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cuel

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You measure them, look for pulled threads. Like I said earlier, I torqued them to 70 ft. lbs., which they will handle easily. It's N/A, not a 500 hp. turbo build....

This car doesn't use TTY bolts. All the cars I've worked on that do, use a different torque sequence. It will be something like 20 ft. lbs., 35 ft. lbs., then 90 degrees. The 90 degree step sets them to their yield point. None of the bolts are torqued to exactly the same ft. lbs. by turning them "X" degrees, they're all gonna be slightly different.
Also, if you pay attention when your torquing the bolts down, you'll notice if one is weak, it'll feel different. It's hard to explain, but you can feel the difference between a solid bolt, and one that is twisting, or stripping out the hole. Guess it just comes down to experience....

By the way, these have to be the heaviest bolts I've ever seen for being torqued to such a low spec. 58 ft. lbs. isn't very much. Most vehicles use at least 65 ft. lbs., and some use much more. These bolts are pretty thick, and short. If you twist or break one, you've either way over torqued it(bye bye head), or the motor has been extremely over heated(bye bye motor).

Most mechanics I know(even the well educated, ASE Certified) reuse head bolts all the time. There's only certain vehicles it shouldn't be done on. I think Ford's Power Stroke uses close to 200 ft. lbs. on the head bolts, and shouldn't be reused. They have a CR of around 30:1, and most of the programmers bump the boost up to 28+ psi. That's a lot of pressure on those bolts.

I think there's a few specific reason's people have problem's with hg's they put on.
1. They don't clean out the bolt holes in the block. If there is any water, oil, or trash in there, it will give you an inaccurate torque, and the bolt won't seat correctly.
2. They don't follow the correct tightening sequence. You start from the middle, and work your way out to the ends.
3. They don't know how to use a torque wrench correctly. You have to reach the correct torque while the bolt is moving. This means you have to plan that last turn so that you don't run out of room before you reach the correct ft. lbs. It takes more torque to start the bolt moving then it does to continue turning it.
4. They try to do it cheap, and don't get the head checked and milled. If it overheated, the head warped. Period. Take it to the machine shop, and get it fixed. You can check it if you want, but if you don't have a machinists straight edge, you won't get an accurate reading. No, the carpenter's level you have leaning in the corner won't work. You MUST use the right tools for the right job.
 

Kckazdude

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What has been perpetuated on this forum about not re-using head bolts is information on torque to yeild (TTY) bolts. The TTY bolts should never be re-used as problems can, and usually do, occur. TTY bolts were an effort by the various manufaturers to cut costs. The bolts are cheaper for them to purchase and they can resell them for years after the car is sold. (Thats my conspiracy theory for the day.)

As cuel has stated follow the recomended steps and torque to a proper levels and your are good to go on a stock motor.
 

cuel

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. Felpro makes head bolts for most applications that meet or exceed manufacturers specifications. Not sure if they do for the Supra, but your local parts store will be able to get them if they do. Not as good as ARP, but they'll be cheaper than the dealer, and just as good for a stock use.
Just in case you're worried about it, but can't afford the ARP bolts...
 

iwannadie

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All good info, seems like it would be fine to reuse the bolts then...

I for one just shelled out the money for arp studs when I did my bhg. I know its a stock na motor making no power but 100 bucks is a drop in the supra bucket ;)
 

wchico15

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im going to be taking my head to get milled and hopefully cleaned. cuel: im going to do everything that you stated in your steps espcially cleaning the bolt holes.very good info guys. thanks alot
 

iwannadie

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wchico15 said:
im going to be taking my head to get milled and hopefully cleaned. cuel: im going to do everything that you stated in your steps espcially cleaning the bolt holes.very good info guys. thanks alot

Use foam ear plugs in the bolt holse, you still need to clean the holes but the plugs help them from filling up with fluid and more junk....
 

wchico15

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im seriously thinking of going na-t. using turbo electronics. my goals would be at least 250rwhp. i just want something that is fast but at the same time a daily driver. right now im in the middle of a BHG job so it would be a great start. you think a oem head gasket from toyota would be able to handle the boost? i wont be pushing the engine hard alot of times. just an occasional race here and there kinda of thing. i've read up on the na-t thread and the different ways of going turbo and all that good stuff. in this case would it be nesessary for new head bolts?
 

cuel

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I'd seriously consider doing more than a head gasket and new bolts if I was going to put forced induction on an n/a. Especially if I was half way in the motor already.
 

Frank Rizzo

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Whatever bolts you use, make sure to use a good quality moly lube on the bolts. ARP makes one of the best moly lubes.

Make sure block threads are spotless and you use moly on the bolts, ship it!
 

cuel

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Well, you're halfway to having the motor out. Might finish pulling it, change to a gte oil pump, freshen up the bearings, maybe get some balancing work done. Or do it up right, and get some forged rods and pistons in there. Deck milled to spec for an mls hg, and upgrade the head bolts. You'll want to upgrade again later, might as well have the bottom end strong enough to stand up to what ever you throw at it...
 

Frank Rizzo

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Yeah me too, LOL.

I just noticed the pic of the stock head bolts all mixed together, well you can scrap that idea of reusing them, they should be reinstalled into the same holes they came out of. Unless you have super natural memory and know where they go......
 

wchico15

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atleast you guys are being real. the bolts are actually in order thats why there lined up like that.....
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Sorry Frank. I should have put a smiley there. I was referring to your habit of buying only the best (new afm, ect) but it really doesn't matter where the bolts go. I just didn't want the guy to get the wrong idea. No low blow intended.
 

wchico15

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this shit is annoying. i just got the compressor tool from discount auto and i was able to take off two of the valve spring assemblies. i just cant take out the valve stem seals. i've been trying to use needle nose pliers but i just cant get it to come out. any tips?