asked for the refund... Now I just need to put together a new parts list!