Blockoff Plate Interest?

[jawsgear]

My concern doesnt lie with my loyalty to Duane... As good of a friend as he is of mine, free market is free market... But my problem is with someone BLATANTLY taking someone else's design, "laser cut" copying it and calling it their own and PROFITING off of it... If you want to spend the money in research and development, test fitting and trial & error, then that's fine... But to take someone's design and copy it, that's the problem I have...

I have a Ron R front face intake, I think I'll just copy his design, sell it for less and screw Ron, blah, I can sleep at night... right?

There are other guys that sell FFI's, BUT, they are THIER designs, not blatant rip offs of Ron's design...

Anyway, that's just MY opinion, and that's all I have to say about it... You'll sell them, people will buy them, but if you dont design them, they arent yours, and changing the name still wont make them your design, and making a different mounting system wont make this an original idea... In my opinion, Jaws Gears should stick to what it does best, making gears: making drive train components second to none... Why do you care about making, what, $40-50 a sale on a stupid "block off plate" when you know what kind of tension and animosity its going to cause... Is there nothing else Jaws Gears can do for this community in its vast resouces and technical skills than to make a piece that someone else already offers? Be innovative, that's all Im saying... If you're company is going to stray from drive train, do something that hasnt been done... Dont copy something or someone... Especially someone that you've made clear you have an issue with... It almost looks like you're doing this intentionally... to specifically hurt someones business...

Anyway, like I said, this is my opinion... And once again, as much as Duane is my friend, to be honest with you, I wouldnt care if it was Joe Shmoe, I'd still feel the same way...

Jake

I really don't know if I have to defend myself in this issue, but here is my .02. I have paid my developer to take the dimesnions from the car and do a full size CAD 3 dimensional drawing. I have contacted water jet cutting manufactures and laser cut manufactures that I deal with for existing parts that we have had machined for our shop already. I have personally invested $300.00 of my own money for the CAD drawing and upfronting the cost of the initial order to produce this piece.

As far as selling it for less we are talking about an entirely different material. What would you like me to do? Sell it for more and rip everyone off? Come on man this is business, if you can't understand that then I don't know what to say.

As far as drivetrain parts, yeah we are good with gears, driveshafts, and misc items but does this mean we are ignorat when it comes to other areas of cars, I don't think so.

Our goal is to help people in the Supra community any way we can, so if we come up with different ideas and projects we will ALWAYS share our ideas.

Jeff

 

[Reign_Maker]

Jeff, you dont have to defend yourself, not to me anyway, it's just my views, my opinions... We all know capitalism and free trade/market work... Its what separates us from totalitarian regimes and failing third world nations... Good luck in your venture... Seriously... I hope you do well... I dont wish failure on anyone... Good luck...

 

[jawsgear]

Jeff, you dont have to defend yourself, not to me anyway, it's just my views, my opinions... We all know capitalism and free trade/market work... Its what separates us from totalitarian regimes and failing third world nations... Good luck in your venture... Seriously... I hope you do well... I dont wish failure on anyone... Good luck...

Thanks.

 

[SD2JZA70]

As I recall, someone with Duane's CF plate took it to a shop and it was just laser cut to match. QUOTE]

I just have a serious problem with that... :icon_evil

You do realize that you just went off on the wrong guy right? Jawsgear never said they took duanes and had it copied and had it laser cut. It was the group of people who had copies made in stainless for themselves. Dont get your panties in such a bunch, Im sure duane isnt going to go out of buisness over competition in the cut throat world of IC blockoff plates. This just gives an alternative to those that wanted an aluminum one. I think its great that they are making these but with that said I will still be buying a CF one just because Im a carbon fiber junky :naughty:

 

[Reign_Maker]

As I recall, someone with Duane's CF plate took it to a shop and it was just laser cut to match. QUOTE]

You do realize that you just went off on the wrong guy right? Jawsgear never said they took duanes and had it copied and had it laser cut. It was the group of people who had copies made in stainless for themselves. Dont get your panties in such a bunch, Im sure duane isnt going to go out of buisness over competition in the cut throat world of IC blockoff plates. This just gives an alternative to those that wanted an aluminum one. I think its great that they are making these but with that said I will still be buying a CF one just because Im a carbon fiber junky :naughty:

You know how to read? Please, go back and re-read this thread...

I had problem with the guys copying Duane's design... JawsGear's commented, and I commented to what JAWSGEAR said... I never said JG copied Duane's design... I never said JG cut a piece using Duane's block off plate... And as a matter of fact, I never "went off" on anyone, or got my "panties" in a wad... If having an opinion, or two cents, is "going off with panties ina wad", then yeah, I guess I have my panties in a wad... :3d_frown:

 

[NJsupraA70]

Hey guys keep in mind Duane coined the term "block off plate" for this item like 5 years ago. Its pretty sad that Jawsgear not only copied one of his units and is now trying to offer them to us in aluminum, but the fact that they are making threads on SF bashing Duane. Jawsgear also screwed Duane on some other stuff that I wont even get into right now at this moment... :nono: .

Duane is an authorized vendor here, and Jawsgear is not. Why should Jawsgear be allowed to have group buys on products, when they are not only copying the design of a paid vendor(Duane), but also starting meaningless threads trying to hurt his reputation. I think too many of you are forgetting how important Duane is to this community... I personally would not do any business with Jawsgear.

- Steve

 

[bgrieger]

If the metal one was made by Duane, I would have purchased from him years back. Since it wasn't, 4 friends that wanted them locally had them made. None of us were making any profit, and there is no intention of selling them. I fail to see the problem.

 

[SD2JZA70]

My concern doesnt lie with my loyalty to Duane... As good of a friend as he is of mine, free market is free market... But my problem is with someone BLATANTLY taking someone else's design, "laser cut" copying it and calling it their own and PROFITING off of it... If you want to spend the money in research and development, test fitting and trial & error, then that's fine... But to take someone's design and copy it, that's the problem I have...

I have a Ron R front face intake, I think I'll just copy his design, sell it for less and screw Ron, blah, I can sleep at night... right?

There are other guys that sell FFI's, BUT, they are THIER designs, not blatant rip offs of Ron's design...

Anyway, that's just MY opinion, and that's all I have to say about it... You'll sell them, people will buy them, but if you dont design them, they arent yours, and changing the name still wont make them your design, and making a different mounting system wont make this an original idea... In my opinion, Jaws Gears should stick to what it does best, making gears: making drive train components second to none... Why do you care about making, what, $40-50 a sale on a stupid "block off plate" when you know what kind of tension and animosity its going to cause... Is there nothing else Jaws Gears can do for this community in its vast resouces and technical skills than to make a piece that someone else already offers? Be innovative, that's all Im saying... If you're company is going to stray from drive train, do something that hasnt been done... Dont copy something or someone... Especially someone that you've made clear you have an issue with... It almost looks like you're doing this intentionally... to specifically hurt someones business...

Anyway, like I said, this is my opinion... And once again, as much as Duane is my friend, to be honest with you, I wouldnt care if it was Joe Shmoe, I'd still feel the same way...

Jake

Here go ahead and reread this post that you wrote. since you seem to have a problem with "copying" parts you do realize that these blockoff plates were available in aluminum long before duane ever made a carbon fiber one. I dont see you complaining about the fact that he "copied" that design and made them out of carbon fiber. Its a pretty simple part really. there isnt to much you can do to revolutionize the design, just be happy that there is another alternative part for our cars. I doubt Duane will lose any sales over this because the people that want it in carbon ( like myself) will still buy it from him. You seem to get worked up pretty easily. I suggest you crack a cold beer and relax.

 

[outofstep]

Hey guys keep in mind Duane coined the term "block off plate" for this item like 5 years ago.

Your history sucks...

 

[SD2JZA70]

Hey guys keep in mind Duane coined the term "block off plate" for this item like 5 years ago. Its pretty sad that Jawsgear not only copied one of his units and is now trying to offer them to us in aluminum, but the fact that they are making threads on SF bashing Duane. :nono: .

In addition Duane is an authorized vendor here, and Jawsgear is not. Why should Jawsgear be allowed to have group buys on products, when they are not only copying the design of a paid vendor(Duane), but also starting meaningless threads trying to hurt his reputation? That is not fair! I think too many of you are forgetting how important Duane is to this community... I personally would not do any business with Jawsgear.

- Steve

Im not in any way knocking Duane on this but honestly what the hell does him coining the term " blockoff plate" have to do with anything. Would it help if he called it an intercooler air guide, oh wait ARC already calls theirs that. I wonder what YSR called theirs for the MK3.

 

[born2drv]

Having read that thread on SF I have to say I am very dissapointed in the way this was all played out.

 

[Reign_Maker]

You seem to get worked up pretty easily. I suggest you crack a cold beer and relax.

Seriously... Im more tired than worked up... I dunno what kind of mellow mushroom planet you live on, but if you consider that statement a "worked up" statement, I'd hate to see how you react when people really get upset... I know what I wrote, trust me, I re-read it about ten times before I posted it...

Look at me now, Im all pissed off and ggrrrrrr angry... I need to go smash something... grrr, hulk smash! grrr!

lol... I guess I need to start littering my threads with smiley faces and shit so people dont think Im so angry... um, worked up... :biglaugh:
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[SD2JZA70]

Its cool man. sometimes its hard to tell since you cant type a tone of voice. As far as the copying issue goes lets not forget that the CFX wasnt the first block off plate nor should it be the last.

 

[Reign_Maker]

It's cool... We're cool...

I've stated my opinion, and that's all I gotta say about that... I hope this doesnt turn into a flame fest... Lets all just crack a cold one and chill... lol...

 

[born2drv]

hey SD I seen one just like that on ebay like 4-5 mo ago.... I should have bid on it... where did you get yours?

 

[SD2JZA70]

I just put that pick up from the YSR website to show that they have had one long before the CFX one because the issue of jaws copying makes no sense when YSR made it first. I personally am going to buy a CFX one but im glad to see another new product out for the MK3. Its also nice to see one in aluminum which many people would like instead of the carbon.

 

[jawsgear]

Having read that thread on SF I have to say I am very dissapointed in the way this was all played out.

It's one thing to copy someone's design.... reverse engineer. It's another to stamp out duplicates of someone elses product just in a different material.... and free trade, etc, etc, aside, I am very proud of Duane's accomplishments even though I'm fairly new around here... If we're talking about dollars and cold hard economics, what about all the investment Duane has made into our community, the recognition and respect he has brought with it? Those are hard figures to ignore.

Furthermore, I just don't see how a legitimate business owner can drag another business owner through the mud in a public forum. Even if they deserved it (and that of course is not for us to judge) it is just not a very professional thing to do, especially when this member is such a pillar of the community.

So I'd rather not get the jawsgear block-off plate, I'm sorry. I'd rather get a CF one and have it chromed or something then buy a knock-off and support a vendor which is destructive to the community. Just my 2c.

Not to be sarcastic but you really do not have all the details on what went on between Duane and Jaw's Gear. This issue has been settled, DUANE appologized and we have since moved forward. No reason for you to drag that into this thread. This thread is simply about if anyone is interested in an alternative style of IC Cover, blockoff Plate, whatever you want to call it, it is as simple as that.

Sample is being cut and polished at the beginning of the week. Buy it, don't buy it. It's not going to break the bank.

Once again, as we strive to build our cars into something that is reputable and hopefully will be admired for our efforts I don't see why we have to get bashed on for wanting to make improvements on drivetrain or any other parts for the MKIII Supra.

Thanks for all the support, especially for the guy that has bought other items with the acception of the few guys and Dr Jones who gave a whopping $24.00 to test out things like an OBX Posi, Is producing a Full Spool, Making one piece driveshafts, manufacturing a driveline loop, and MANY other items in which case has not been released yet.

Thanks!!!!!!

Jeff

 

[jawsgear]

It's one thing to copy someone's design.... reverse engineer. It's another to stamp out duplicates of someone elses product just in a different material.... and free trade, etc, etc, aside, I am very proud of Duane's accomplishments even though I'm fairly new around here... If we're talking about dollars and cold hard economics.

Oh by the way, you probably missed this part of the precious post. Here is a copy:

I have paid my developer to take the dimesnions from the car(MY CAR!!!!!!!) and do a full size CAD 3 dimensional drawing. I have contacted water jet cutting manufactures and laser cut manufactures that I deal with for existing parts that we have had machined for our shop already. I have personally invested $300.00 of my own money for the CAD drawing and upfronting the cost of the initial order to produce this piece.

 

[lanky189]

the design of a paid vendor(Duane),
- Steve

Correction....there are NO paid vendors...this site has NO paid vendors at all.

 

[born2drv]

I have paid my developer to take the dimesnions from the car(MY CAR!!!!!!!) and do a full size CAD 3 dimensional drawing. I have contacted water jet cutting manufactures and laser cut manufactures that I deal with for existing parts that we have had machined for our shop already. I have personally invested $300.00 of my own money for the CAD drawing and upfronting the cost of the initial order to produce this piece.

I dunno man... if that's the case Why did you need his block off plate to come up with your design? You can say you hired Moses to take it Mount Sinai and God carved it out for him with a bolt of lightning.... but I'm sure having Duane's part in your hands helped you tremendously.

It's really not even about that anyways.

You don't launch a product towards a community, and launch an attach on one of the most prominent members of it's community at the same time. That just makes poor sense, especially business-wise. Being business owner myself I would never do such a thing.

Just my 2c.