Buy a brand new Mines ECU, or send yours off

[OneJoeZee]

"Millions of dollars in developement" that still rolled out of production with a lean spot on the OBD1 ECUs between 4,000-4,500 rpm (USDM 2J). Just using this as an example that even Toyota doesnt get the code done right all the time. The base tune is thrown out the window when it is modified with the Mines. I see this as merely a flashed eprom piggyback that is manipulating the timing and fuel curve. What if your injectors are not flowing to Mines calculation? Are you gonna have to run a piggyback to make corrections? With a standalone, you are in control of all variables in real time for your setup.

+1 on that example of OBD1 lean spot. You're so right. So much for Toyota's millions of dollars in development huh? A stock ECU is best, for a stock car... Once you start modding, you have to add piggy backs and other electronics to supplement or fool the stock ECU to make the car run as efficiently as possible(BCC, FCD, AFC, VPC, etc etc). You can't even boost over 1 bar without modifying the stock ECU in some way. Even then, I'd be willing to bet a properly tuned standalone could extract more peak power, power under the curve, AND MPG than any stock ECU could and cost around the same price range.

It'll be a frosty day in hell before I take my car down for 4 weeks to get a reflash stock ECU or pay 1800 for one.

And just for the record, I have a Mine's ECU(it didn't cost 1800 either) in my car, so it's not like I'm saying it's worthless. It's great for what it is. But to think it's better or more effective than a standalone would be silly.

 

[AF1JZ]

Damn guys....Ric is merely offereing a service like CK said. If you don't like the price, don't comment. I'm sure there are some people out there that would love to just plug in a tuned ECU and don't have to worry about tuning their car. I personally wouldn't have the time to do that. Yea, the price is steep. But, if someone wants to spend $1800, fucking let them.

Everyone gets so bent out of shape at everything that Ric posts. WTF is up with that lately? Grow up guys. Remember what happened recently with JetJock and Mattjk?

 

[Burntz]

ya forreals, he just posted somethin up. Its not his product, and his opinions might be different from yours. oh well.

 

[tissimo]

Damn guys....Ric is merely offereing a service like CK said. If you don't like the price, don't comment. I'm sure there are some people out there that would love to just plug in a tuned ECU and don't have to worry about tuning their car. I personally wouldn't have the time to do that. Yea, the price is steep. But, if someone wants to spend $1800, fucking let them.

Everyone gets so bent out of shape at everything that Ric posts. WTF is up with that lately? Grow up guys. Remember what happened recently with JetJock and Mattjk?

its not a FS thread.. so discusion is open in my opinion..

 

[csnow]

I am not bent out of shape. But this is in an open forum where people can post their comments. He is not partners with Manitec and if it is a product then move it to the vendor section. I don't post my comments about products in a vendor section because that is their place of business. I highly doubt this is even worthy of mentioning a ban like mattjk. Give me a break. I agree that there may be some people that would benifit from this, but I think we can openly discuss the pros and cons. I dont think Ric feels like he is being attacked. There are plenty of other threads where that is happening

 

[The Reaper]

^^^ word up to that.

dont want opinions dont post

 

[AF1JZ]

I highly doubt this is even worthy of mentioning a ban like mattjk. Give me a break.

I'm not saying a ban. Just the general concept of what happened. Anyway, my bad. Didn't realize where the thread was located. It just seems like a bashing contest all the time now.

 

[OneJSupra]

Can they tune the stock ecu to run with big injectors and big turbos, like 650cc+ ?

Ric, in the same question with BIC, when you send your stock ecu for an upgrade what specs are the upgrade in relation to what type of performance you can install to maximize that upgrade and is it going to be a true plug and play where there will be no tuning involve. I have another stock ECU that works so I am interested.

 

[Ric]

My car is a daily driver with cold a/c, cruise control, everything else you could ever want in a car. I put the key in, start the car, and drive wherever, whenever, any weather, any kind of traffic condition. If i need gas, i put some in. I change my oil every 3k miles. The hood never gets lifted unless someone ask's at a car meet. I average nearly 25mpg and make over 400whp 93 octane.

Please tell me why I would want to switch to a stand alone, where i'd have to carry a laptop with me everywhere to adjust the settings? For what, a 20whp gain in power?

I don't see a single benefit on a street car. Anyone from the age of 16 years old to 100 years old can drive my car without any prior instruction compared to any other car across the country if they wished. Please tell me the benefits of a stand alone compared to that.

 

[csnow]

They should be able to. The G-Force ECUs were able to do large injectors and such. I would be very interested in this if it were in the $700-$850 range. I was just stating that at the given cost, standalone makes more sense.

 

[Ric]

I don't have full details on the Mines, but if it's like my SARD... you tell them what you have, and they do the rest.

 

[csnow]

My car is a daily driver with cold a/c, cruise control, everything else you could ever want in a car. I put the key in, start the car, and drive wherever, whenever, any weather, any kind of traffic condition. If i need gas, i put some in. I change my oil every 3k miles. The hood never gets lifted unless someone ask's at a car meet. I average nearly 25mpg and make over 400whp 93 octane.

Please tell me why I would want to switch to a stand alone, where i'd have to carry a laptop with me everywhere to adjust the settings? For what, a 20whp gain in power?

I don't see a single benefit on a street car. Anyone from the age of 16 years old to 100 years old can drive my car without any prior instruction compared to any other car across the country if they wished. Please tell me the benefits of a stand alone compared to that.

Under the above conditions, why would you want to spend $1700 on a Mines when a $350 emanage blue will work fine? I went back and forth with the piggyback vs standalone setup but I need at least 680cc injectors with a 67mm on a 2J. The 1J ECU will have timing completely jacked trying to pull that much fuel out on large injectors at idle. Guy here in Melbourne just toasted his 1J because he was running to large of an injector which caused timing issues. I looked at running a MKIV USDM harness with a OBD1 ECU but then you have the VPC, the emanage to correct the lean issue, BCC, SCC, which ends up with a rats nest of wiring and a cost of only a $100 or so less than an AEM. Like I said, if this were $700-$850 I would be all over it. But at $1700, a standalone is the best option for me.

Chris

 

[OneJoeZee]

its not a FS thread.. so discusion is open in my opinion..

Exactly. This isn't a for sale thread. It's a discussion and we are welcome to throw in our 2 cents about the price, it's value, or whatever.

 

[Ric]

Emanage blue? LOL. That's the cheapest way to make zero whp and to blow a motor.

At least with an SAFC2 people on 1JZ's have dyno'd over 500whp. Any other piggy back is trash on a 1JZ except MAP ECU (2).

 

[OneJoeZee]

Under the above conditions, why would you want to spend $1700 on a Mines when a $350 emanage blue will work fine? I went back and forth with the piggyback vs standalone but I need at least 680cc injectors with a 67mm on a 2J. The 1J ECU will have timing completely jacked trying to pull that much fuel out on large injectors at idle. Guy here in Melbourne just toasted his 1J because he was running to large of an injector which caused timing issues. I looked at running a MKIV USDM harness with a OBD1 ECU but then you have the VPC, the emanage to correct the lean issue, BCC, SCC, which ends up with a rats nest of wiring and a cost of only a $100 or so less than an AEM. Like I said, if this were $700-$850 I would be all over it. But at $1700, a standalone is the best option for me.

Chris

Man, you're on point today. Another +1 here.

1300/1800 simply isn't cost effective for a Mine's ECU when you can do much more with a standalone around the same price.

 

[Ric]

Show me a stand alone that I can plug in and drive without touching a thing.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Emanage blue? LOL. That's the cheapest way to make zero whp and to blow a motor.

At least with an SAFC2 people on 1JZ's have dyno'd over 500whp. Any other piggy back is trash on a 1JZ except MAP ECU (2).

Ok, so if people are making power like that with AFCs, then where is the need for 1800 dollar Mine's ECU at all?

We can keep tap dancing around all these other peripheral points all day but the bottom line is you can get alot more for your dollar and time with 1300/1800 than a reflashed stock ECU.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Show me a stand alone that I can plug in and drive without touching a thing.

Why would you even ask such a nonsensical question?:stickpoke

Obviously a standalone is going to require a tune before it performs at an optimal level for your car and setup. And if the tune is sufficient and effective, it shouldn't require adjustment after the fact unless you change something.

 

[csnow]

Emanage blue? LOL. That's the cheapest way to make zero whp and to blow a motor.

At least with an SAFC2 people on 1JZ's have dyno'd over 500whp. Any other piggy back is trash on a 1JZ except MAP ECU (2).

There are alot of people running the emanage and to say a SAFC2 is better is retarded.

 

[tissimo]

Emanage blue? LOL. That's the cheapest way to make zero whp and to blow a motor.

At least with an SAFC2 people on 1JZ's have dyno'd over 500whp. Any other piggy back is trash on a 1JZ except MAP ECU (2).

:rofl: I wish search worked on SF where you were saying the same thing about the afc on the 1j..

They do the same thing, how are they any different?